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ING Stymies Investors Seeking Bond Payment: Corporate Finance
John Glover and Maud van Gaal Nov 09, 2012 2:30 am ET
Nov. 9 (Bloomberg) -- ING Groep NV’s junior bondholders are having their patience tested by the biggest Dutch financial services company’s attempts to escape restrictions imposed after a bailout.
A European Commission veto that blocks repayment of some ING securities expires Nov. 18, enabling the bank to redeem at face value one month later some 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) of 0.925 percent subordinated floating notes due March 2016. The securities are quoted at 95 cents on the euro, signaling redemption won’t happen this year
“It used to be taken for granted these sorts of bonds would be called but that’s not at all clear anymore,” said Simon Adamson, an analyst at independent debt research firm CreditSights Inc. in London. “It’s such a low-coupon bond they may take the view that they may as well leave it outstanding.”
ING Chief Executive Officer Jan Hommen pledged to cut 2,350 jobs this week as the Amsterdam-based lender presses ahead on talks with the Commission to revise bailout conditions, including forced asset sales and curbs on competition. The bank foundered in 2008 when subprime mortgage assets held at its U.S. unit plunged, triggering a 10 billion-euro rescue.
The bank’s 2016 bonds have a yield to maturity of 2.4 percent, Bloomberg generic price data show. If the bank redeems the bonds, that’s commensurate with a yield of more than 54.6 percent to the Dec. 18 call date.
Fortis Bank
Credit investors are signaling that ING is less likely to call its bonds than Fortis Bank SA/NV, a remnant of the Fortis banking group that was broken up in the wake of the credit crisis and is now a unit of BNP Paribas SA.
Fortis’s 800 million euros of Tier 2 floating-rate bonds due 2018 are quoted at 96.95 cents on the euro to yield the equivalent of 1.5 percent to maturity. They yield 12.6 percent to their next call date in February.
Hommen said he couldn’t comment on whether ING plans calling bonds after this month’s deadline when questioned during a conference call to discuss third-quarter results on Nov. 7.
ING is “making good progress in our talks with the European Commission,” Hommen said. “Under the arrangements we have we have to ask the EC for permission to make calls and do repayments. I cannot give you any further answer than this.”
Earnings Drop
The bank posted a 64 percent drop in net income to 609 million euros from 1.69 billion euros a year ago, below the 846 million-euro estimate of nine analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Profit fell because of losses on hedging contracts protecting capital of its insurance business and a goodwill writedown on a life insurance unit in South Korea it has to sell, ING said.
Standard & Poor’s gives ING Groep NV, the holding company, a rating of A with a “stable” outlook, and estimates the ratio between capital and assets, or leverage, was about 113 percent in March. Moody’s Investors Service cut it two levels to A3 in June, citing “adverse operating conditions, including the current recession and declining house prices in the Netherlands.”
ING’s core Tier 1 capital adequacy ratio was 12.1 percent at the end of the third quarter, the lender said in its earnings statement, compared with 11.1 percent at the end of June. Sales of holdings including Spanish covered bonds as well as Spanish and Irish residential mortgage-backed securities cut risk- weighted assets by 5 billion euros.
The ratio between the lender’s net debt and shareholders’ equity, a measure of leverage, is about 421 percent, down from 1,147 percent in September 2008, data compiled by Bloomberg show. During the pre-crisis year of 2006, the ratio was at about 530 percent to 630 percent, the data show.
Capital Rules
The bank’s targeting a core Tier 1 ratio of more than 10 percent from 2013, taking into account new capital rules known as Basel III. It’s the only Dutch lender on the Financial Stability Board’s list of systemically important banks published earlier this month, which means it’s subject to a 1 percent capital surcharge on top of requirements from the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision.
Hommen is under orders to shrink ING’s balance sheet by 45 percent and dispose of the bank’s insurance operations by the end of 2013 as part of the conditions imposed under the bailout. The lender agreed earlier this year to sell its Canadian online bank for $3.16 billion and raised about $3 billion by selling shares of U.S. lender Capital One Financial Corp.
The sale of insurance units in Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia and a stake in China Merchants Fund should lead to gains of 1.89 billion euros, according to the company.
Investor Confidence
Antoine Colombani, a spokesman for the European Commission, declined to comment on ING’s progress in fulfilling the terms of its restructuring plan.
While ING may not call the 2016 bonds next month, the bank could decide to exercise its option on one of the quarterly call dates after that after prices have risen from as low as 89 cents on June 29, according to Ralf Boeckel, a fund manager at Union Investment in Frankfurt.
“Looking at the price action, market participants seem to estimate a higher call probability on this bond,” said Boeckel, whose firm manages 180 billion euros of assets, including ING’s 2016 bonds. “The market seems to price in a call at one of the next call dates.”
Some of the lender’s divestment plans have been derailed by Europe’s debt crisis, while the Commission is probing whether the Netherlands is making an adequate return on funds provided to ING.
Asset Disposals
“They’ve been disposing of assets for quite some time which has generally boosted capital,” said Paul Smillie, a global banking analyst in Singapore at Threadneedle Asset Management, which oversees about $45 billion of fixed-income securities.
ING has repaid the Dutch government 7 billion euros of the aid plus 2 billion euros in interest and premiums. Full repayment by 2012, Hommen’s original goal, is uncertain because of Europe’s debt crisis and tougher capital requirements.
The bank will make the repayments as quickly as possible, Chief Financial Officer Patrick Flynn said in an interview with Bloomberg Television Nov. 7.
The sooner restrictions are lifted, the sooner the bank can call its bonds, according to Jan Van Parys, who holds ING debt as part of the 87 billion euros of assets he helps oversee at KBC Asset Management SA in Luxembourg.
“We are quite positive on ING,” he said.
--With assistance from Katie Linsell in London and Aoife White in Brussels: Editors: Michael Shanahan, Paul Armstrong
John Glover and Maud van Gaal Nov 09, 2012 2:30 am ET
Nov. 9 (Bloomberg) -- ING Groep NV’s junior bondholders are having their patience tested by the biggest Dutch financial services company’s attempts to escape restrictions imposed after a bailout.
A European Commission veto that blocks repayment of some ING securities expires Nov. 18, enabling the bank to redeem at face value one month later some 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) of 0.925 percent subordinated floating notes due March 2016. The securities are quoted at 95 cents on the euro, signaling redemption won’t happen this year
“It used to be taken for granted these sorts of bonds would be called but that’s not at all clear anymore,” said Simon Adamson, an analyst at independent debt research firm CreditSights Inc. in London. “It’s such a low-coupon bond they may take the view that they may as well leave it outstanding.”
ING Chief Executive Officer Jan Hommen pledged to cut 2,350 jobs this week as the Amsterdam-based lender presses ahead on talks with the Commission to revise bailout conditions, including forced asset sales and curbs on competition. The bank foundered in 2008 when subprime mortgage assets held at its U.S. unit plunged, triggering a 10 billion-euro rescue.
The bank’s 2016 bonds have a yield to maturity of 2.4 percent, Bloomberg generic price data show. If the bank redeems the bonds, that’s commensurate with a yield of more than 54.6 percent to the Dec. 18 call date.
Fortis Bank
Credit investors are signaling that ING is less likely to call its bonds than Fortis Bank SA/NV, a remnant of the Fortis banking group that was broken up in the wake of the credit crisis and is now a unit of BNP Paribas SA.
Fortis’s 800 million euros of Tier 2 floating-rate bonds due 2018 are quoted at 96.95 cents on the euro to yield the equivalent of 1.5 percent to maturity. They yield 12.6 percent to their next call date in February.
Hommen said he couldn’t comment on whether ING plans calling bonds after this month’s deadline when questioned during a conference call to discuss third-quarter results on Nov. 7.
ING is “making good progress in our talks with the European Commission,” Hommen said. “Under the arrangements we have we have to ask the EC for permission to make calls and do repayments. I cannot give you any further answer than this.”
Earnings Drop
The bank posted a 64 percent drop in net income to 609 million euros from 1.69 billion euros a year ago, below the 846 million-euro estimate of nine analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Profit fell because of losses on hedging contracts protecting capital of its insurance business and a goodwill writedown on a life insurance unit in South Korea it has to sell, ING said.
Standard & Poor’s gives ING Groep NV, the holding company, a rating of A with a “stable” outlook, and estimates the ratio between capital and assets, or leverage, was about 113 percent in March. Moody’s Investors Service cut it two levels to A3 in June, citing “adverse operating conditions, including the current recession and declining house prices in the Netherlands.”
ING’s core Tier 1 capital adequacy ratio was 12.1 percent at the end of the third quarter, the lender said in its earnings statement, compared with 11.1 percent at the end of June. Sales of holdings including Spanish covered bonds as well as Spanish and Irish residential mortgage-backed securities cut risk- weighted assets by 5 billion euros.
The ratio between the lender’s net debt and shareholders’ equity, a measure of leverage, is about 421 percent, down from 1,147 percent in September 2008, data compiled by Bloomberg show. During the pre-crisis year of 2006, the ratio was at about 530 percent to 630 percent, the data show.
Capital Rules
The bank’s targeting a core Tier 1 ratio of more than 10 percent from 2013, taking into account new capital rules known as Basel III. It’s the only Dutch lender on the Financial Stability Board’s list of systemically important banks published earlier this month, which means it’s subject to a 1 percent capital surcharge on top of requirements from the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision.
Hommen is under orders to shrink ING’s balance sheet by 45 percent and dispose of the bank’s insurance operations by the end of 2013 as part of the conditions imposed under the bailout. The lender agreed earlier this year to sell its Canadian online bank for $3.16 billion and raised about $3 billion by selling shares of U.S. lender Capital One Financial Corp.
The sale of insurance units in Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia and a stake in China Merchants Fund should lead to gains of 1.89 billion euros, according to the company.
Investor Confidence
Antoine Colombani, a spokesman for the European Commission, declined to comment on ING’s progress in fulfilling the terms of its restructuring plan.
While ING may not call the 2016 bonds next month, the bank could decide to exercise its option on one of the quarterly call dates after that after prices have risen from as low as 89 cents on June 29, according to Ralf Boeckel, a fund manager at Union Investment in Frankfurt.
“Looking at the price action, market participants seem to estimate a higher call probability on this bond,” said Boeckel, whose firm manages 180 billion euros of assets, including ING’s 2016 bonds. “The market seems to price in a call at one of the next call dates.”
Some of the lender’s divestment plans have been derailed by Europe’s debt crisis, while the Commission is probing whether the Netherlands is making an adequate return on funds provided to ING.
Asset Disposals
“They’ve been disposing of assets for quite some time which has generally boosted capital,” said Paul Smillie, a global banking analyst in Singapore at Threadneedle Asset Management, which oversees about $45 billion of fixed-income securities.
ING has repaid the Dutch government 7 billion euros of the aid plus 2 billion euros in interest and premiums. Full repayment by 2012, Hommen’s original goal, is uncertain because of Europe’s debt crisis and tougher capital requirements.
The bank will make the repayments as quickly as possible, Chief Financial Officer Patrick Flynn said in an interview with Bloomberg Television Nov. 7.
The sooner restrictions are lifted, the sooner the bank can call its bonds, according to Jan Van Parys, who holds ING debt as part of the 87 billion euros of assets he helps oversee at KBC Asset Management SA in Luxembourg.
“We are quite positive on ING,” he said.
--With assistance from Katie Linsell in London and Aoife White in Brussels: Editors: Michael Shanahan, Paul Armstrong
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TheLondoner
Forumer storico
Molto interessante...
Negus tempo addietro ti chiesi cosa ne pensavi delle prossime due callabili Unicredit, alla luce di quanto affermato dai lead managers in sede di collocamento della recente emissione lt2 per istituzionali, hai qualche report/analisi degna di rilievo ?
In generale mi sembra che le banche sistemiche (tra cui Ing, Bnp e la nostra Uc) siano maggiormente attente a soddisfare sin da ora i requisiti di Basilea3 e pertanto siano più propense a richiamare strumenti (come le lt2 step-up con call in alcuni casi prima del 1.1.2013) non più eligibili nel capitale tier2 o eligibili parzialmente con ammortamento annuale (lt2 step up con call dal 1.1.2013).
Ci sono poi banche - anche non sistemiche - che recentemente hanno preferito strade più convenienti e sbrigative
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ferdo
Utente Senior
ÖVAG erwartet für 2012 ein negatives Ergebnis auf Einzelinstitutsebene / Keine Zinszahlung auf Ergänzungskapital bis 2015 (für 2014)
Der Vorstand der Österreichischen Volksbanken-Aktiengesellschaft (ÖVAG) gibt bekannt, dass das Jahresergebnis nach Steuern für 2012 auf Einzelinstitutsebene (UGB) im deutlich zweistelligen Millionenbereich negativ sein wird.
Auf Grund von unterschiedlichen Rechnungslegungsvorschriften zwischen Einzelabschluss (UGB) und Konzernabschluss (IFRS), wird hingegen der Konzernabschluss für 2012 einen signifikanten, dreistelligen Millionengewinn ausweisen. Hauptverantwortlich für die Differenz zwischen Einzel- und Konzernabschluss ist die unterschiedliche Behandlung und zeitliche Verbuchung des Effekts der Kapitalherabsetzung bei der Partizipationskapitalemission 2008. Im Unterschied zum Einzelabschluss wird das Partizipationskapital 2008 im IFRS Konzernabschluss als Verbindlichkeit ausgewiesen. Die Herabsetzung dieses Kapitals wird deswegen per 28.09.2012 in der Gewinn- und Verlustrechnung dargestellt. Im Einzelabschluss wurde die Kapitalherabsetzung rückwirkend mit 31.12.2011 verbucht.
Aufgrund der erwartet schwierigen wirtschaftlichen Rahmenbedingungen und den daraus resultierenden Abschlägen für das Abbauportfolio, kann auch für 2013 und 2014 nicht von einer Zinszahlung auf Ergänzungskapital ausgegangen werden.
VBAG expects negative result in single entity accounts for 2012 / no interest payments on supplementary capital until 2015 (for the year 2014)
The board of directors of Österreichische Volksbanken-Aktiengesellschaft (VBAG) announces that the single entity result (according to local GAAP) for the business year 2012 will be negative within a clearly double-digit million euro bandwidth.
Due to different accounting rules between the single entity accounts (local GAAP) and the consolidated group accounts (IFRS), the latter will show a triple-digit million euro profit. Mainly responsible for the difference between the single entity result (local GAAP) and the IFRS result is the different accounting treatment and timely realization of the capital reduction on the participation capital issue 2008. Contrary to the single entity result, the participation capital issue 2008 is treated as a liability in the IFRS consolidated group accounts. The capital reduction on this instrument is therefore realized in the IFRS consolidated profit and loss statement as per September 28, 2012. In the single entity accounts the capital reduction was realized retroactively as per December 31, 2012.
Due to the expected difficult economic environment and the resulting deductions on the run-down portfolio, interest payments on supplementary capital (Ergänzungskapital) should not be expected for the years 2013 and 2014.
Der Vorstand der Österreichischen Volksbanken-Aktiengesellschaft (ÖVAG) gibt bekannt, dass das Jahresergebnis nach Steuern für 2012 auf Einzelinstitutsebene (UGB) im deutlich zweistelligen Millionenbereich negativ sein wird.
Auf Grund von unterschiedlichen Rechnungslegungsvorschriften zwischen Einzelabschluss (UGB) und Konzernabschluss (IFRS), wird hingegen der Konzernabschluss für 2012 einen signifikanten, dreistelligen Millionengewinn ausweisen. Hauptverantwortlich für die Differenz zwischen Einzel- und Konzernabschluss ist die unterschiedliche Behandlung und zeitliche Verbuchung des Effekts der Kapitalherabsetzung bei der Partizipationskapitalemission 2008. Im Unterschied zum Einzelabschluss wird das Partizipationskapital 2008 im IFRS Konzernabschluss als Verbindlichkeit ausgewiesen. Die Herabsetzung dieses Kapitals wird deswegen per 28.09.2012 in der Gewinn- und Verlustrechnung dargestellt. Im Einzelabschluss wurde die Kapitalherabsetzung rückwirkend mit 31.12.2011 verbucht.
Aufgrund der erwartet schwierigen wirtschaftlichen Rahmenbedingungen und den daraus resultierenden Abschlägen für das Abbauportfolio, kann auch für 2013 und 2014 nicht von einer Zinszahlung auf Ergänzungskapital ausgegangen werden.
VBAG expects negative result in single entity accounts for 2012 / no interest payments on supplementary capital until 2015 (for the year 2014)
The board of directors of Österreichische Volksbanken-Aktiengesellschaft (VBAG) announces that the single entity result (according to local GAAP) for the business year 2012 will be negative within a clearly double-digit million euro bandwidth.
Due to different accounting rules between the single entity accounts (local GAAP) and the consolidated group accounts (IFRS), the latter will show a triple-digit million euro profit. Mainly responsible for the difference between the single entity result (local GAAP) and the IFRS result is the different accounting treatment and timely realization of the capital reduction on the participation capital issue 2008. Contrary to the single entity result, the participation capital issue 2008 is treated as a liability in the IFRS consolidated group accounts. The capital reduction on this instrument is therefore realized in the IFRS consolidated profit and loss statement as per September 28, 2012. In the single entity accounts the capital reduction was realized retroactively as per December 31, 2012.
Due to the expected difficult economic environment and the resulting deductions on the run-down portfolio, interest payments on supplementary capital (Ergänzungskapital) should not be expected for the years 2013 and 2014.
maxolone
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Andre_Sant
Forumer storico
ciao a tutti, ma i bond bankia a quanto girano (comre rendimenti) adesso?
sia le perpetue e ut2?
le senior noto che rendono pochissimo
a 2 anni le 4% stanno a 97
http://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=ES0413307028
queste le sub a 5 anni:
http://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=ES0214977144
grazie mille
ciao
Andrea
sia le perpetue e ut2?
le senior noto che rendono pochissimo
a 2 anni le 4% stanno a 97
http://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=ES0413307028
queste le sub a 5 anni:
http://www.boerse-berlin.com/index.php/Bonds?isin=ES0214977144
grazie mille
ciao
Andrea
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darkog
In Hoc Signo Vince..
L'unica che seguo su ams è la ut2 4,65% (mi sembra, sono con il cel potrei sbagliare).
È poco liquida e gira sui 25/30. Ha appena skippato la cedola, ma è cmq cum e no löss..
Qlc ha news about sns T1? Oggi doveva essere l'ultimo giorno.
Marco1974
Nec spe nec metu
Ecco.
Il nodo è il trigger sui CDS se viene fatta una conversione in equity anche per questo Bond sub.
Sul T1 fu fatta on'opa intorno 40 se non erro.
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fabriziof
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anche ES0214977144 è senior.
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