Tempo a Milano - Cap. 1 (3 lettori)

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dariomilano

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“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is A Lack of Fear Itself”

After 6 weeks of steady decline in the stock market, what amazes me is how little fear there really is. Investors do not seem concerned.
I have lost count of how many people have pointed to the VIX as an indicator the market is in okay shape. There may have been a time where there was empirical evidence that the VIX was a leading indicator. As far as I can tell, it is now just a coincident indicator and is part of the risk on/risk off trade. If you look at stocks, oil, Eur, and VIX in the morning, all you need to do is look at one of those in the afternoon, and you can probably come pretty close to guessing where the other 3 markets are. That is all the evidence I need to decide that VIX is no longer a leading indicator. I have heard the smart money now looks at forward implied volatility or volatility skew as a better predictor of future market moves. Those sounds confusing enough to me that they may work, but the VIX, in my opinion has little predictive value, and if anything may be a good contrary indicator. It seems to me that VIX gets very low before big corrections, and VIX gets very high before big rallies.
Speaking of contrary indicators, even Alan Abelson took the time to point out that the American Association of Individual Investors had turned decidedly bearish, which is a contrary indicator. Again, maybe that has been the case, but for the past 6 months, investors seemed to time the market pretty well. They turned bullish and the market continued to trend higher. They became bearish and the market started to sell off. The timing has not been perfect, but it doesn’t completely support the assumption that is a contrary indicator. Once everyone knows about a contrary indicator, does it remain a contrary indicator? Maybe it is the fact that retail is now so irrelevant to the market, that their sentiment doesn’t matter? Or maybe it is because the internet has created a greater bias to the survey than it had in the past? In any case, it makes me nervous anyone who comments on this number is convinced it is a contrary indicator.
I hate to bring my mother into it, but even she is asking if she should buy at the 200 day moving average or buy a bit early in case it doesn’t get there. It is getting hard to type because of that annoying noise made by trucks backing up to load up on S&P 500 here at the 200 DMA. Maybe it will work, but it seems like too many people are thinking the same thing for it to be a good strategy. The people I listen to on TV seem supremely confident that we have strong support at the 200 DMA and are looking forward to buying stocks there. Again, where is the fear?
I have head the “stocks climb the wall of worry” trotted out a few times, though less than I expected. Sadly, the people who like this cliché don’t really seem worried, they just like to point out reasons people could worry. What worries me is how many analysts get something completely wrong, then 2 months later change their opinion and ignore the fact they were ever wrong. In early May almost no one was calling for haircuts or restructuring any time soon. Now they all say there will be. How many analysts predicted that stimulus from Japanese rebuilding efforts would be good, and now blame all their overly optimistic forecasts on supply problems from Japan? I have no problem with changing your mind over time, but I do worry about a market that doesn’t worry about how good analysts have been.
Finally, the one comment that struck me as most peculiar was Mr. Santoli, who I think is very good, trotting out “The market never discounts the same news twice” quotation. Seriously, that is why we shouldn’t worry? Is it that sort of thought process that let the market rebound strongly after Bear Stearns was saved only to be shocked by Lehman failing? Did we discount Greece last year so don’t need to again this year? Or was last year discounting a liquidity event and now it is a solvency event? Of all the market slogans, this one irritates me more than any other as it reeks of complacency and has all the practical applications of a horoscope – you can always interpret the results to make it seem correct.
But why is there no fear?
I think it all comes down to 3 letter words. Mom, Dad, Fed, IMF, and ECB. Children know that their parents are there for them, to take care of them, and to make them safe. At the first sound of thunder, a child will look for their parent and take comfort in their arms. Little children don’t necessarily know why, they just know that mom and dad will be there for them and will make them feel better. The market must have that same faith in the Fed, IMF, and ECB. Whenever the data gets bad, the market ‘knows’ that one of these entities will be there for them. Maybe it is QE3 instead of warm milk, but these entities will be there to support the
m. I don’t know how long these entities can support every blip in the stock market. The real economy is different than the stock market, and all the cures and comforts of these entities have done a great deal for the stock market in the short term, but relatively little for the economy, and the long term consequences of their actions are yet to be felt. I certainly don’t want a 30 year old kid living in my basement because I made it so easy for him that he was never able to go out and do it on his own. At some point the Fed is going to have to kick some birds out of the nest and see if they can fly on their own. In the meantime, the market clinging to hopes that its parents can take care of them runs the risk that the problems are just too big to be dealt with easily and quickly. Then we might get some real fear in this market.
 

AlanFord

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Cmq oggi era il 15-6 come si diceva qualche giorno fa, pero' mi sa che durera' almeno una settimana visto come va l'euro...ma Iulius n'do sta? Mi metto sulle sue tracce, che l'abbia rapito la squadra dei sandoriani e lo tenga recluso? Tutto e' possibile per ottenere le 5 stelle...
Ci vediamo a 18800, tenetelo duro
 

Caront€

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Cmq oggi era il 15-6 come si diceva qualche giorno fa, pero' mi sa che durera' almeno una settimana visto come va l'euro...ma Iulius n'do sta? Mi metto sulle sue tracce, che l'abbia rapito la squadra dei sandoriani e lo tenga recluso? Tutto e' possibile per ottenere le 5 stelle...
Ci vediamo a 18800, tenetelo duro


il problema non è quello, anzi con la crisi che corre mi basta vedere la rosy bindi che si alza...
il problema è dopo come farlo tornare a cuccia!!!:D:D:D
 

AlanFord

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W la foca, referendum ad libitum per la foca per tutti, 5 stelle anche alle foche del forum e che si divertano: ogni foca ha minimo 20 stucazz da utilizzare... e questi non sono numeri a caso, sono realta', forse anche 30, che culo...
 

dariomilano

novellino
nell'attesa di iulius e sperando vada tutto bene gli mando un po' di messaggi subliminali

CULINARIA:

stavo provando a smanettare senza successo:

- office 2004: si apre tutto senza problemi (a parte che ogni volta mi chiede di aggiornare i collegamenti fra i file.. ma lo considero accettabile)

- riconosce giustamente tutti i collegamenti IPERTESTUALI ai vari file presenti sul mio mac.. eccetto quelli START (es. nel foglio pivot, quot.tutte2) che mantiene il tuo percorso localhost/.. e giustamente dice che non riesce a trovare il file, se modifico con il mio però si sposta su borsavalori1 ma sembra non faccia niente (non aggiorna le date e le quotazioni) magari devo fare qualcos'altro altrimenti per ora non capisco come risolvere.
 

Il bestio

Forumer storico
Buondì a tutti...

oggi gironzolavo sugli altri trhead....

Iulius, tutto ok, spero...

dai che sarà alla ricerca del Graal............. TIC 3

:ciao:
 

AlanFord

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Domani venerdi' e pure 17...bella giornata per ricominciare a compricchiare, si prevede rosso sangue tutto il giorno
Ma iu ?
 

Caront€

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rientro or ora dal forum di IO DONNA..
di la IU non c'è...mha!!!!
anche di là parlano di t+1 c-2 p+4 d*3
giocheranno a battaglia navale....
comunque una cosa l'ho capita.
il Tantum rosa non se magna....:D:D:D:D
 
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