General Motors Corporation mi date un consiglio????
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generali1984
Forumer storico
291 Mld di debito
se fosse un cavallo lo avrebbero già abbatuto !
è venerdì sera , ti faccio un raffronto tecnico
fiat era una verginella e questa una battona oltre le 50 primavere
scusa le battute ma gm mi sta sui marones
e comunque per essere la nuova fiat mancherebbe il solito adc lacrime e sangue
magari nel 2009
se fosse un cavallo lo avrebbero già abbatuto !
è venerdì sera , ti faccio un raffronto tecnico
fiat era una verginella e questa una battona oltre le 50 primavere
scusa le battute ma gm mi sta sui marones
e comunque per essere la nuova fiat mancherebbe il solito adc lacrime e sangue
magari nel 2009
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aldebaran
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GM, Chrysler in merger talks: source
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DETROIT/NEW YORK (Reuters) - General Motors has had talks with smaller rival Chrysler LLC about a merger that would combine the No. 1 and No. 3 American automakers at a time when both are struggling to cut costs and shore up cash, according to a source briefed on the matter.
Separately, Ford Motor Co, plans to sell its shares from its controlling stake in Japan's Mazda Motor Co, a second source said.
Finally, Barron's reported that GM was preparing to approach the U.S. Federal Reserve about borrowing money from the central bank's discount window because of the logjam in credit markets that has shut it out of other kinds of borrowing.
The moves come as all three Detroit-based automakers are struggling with a plunge in U.S. sales to 15-year lows and facing tough questions from investors and creditors about whether they have the cash to ride out a deepening downturn.
Representatives of Cerberus Capital Management, the private equity firm that owns an 80.1-percent stake in Chrysler, were not immediately available for comment.
Chrysler and GM declined comment. Ford representatives could also not be immediately reached.
Cerberus is also in exploratory talks with other parties, including Renault-Nissan, to sell Chrysler, the source said.
But any deal would hinge on the completion of the sale of Daimler AG's remaining 19.9-percent stake in Chrysler to Cerberus, the source said. Cerberus last month said it had approached Daimler to buy that remaining stake.
aldebaran
Banned
Reports: Chrysler, GM discuss merger, acquisition
Associated Press 10.11.08, 1:53 AM ET
General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have held preliminary talks about a merger or an acquisition of Chrysler by GM, according to published reports Saturday.
The Wall Street Journal, citing people it described as familiar with the discussions, said Cerberus Capital Management, the private equity firm that owns 80.1 percent of Chrysler and 51 percent of GMAC (nyse: GJM - news - people ) Financial Services, proposed trading Chrysler's automotive operations to GM. The Journal said Cerberus would receive GM's remaining 49 percent stake in GMAC.
The New York Times, also citing people familiar with the talks, said the automakers were discussing a merger. The Times did not mention GMAC, a traditional auto lender hit hard by the housing market downturn.
The talks have stalled because of the recent turmoil in the financial markets, according to the Journal. Its sources said negotiations could resume if markets stabilize because both GM and Cerberus want to quickly divest the assets under discussion.
The negotiations between 100-year-old GM and 83-year-old Chrysler began more than a month ago, according to the Times. Its sources said the chances of a merger were "50-50" as of Friday and likely would take weeks to complete.
Both newspapers posted their stories on their Web sites late Friday.
"Without referencing this specific rumor, as we've often said, GM officials routinely discuss issues of mutual interest with other automakers," GM spokesman Tony Cervone said.
"The company is looking at a number of potential global partnerships as it explores growth opportunities around the world," Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said. "Beyond those partnerships already announced however, Chrysler has not formed any new agreements and has no further announcements to make at this time."
Associated Press 10.11.08, 1:53 AM ET
General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have held preliminary talks about a merger or an acquisition of Chrysler by GM, according to published reports Saturday.
The Wall Street Journal, citing people it described as familiar with the discussions, said Cerberus Capital Management, the private equity firm that owns 80.1 percent of Chrysler and 51 percent of GMAC (nyse: GJM - news - people ) Financial Services, proposed trading Chrysler's automotive operations to GM. The Journal said Cerberus would receive GM's remaining 49 percent stake in GMAC.
The New York Times, also citing people familiar with the talks, said the automakers were discussing a merger. The Times did not mention GMAC, a traditional auto lender hit hard by the housing market downturn.
The talks have stalled because of the recent turmoil in the financial markets, according to the Journal. Its sources said negotiations could resume if markets stabilize because both GM and Cerberus want to quickly divest the assets under discussion.
The negotiations between 100-year-old GM and 83-year-old Chrysler began more than a month ago, according to the Times. Its sources said the chances of a merger were "50-50" as of Friday and likely would take weeks to complete.
Both newspapers posted their stories on their Web sites late Friday.
"Without referencing this specific rumor, as we've often said, GM officials routinely discuss issues of mutual interest with other automakers," GM spokesman Tony Cervone said.
"The company is looking at a number of potential global partnerships as it explores growth opportunities around the world," Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said. "Beyond those partnerships already announced however, Chrysler has not formed any new agreements and has no further announcements to make at this time."
risparmier
Forumer storico
Running on fumes: GM could soon run out of cash
November 7, 2008 5:13 p.m. PT
DETROIT -- The American auto industry is running on fumes.
General Motors, the nation's largest automaker, warned Friday that it may run out of money by the end of the year after piling up billions in third-quarter losses and burning through cash at an alarming rate. Ford sustained heavy losses, too.
The situation is so severe, GM has suspended talks to acquire Chrysler and is appealing to the government for help as the slumping economy drags cars sales to their lowest level in a quarter century.
GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner said the company will "take every action" possible to avoid bankruptcy.
"We're convinced that the consequences of bankruptcy would be dire," he said, adding that the company would use every source of potential funding. "We need to find a way to get through this, and that's really our focus," he said.
GM also planned more job cuts, including another 5,500 salaried and factory workers. But company officials cautioned that those measures alone would not be enough and that federal aid is essential.
Ford saw its cash supply decline rapidly and announced its own job cuts Friday. But it's in better shape because the company borrowed billions of dollars in 2007 by mortgaging its factories. The Dearborn-based manufacturer said it had enough cash to make it through 2010.
Friday's events called into question the future of Detroit's three automakers and heightened pressure on the government to take action.
President-elect Barack Obama on Friday indicated that help may be on the way. At a Chicago news conference, he said Congress must pass an economic stimulus measure either before or just after he takes office in January, and he mentioned aid for the auto industry.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_earns_autos.html?source=mypi
GM , un' azienda decotta, non competitiva, che può sopravvivere solo grazie ad aiuti di stato.
Forse senza gli aiuti statali gli USA, come la Gran Bretagna si troverebbero senza case automobilstiche proprie.
La soluzione di Obama potrebbe essere di "rubare" soldi alle compagnie petrolifere per regalarli alle case automobilistiche.
November 7, 2008 5:13 p.m. PT
DETROIT -- The American auto industry is running on fumes.
General Motors, the nation's largest automaker, warned Friday that it may run out of money by the end of the year after piling up billions in third-quarter losses and burning through cash at an alarming rate. Ford sustained heavy losses, too.
The situation is so severe, GM has suspended talks to acquire Chrysler and is appealing to the government for help as the slumping economy drags cars sales to their lowest level in a quarter century.
GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner said the company will "take every action" possible to avoid bankruptcy.
"We're convinced that the consequences of bankruptcy would be dire," he said, adding that the company would use every source of potential funding. "We need to find a way to get through this, and that's really our focus," he said.
GM also planned more job cuts, including another 5,500 salaried and factory workers. But company officials cautioned that those measures alone would not be enough and that federal aid is essential.
Ford saw its cash supply decline rapidly and announced its own job cuts Friday. But it's in better shape because the company borrowed billions of dollars in 2007 by mortgaging its factories. The Dearborn-based manufacturer said it had enough cash to make it through 2010.
Friday's events called into question the future of Detroit's three automakers and heightened pressure on the government to take action.
President-elect Barack Obama on Friday indicated that help may be on the way. At a Chicago news conference, he said Congress must pass an economic stimulus measure either before or just after he takes office in January, and he mentioned aid for the auto industry.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_earns_autos.html?source=mypi
GM , un' azienda decotta, non competitiva, che può sopravvivere solo grazie ad aiuti di stato.
Forse senza gli aiuti statali gli USA, come la Gran Bretagna si troverebbero senza case automobilstiche proprie.
La soluzione di Obama potrebbe essere di "rubare" soldi alle compagnie petrolifere per regalarli alle case automobilistiche.
MASSIMODEIMASSIMI
Banned
Obama deve sostenere i prestiti agevolati a lungo termine alle csa automobilistiche americane e poi chiedere agli americani che la crisi x essere superata bisogna lavorare insieme ... Lui ci mette i soldi e gli americani devono comperare per qualche anno solo auto americane...
Io penso che gli americani sono un popolo unito e in caso di bisogno sanno aiutarsi a vicenda,la la patria esiste e se il presidente dovesse chidergli di comperare solo americano non c'è bisogno di mettere dazi,la comperano solo auto americane
io sono stato piu volte in america e pic up ford sono strabelli....
Per me saranno piu cavoli per le ditte che facevano molto conto sulle vendite in america che vedranno crollare il mercato.
W gli americani e w obama
ma bisogna aspettare fine gennaio per tutto ciò,nel frattempo si scende a toccare i minimi e percè no,farne degli altri ancora un po più in basso.....
Puttatevi ad ogni rimbalzo sopratutto se in gap up e non fidatevi dei future sono sempre stati traditori,sempre andare contro al future...
A tutto short put,rimanete dall aparte dle trend e di trichet e andrete sempre in gain
puttatevi che si volaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Io penso che gli americani sono un popolo unito e in caso di bisogno sanno aiutarsi a vicenda,la la patria esiste e se il presidente dovesse chidergli di comperare solo americano non c'è bisogno di mettere dazi,la comperano solo auto americane
io sono stato piu volte in america e pic up ford sono strabelli....
Per me saranno piu cavoli per le ditte che facevano molto conto sulle vendite in america che vedranno crollare il mercato.
W gli americani e w obama
ma bisogna aspettare fine gennaio per tutto ciò,nel frattempo si scende a toccare i minimi e percè no,farne degli altri ancora un po più in basso.....
Puttatevi ad ogni rimbalzo sopratutto se in gap up e non fidatevi dei future sono sempre stati traditori,sempre andare contro al future...
A tutto short put,rimanete dall aparte dle trend e di trichet e andrete sempre in gain
puttatevi che si volaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
MASSIMODEIMASSIMI
Banned
Americani se non volete sprofonfare nella c....a è meglio che comperate per qualche anno solo auto americane
alingtonsky
Forumer storico
Affari loro. Come agli italiani converrebbe comprare auto italiane.
A parte i dipendenti delle case automobilistiche USA gli altri americani compreranno le auto che convengono di più.
Ed ho sentito che ultimamente gli americani comprano più biciclette e meno auto, rispetto al passato. Più biciclette negli USA e più auto in Cina.
Senza aiuti di stato il target per GM sarebbe zero, la prospettiva il fallimento.
Con grossi aiuti di stato GM potrà sopravvivere.
"10 Novembre 2008 .L'ufficio studi di Deutsche Bank ha annunciato un "sell" (da "hold") per il titolo General Motors, riducendo nello stesso tempo a $0.00 (zero) il target price per i prossimi 12 mesi. Cio' equivale a prevedere il fallimento
Barron's ha scritto che GM si avvia verso lo scenario di un salvataggio da parte del governo. Con un'avvertenza per gli investitori: "GM potrebbe anche sopravvivere con l'aiuto di Washington, ma state alla larga dal titolo".
Le tre case auto GM, Ford e Chrysler hanno gia' ricevuto un'iniziezione di capitali pari in totale a $25 miliardi parallelamente al varo del piano di salvataggio delle banche da $700 miliardi varato dal Congresso il mese scorso. La richiesta, secondo quanto si apprende da fonti di Washington, e' di altri $25 miliardi per cercare di salvare le tre ex big di Detroit. Il crollo delle vendite di auto in America per via della recessione e' cosi' drammatico che GM, Ford e Chrysler bruceranno la cassa rimanente entro la primavera prossima per via dei mancati introiti."
http://www.wallstreetitalia.com/articolo.asp?art_id=640434
alingtonsky
Forumer storico
More Gloom In GM's Future, Bailout Or Nothttp://www.dj.com/
November 13, 2008: 11:42 AM EST
SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones) -- While the federal government appears to be on the verge of extending a financial lifeline to General Motors Corp., a cash infusion is looking more and more like a short-term fix to a long-term problem, analysts said Thursday.
J.P. Morgan analyst Himanshu Patel cut his rating on GM's (GM) stock to neutral from overweight, saying the automaker needs something "immediately" to make it past December 2008 and at least $15 billion to get through 2009.
"But we doubt the federal package currently discussed, reliant primarily on a liquidity injection to bridge to 2010, is likely to succeed -- the best approach for taxpayers may be to make sure the Detroit 3 do not come back for more, which we think is likely, particularly for GM, by year-end 2009, under the current plan," he said.
Patel explained that a package should include near-term liquidity relief coupled with a comprehensive "re-cut" of GM's operations and financial cost burdens -- measures he said that only the current economic crisis offers the ability to address.
He added that the government could also stimulate new car sales across the country by taking measures such as allowing a tax deduction for auto loan interest.
And there's no doubt that sales need a kick start. GM posted a massive 45% drop in October U.S. sales earlier this month, leading a barrage of brutal results that added up to the industry's worst monthly tally in 25 years.
Later that week, the situation in Detroit took on a heightened sense of urgency as GM and Ford Motor Co. (F) reported that together they burned through more than $14 billion in cash during the third quarter. The quickening pace of their cash-burn rate sounded bankruptcy alarms, particularly for GM, which warned it could run out of enough money to fund its operations within months barring some intervention.
S&P automotive equity analyst Efraim Levy said bankruptcy is one road GM does not want to go down because it would potentially put the company out of business.
"Consumers would flee to competitors, mostly foreign brands, rather than make purchases from a company they fear might not be able to financially support its products," he said. "After all, we are not talking about a $200 airplane ticket."
Levy said he sees government aid as the only solution to GM's woes, but even with a minimum of $25 billion needed for 2009, a real turnaround won't come easily.
In a best-case scenario, the government frees up cash for GM and the others, they make it through 2009 and the economy improves in 2010, allowing for pent-up demand to drive profitable sales, he explained. Cost savings from health-care cuts would also kick in at that point, providing a boost to the bottom line.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200811131142DOWJONESDJONLINE000700_FORTUNE5.htm
Nov 13th 2008 11:30AM by Peter Cohan
....
Despite the claims that 2.5 million jobs will be put at risk, I think the U.S. would be better off not throwing away billions of dollars by giving it to the executives who have overseen a 95% drop in GM's value since 2000. Perhaps we can convince better run global competitors to purchase GM's factories and work with its suppliers. For those who do not get jobs with a new owner, we can provide funds to retrain them for other industries -- such as making wind turbines.
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/11/13/why-we-should-not-invest-in-gm/
November 13, 2008: 11:42 AM EST
SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones) -- While the federal government appears to be on the verge of extending a financial lifeline to General Motors Corp., a cash infusion is looking more and more like a short-term fix to a long-term problem, analysts said Thursday.
J.P. Morgan analyst Himanshu Patel cut his rating on GM's (GM) stock to neutral from overweight, saying the automaker needs something "immediately" to make it past December 2008 and at least $15 billion to get through 2009.
"But we doubt the federal package currently discussed, reliant primarily on a liquidity injection to bridge to 2010, is likely to succeed -- the best approach for taxpayers may be to make sure the Detroit 3 do not come back for more, which we think is likely, particularly for GM, by year-end 2009, under the current plan," he said.
Patel explained that a package should include near-term liquidity relief coupled with a comprehensive "re-cut" of GM's operations and financial cost burdens -- measures he said that only the current economic crisis offers the ability to address.
He added that the government could also stimulate new car sales across the country by taking measures such as allowing a tax deduction for auto loan interest.
And there's no doubt that sales need a kick start. GM posted a massive 45% drop in October U.S. sales earlier this month, leading a barrage of brutal results that added up to the industry's worst monthly tally in 25 years.
Later that week, the situation in Detroit took on a heightened sense of urgency as GM and Ford Motor Co. (F) reported that together they burned through more than $14 billion in cash during the third quarter. The quickening pace of their cash-burn rate sounded bankruptcy alarms, particularly for GM, which warned it could run out of enough money to fund its operations within months barring some intervention.
S&P automotive equity analyst Efraim Levy said bankruptcy is one road GM does not want to go down because it would potentially put the company out of business.
"Consumers would flee to competitors, mostly foreign brands, rather than make purchases from a company they fear might not be able to financially support its products," he said. "After all, we are not talking about a $200 airplane ticket."
Levy said he sees government aid as the only solution to GM's woes, but even with a minimum of $25 billion needed for 2009, a real turnaround won't come easily.
In a best-case scenario, the government frees up cash for GM and the others, they make it through 2009 and the economy improves in 2010, allowing for pent-up demand to drive profitable sales, he explained. Cost savings from health-care cuts would also kick in at that point, providing a boost to the bottom line.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200811131142DOWJONESDJONLINE000700_FORTUNE5.htm
Nov 13th 2008 11:30AM by Peter Cohan
....
Despite the claims that 2.5 million jobs will be put at risk, I think the U.S. would be better off not throwing away billions of dollars by giving it to the executives who have overseen a 95% drop in GM's value since 2000. Perhaps we can convince better run global competitors to purchase GM's factories and work with its suppliers. For those who do not get jobs with a new owner, we can provide funds to retrain them for other industries -- such as making wind turbines.
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/11/13/why-we-should-not-invest-in-gm/
