Fondi ed ETF obbligazionari Db X-Trackers Ii Short Iboxx Sover Euroz

Capirex85

Value investor
Ieri sono entrato su questo strumento a 112,9 con l'intento di raddopiare la posizione se scende ancora di un 5%-6%.

Il motivo è semplice, la fase di mercato in atto da marzo 2009 presenta una forte anomalia: solitamente quando l'equity e l'HY corporate rimbalza i titoli a tasso fisso governativi soffrono, perchè c'è uno spostamento notevole di liquidità dagli asset considerati sicuri a quelli considerati rischiosi.

Nella fase attuale invece sta salendo un pò tutto... corporate IG e HY, equity, titoli a tasso fisso governativi... come se ci fosse una reazione schizzofrenica del mercato al ribasso generalizzato di fine 2008 e inizio 2009, altrettanto anomalo e dovuto principalmente a ragioni psicologiche.

Se a marzo mi sembrava evidente il mispricing sull'equity, adesso mi sembra altrettanto evidente quello sui bond sovreign.

Il mercato scommette su un livello molto basso di tassi ancora a lungo e su possibili pressioni deflazionistiche, invece io ritengo più probabile nel giro di 1-2 anni una ripresa dell'economia accompagnata da pressioni inflazionistiche e dal conseguente rialzo dei tassi.

Vedremo chi avrà ragione:up:
 
Ultima modifica di un moderatore:
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Come si può vedere dal grafico i titoli governativi europei a tasso fisso hanno raggiunto l'apice della fase ribassista a metà 2008, pochi mesi prima del fallimento di Lehman, quando le commodities avevano raggiunto quotazioni elevatissime e la BCE era intezionata a combattere l'inflazione anche in una fase di forte incertezza sul futuro dell'economia europea.

Da lì in poi è iniziato il periodo d'oro per questi titoli, grazie al ribasso dei tassi, al forte fly to quality per gli emittenti più solidi (Francia e Germania) e all'ipotesi di una possibile fase deflazionistica.

Non so quanto può durare la fase in atto ma so una cosa: non può durare per sempre.
 
Un ariticolo che sottolinea le motivazioni dei sostenitori della deflazione e che mette in luce quello che sconta il mercato attualmente.

Stiglitz Deflation Threat Pushes Fed to Stay at Zero (Update1)


By Michael McKee

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. faces the possibility of deflation for the first time since the Eisenhower administration, a threat that may prompt the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates near zero through next year.
Executives at Kroger Co., the largest U.S. supermarket chain, blamed deflation for a 7 percent drop in earnings in the second quarter, while falling prices for food, gasoline, and electronics left August sales unchanged at Costco Wholesale Corp. A sustained price drop might set off a chain reaction in which lower profits force employers to pare wages and payrolls. That would erode consumer demand, exacerbating wage cuts and firings.
Such a spiral led to Japan’s “lost decade” of slow economic growth in the 1990s. A more vicious version in the U.S. helped create the Great Depression six decades earlier. Bond investors are forecasting retreating consumer prices, as shown by the yield they demand to hold a one-year bond versus a similar inflation-protected bond.
“Deflation is definitely a threat right now,” Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, 66, a professor at Columbia University in New York, said in a Sept. 22 interview. “The combination of the deflation threat and the sluggish recovery should keep the Fed on hold for quite a while.”
Consumer prices are experiencing deflation, with the consumer price index sliding for six straight months from year- earlier levels, the longest stretch of declines since a 12-month drop from September 1954 to August 1955, according to the Labor Department.
So far, the core consumer-price index, which excludes food and energy, is facing disinflation, a slowing in the pace of increase. The core index rose 1.4 percent in August from a year earlier, down from 2.5 percent in September 2008.
Fed Trio
Regional Federal Reserve Bank Presidents Janet Yellen, of San Francisco, James Bullard, of St. Louis, Richard Fisher, of Dallas, and Charles Evans, of Chicago, have expressed concern in past weeks about the possibility of declining prices.
“Disinflationary winds are blowing with gale-force effect,” Evans, 51, said in a Sept. 9 speech in New York.
While the economy contracted 2.7 percent during the 1953 recession, it shrank 3.8 percent in the current recession, the most since the 1930s. Economists at New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the second- and fifth- biggest U.S. banks by assets, say there’s so much deflationary excess labor and plant capacity in the economy that the Fed won’t raise interest rates until at least 2011.
Gross Pessimism
“The potential for a deflationary downdraft continues for several years” if economic growth doesn’t accelerate, Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. in Newport Beach, California, said in a Sept. 29 interview with Bloomberg Radio.
At their most recent meeting on Sept. 23, Fed policy makers agreed to leave the benchmark interest rate in a range of zero to 0.25 percent, where it’s been since December 2008.
Only 69.6 percent of the country’s factories, utilities and mines were in use during August, close to the record low of 68.3 percent reached in June.
Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan said the economic rebound won’t prevent a further slowing of the pace of price increases. “We are still, by any measure, in a disinflationary environment,” Greenspan, 83, said in a Sept. 30 Bloomberg Television interview in Washington.
At the same time, recent reports on manufacturing, housing, and consumer spending suggest that any investor concerns about the danger of deflation are overblown, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York.
Growth Outlook
The median projection of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News is for first quarter growth of just 2.4 percent, compared with a decline of 6.4 percent in the first quarter of 2009. Maki sees a 5 percent expansion in the first quarter of 2010.
That would translate into higher prices.
“Inflation is driven more by the level of demand and pace of growth than by the size of the output gap,” said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Securities Inc. in Stamford, Connecticut. “As the economy returns to solid growth in 2010, we are quite confident that, in sharp contrast to the consensus Fed view, core inflation will be creeping higher.”
Fed officials are already planning for that, and publicly discussing an exit strategy once the economy does pick up. At that point, the Fed may have to move with “greater force” than some anticipate to keep inflation from accelerating too rapidly, Fed Governor Kevin Warsh, 39, said in a Sept. 25 speech in Chicago.
Fed Purchases
That day is far off for bond investors. Inflation fears, raised by the more than $1 trillion the Fed has pumped into the economy by lowering rates and buying Treasuries and mortgage- backed securities, are fading.
“There’s been a significant flattening on the long end of the curve,” reflecting concern about deflation, said Pacific Investment’s Gross, 65, who is buying longer-maturity Treasuries in response. The yield on the 10-year note, which was 3.95 percent on June 10, was 3.18 percent at the close of New York trading yesterday. The difference in yield between nominal and inflation-protected Treasury securities maturing in one year is negative 0.4 percent, suggesting investors expect deflation during the next 12 months. Over five years, that inflation premium is now 1.21 percent, down from 1.86 percent on June 10.
The Fed needs to “keep inflation expectations from slipping to undesirably low levels in order to prevent unwanted disinflation,” Vice Chairman Donald Kohn, 66, said Sept. 10 in Washington during a speech at the Brookings Institution.
Oil Role
Falling consumer prices are partly a reflection of a 52 percent decline in oil prices to about $70 a barrel yesterday from $145.45 a barrel on July 3, 2008.
The slowing in core prices is more of a concern, said Michael Feroli, an economist at JPMorgan. The core rate fell following three prior recessions in which unemployment rose above 7 percent. That “suggests that core inflation could well be below zero within two years,” Feroli said in an interview.
Core CPI fell 5.3 percent following the recession of 1973- 1975, 10.7 percent following the recession of 1981-1982 and 3 percent following the recession of 1990-1991.
Unemployment rose to 9.8 percent in September, a Labor Department report showed today, and it will likely climb to 10 percent in the fourth quarter, according to the Bloomberg survey of economists. The jobless rate was estimated to average 8.8 percent in 2011.
With unemployment elevated, companies may not need to raise pay to attract workers, even when the economy picks up.
‘Enormous Slack’
“My personal belief is that the more significant threat to price stability over the next several years stems from the disinflationary forces unleashed by the enormous slack in the economy,” Yellen, 63, said Sept. 14 in San Francisco.
Wages for U.S. workers fell for eight months in a row, dropping 5.6 percent from October 2008 to June 2009, according to Commerce Department figures. In contrast, wages continued to grow in the 1954-1955 deflation period.
Stagnating wages and fading job prospects are sapping demand. Consumer spending may increase in the fourth quarter by just 1 percent and in 2010 by an average of only 1.6 percent, according to the median estimate in the Bloomberg survey of economists.
Consumption rose by an average 5.7 percent a quarter in the five years before the recession began in December 2007.
“A weak labor market in a competitive environment puts downward pressure on wages,” said Stiglitz, who won the Nobel prize for economics in 2001. “So, the possibility of another actual decline in wages cannot be ruled out.”
Declining Incomes
The deflation danger is compounded by household debt, said Paul Ashworth, senior U.S. economist at the consulting firm Capital Economics in Toronto. U.S. homeowners owed $13.9 trillion in the third quarter of 2008, compared with an average of $8.5 trillion in the 57 years the Fed has kept records.
“As incomes start to fall, that debt gets bigger in real terms: You have a smaller income to pay off that debt,” Ashworth said. “Deflation combined with high indebtedness can be very problematic.”
Inflation happens when too much money chases too few goods. Gary Shilling, president of the investment research firm A. Gary Shilling & Co. of Springfield, New Jersey, said that even as the Fed continues to pump money into the economy, the money supply, as measured by the central bank’s M2 index, has dropped 1 percent since mid-June.
“Look what is happening to money supply, it is actually contracting now when supposedly the economy is picking up,” Shilling said in an interview on Bloomberg Television Sept. 21. The economy is facing deflation “because you’ve got basically an excess-supply world,” he said.
Profits Dwindling
Profits have evaporated as companies lose pricing power. The 419 non-financial firms in the S&P 500 reported earnings down 28 percent in the quarter ending June 30. Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg anticipate a 30 percent decline for the third quarter, which ended this week.
“Businesses trying to sell products and services feel they are pushing on a string and are adjusting their behavior accordingly,” Fisher, 60, the Dallas Fed president, said in a Sept. 3 speech at the University of California in Santa Barbara. “They are cutting prices.”
Rodney McMullen, president of Cincinnati-based Kroger, blamed price reductions for second-quarter earnings that fell 10.5 percent short of analysts’ estimates.
“We certainly sold more units. But lower retail prices and profit per unit pressured” results, McMullen told analysts in a Sept. 15 conference call. “We began to see deflation.”
The average amount spent per transaction in August at Issaquah, Washington-based Costco was about 7 percent below last year, Bob Nelson, vice president for financial planning, said on a Sept. 3 conference call with investors.
At Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world’s largest retailer, “headwinds” from deflation were in part responsible for a 1.4 percent drop in second-quarter revenue to $100.9 billion, chief financial officer Thomas Schoewe told analysts Aug. 13.
 
Ciao,
sono contento che tu abbia aperto questo 3d.
Ci avevo gia' provato io circa un mese fa senza alcun seguito.
Al momento con questo ETF sono un poco sotto ed anche a me piacerebbe incrementare ,mi rimane il forte dubbio che questo ETF si riveli sempre perdente visto che shorta un indice total return.
 
Ciao,
sono contento che tu abbia aperto questo 3d.
Ci avevo gia' provato io circa un mese fa senza alcun seguito.
Al momento con questo ETF sono un poco sotto ed anche a me piacerebbe incrementare ,mi rimane il forte dubbio che questo ETF si riveli sempre perdente visto che shorta un indice total return.

Ciao solenoide,
è uno strumento non adatto all'investimento di lungo periodo proprio perchè shorta un indice total return, ma può andare più che bene nel breve-medio periodo. Chiaramente lo sconsiglio per investimenti con orizzonti temporali superiori ai 3-4 anni. Solitamente sono molto cauto ad andare short perchè è una pratica sempre rischiosa, qua lo sto facendo perchè la sopravalutazione mi sembra piuttosto evidente.

In questo articolo No Risk spiega in modo chiaro le caratteristiche, i pregi e i difetti di questo strumento, caldamente consigliata la lettura per avere un'idea su cosa aspettarsi da un'investimento in questo ETF:Vedi l'allegato Tassi_Minimi%20_09.06.2009.pdf

Se dai un'occhiata al grafico sull'ultima pagina noterai che nel periodo di rialzo dei tassi tra metà 2005 e metà 2008 ha realizzato un discreto apprezzamento.
 
Ciao solenoide,
è uno strumento non adatto all'investimento di lungo periodo proprio perchè shorta un indice total return, ma può andare più che bene nel breve-medio periodo. Chiaramente lo sconsiglio per investimenti con orizzonti temporali superiori ai 3-4 anni. Solitamente sono molto cauto ad andare short perchè è una pratica sempre rischiosa, qua lo sto facendo perchè la sopravalutazione mi sembra piuttosto evidente.

In questo articolo No Risk spiega in modo chiaro le caratteristiche, i pregi e i difetti di questo strumento, caldamente consigliata la lettura per avere un'idea su cosa aspettarsi da un'investimento in questo ETF:Vedi l'allegato 31653

Se dai un'occhiata al grafico sull'ultima pagina noterai che nel periodo di rialzo dei tassi tra metà 2005 e metà 2008 ha realizzato un discreto apprezzamento.


strumento interessante .
ma proprio perche' shorta un total return il timing e' importantissimo ...non e' un po' troppo presto...
scurate.. fatemi capire ... pensate che nei prossimi mesi aumenteranno i tassi ??
 
Altri dettagli su ciò che sta avvendo sul mercato americano, qualche accenno di un ritorno dell'avversione al rischio, riduzione degli yield dovuto a una minore paura dell'inflazione nonostante un livello di emissioni governative a livelli record (e quindi un offerta record). Tutto questo influenza di riflesso anche il mercato europeo.

Treasury Yields Drop to Lowest Since May as Recovery Falters


By Daniel Kruger and Cordell Eddings
Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury yields declined to the lowest levels since May as reports on employment, manufacturing and housing bolstered speculation that the recovery from the worst financial crisis in seven decades may falter.
Ten-year note yields fell to the least since May 18 yesterday after the Labor Department said U.S. job losses accelerated last month and the unemployment rate climbed to the highest level since 1983. Thirty-year bond yields dropped below 4 percent the day before for the first time since April. Yields slumped even with the Treasury scheduled to sell $78 billion in notes and bonds next week.
“The Treasury market is still perceived as a safe place to put your money,” said Christopher Sullivan, who oversees $1.4 billion as chief investment officer at United Nations Federal Credit Union in New York. “One of the main reasons is because inflation is not perceived as a high risk right now.”
The yield on the benchmark 10-year note fell 16 basis points, or 0.16 percentage point, to 3.22 percent this week, according to BGCantor Market Data. The 3.625 percent security rose 1 11/32, or $13.44 per $1,000 face amount, to 103 12/32. The yield declined to 3.1 percent yesterday.
Thirty-year bond yields dropped nine basis points to 3.99 percent, and touched 3.89 percent yesterday. Two-year note yields fell 12 basis points to 0.87 percent, after dropping as low as 0.83 percent yesterday, the least since May 21.
U.S. employers cut 263,000 positions last month, bringing the total jobs lost since the recession began in December 2007 to 7.2 million, the biggest drop since the Great Depression. The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent from 9.7 percent.
‘Cheaper Levels’
Treasuries erased the initial gains posted after the employment report as investors began to focus on next week’s auctions.
The U.S. will sell $39 billion of three-year notes, $20 billion in 10-year securities, $12 billion in 30-year bonds and $7 billion of 10-year Treasury Inflation Protected Securities over four consecutive days beginning Oct. 5. The Treasury sold $73 billion of the maturities the week of July 6, the last time the four securities were offered in the same week.
“I don’t like the level of rates where we are here,” said Michael Devlin, a Treasury trader with Jefferies & Co. in New York, one of 18 primary dealers that trade with the Federal Reserve. “I think the street would like a pullback, and to buy these at cheaper levels than we have now.”
The 10-year yield will close 2009 at 3.58 percent, according to a Bloomberg survey of banks and securities dealers, with the most recent forecasts given the heaviest weightings. Two-year yields will increase to 1.18 percent.
‘Yield Grab’
Treasuries handed investors a return of 2.1 percent in the period from July to September, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. indexes, as signs the recovery may be slow drove speculation the Federal Reserve will keep interest rates near historic lows. That was the strongest three-month performance since the last quarter of 2008.
“A worldwide yield grab is under way,” said Tony Crescenzi, a market strategist and portfolio manager at Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co. “The Federal Reserve has put a ‘curse on cash,’ pushing investors to move out the risk spectrum for additional yield. In Treasuries, increasing one’s risk is accomplished by moving out the yield curve.”
Treasuries fell 4.5 percent in the first six months of the year, according to Merrill data. For the year Treasuries have slipped 2.4 percent, their worst performance to this point since 1994, when they had lost 3.7 percent.
Record Sales
Treasuries’ third-quarter gain came even as the government sold $554 billion of notes and bonds, the most ever in a quarter. At the same time the dollar dropped against most of its major counterparts and posted a second straight quarterly loss.
So far this year, U.S. sold $1.517 trillion of notes and bonds, compared with $585 billion at the same point last year. Primary dealer Barclays Plc forecasts total 2009 issuance at $2.1 trillion, with $2.5 trillion projected for 2010.
President Barack Obama has pushed the nation’s marketable debt to an unprecedented $6.94 trillion in an effort to spur economic growth, support the financial system and service record deficits. The U.S. budget deficit is projected to increase to $1.6 trillion this year, equivalent to 11.2 percent of the nation’s economy, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
Writedowns, Credit Losses
Reports this week showed the Chicago Purchasing Managers index unexpectedly fell in August. The S&P/Case-Shiller home- price index fell 13.3 percent in July from a year earlier, less than economists forecast.
The economic crisis, which started with the collapse of the U.S. real estate market in 2007, triggered $1.62 trillion of writedowns and credit losses at financial institutions, sending the global economy into its first recession since World War II.
“We’re going to see continued bull flattening in the Treasury market and riskier assets are going to struggle,” said Carl Lantz, an interest-rate strategist in New York at primary dealer Credit Suisse Group AG. This will spark asset re- allocation as “accounts are overweight equities and underweight bonds,” he said.
 
strumento interessante .
ma proprio perche' shorta un total return il timing e' importantissimo ...non e' un po' troppo presto...
scurate.. fatemi capire ... pensate che nei prossimi mesi aumenteranno i tassi ??

Attenzione: ho specificato 1-2 anni come mio orizzonte temporale, non penso che gli sviluppi che ho ipotizzato possano verificarsi nell'arco di qualche mese. E sto entrando a più tranchè proprio perchè penso che l'ETF potrebbe scendere ancora anche se ha già sofferto molto.

E comunque mi aspetto che il ralzo dei tassi da parte delle banche centrali sia anticipato dal mercato che comincerà a vendere la parte medio-lunga della curva non appena sentirà odore di pressioni inflazionistiche.

Considerate che è si vero che l'indice che shorta questo ETF è un total return, ma questo è almeno parzialmente compensato che l'ETF viene remunerato da un tasso pari al doppio del tasso EONIA meno i costi di gestione del fondo (0,15%).

Se leggete l'allegato che ho postato prima trovati i dettagli.
 
Attenzione: ho specificato 1-2 anni come mio orizzonte temporale, non penso che gli sviluppi che ho ipotizzato possano verificarsi nell'arco di qualche mese. E sto entrando a più tranchè proprio perchè penso che l'ETF potrebbe scendere ancora anche se ha già sofferto molto.

E comunque mi aspetto che il ralzo dei tassi da parte delle banche centrali sia anticipato dal mercato che comincerà a vendere la parte medio-lunga della curva non appena sentirà odore di pressioni inflazionistiche.

Considerate che è si vero che l'indice che shorta questo ETF è un total return, ma questo è almeno parzialmente compensato che l'ETF viene remunerato da un tasso pari al doppio del tasso EONIA meno i costi di gestione del fondo (0,15%).

Se leggete l'allegato che ho postato prima trovati i dettagli.


bel 3d... strumento che terrò d'occhio insieme ai commenti;)
al momento la vedo buia, tassi ai minimi ma se c'è qualche altro traballamento non esludo che i tds possano salire ancora (prox mesi)
adotto tattica attendista per il momento
grazie Capirex85
 
bel 3d... strumento che terrò d'occhio insieme ai commenti;)
al momento la vedo buia, tassi ai minimi ma se c'è qualche altro traballamento non esludo che i tds possano salire ancora (prox mesi)
adotto tattica attendista per il momento
grazie Capirex85

Grazie a te per i tuoi utilissimi aggiornamenti al monitor oil & gas...:up:

PS: mi attendo anche io possibili riazli per il tds a TF nei prossimi mesi a causa di un potenziale fly to quality ma è sempre difficile anticipare questi movimenti quindi preferisco lavorare sulle grandi tendenze e entrare gradualmente, come faccio per l'azionario.
 

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