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Io ho preso un cip dell'azione Alpha a 6 alla borsa di Atene...:titanic:

Mi sono un po perso sulla questione greca: dovrebbero annunciare nel fine settimana?


forse nel fine settimana esce qualche comunicato da parte della commisione europea e delle fine delle trattative con il Fmi



certo è che alpha ha un prezzo allettante....
è quotata a stoccarda ma è illiquidissima....
 
Per quel che vale... però è divertente

It's Time To Permanently Ignore Roubini (BAC, C, NBG)

Posted on 04/29/10 at 1:35pm by Swing Trader
Look, I'm not going to say I'm smarter than Nouriel Roubini. I'm sure he's of superior intellect and a great economist, but as an investor, he could prove disastrous if you take his advice.
During the height of the financial crisis last year, I believe Roubini declared that most U.S. banks were "zombies" and that Citigroup (NYSE: C) and Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) would be better off nationalized. He also said a recovery in 2010 was unreasonable and the banking system was technically insolvent.
Well, we all know what has happened since March 9, 2009.
Now Roubini is saying that Greece will default and contagion will spread over into Portugal, Spain and Italy. He thinks this could plunge the world into recession once again.
Roubini is almost a contrarian indicator in that he shows up and gets the most attention during the apex of a crisis and when investors are most fearful.
I took up buying National Bank of Greece the other day as a long-term hold in my porfolio. My rationale was simple: the price was driven down to irrational levels due to investor panic, and Germany, the IMF and the ECB would put together a rescue plan for Greece that would calm the markets.
I may be wrong, but given how strong corporate earnings are and how accomodative the FED has pledged to be, I'm willing to follow my own investment research and ignore Roubini for now, or perhaps permanently.

It's Time To Permanently Ignore Roubini (BAC, C, NBG) | Benzinga.com
 
forse nel fine settimana esce qualche comunicato da parte della commisione europea e delle fine delle trattative con il Fmi



certo è che alpha ha un prezzo allettante....
è quotata a stoccarda ma è illiquidissima....

Ho comprato Alpha alla borsa di Athene, chiamando il borsino. 1% di commissioni...:wall: Vabbè che se torna ai livelli che speriamo...

Ho appena incrementato anche io NBOG a 3,26: adesso ho un PMC di 2,92. Se va di culo e ribecca AIB, ne vendo metà e con il ricavato mi sposto su AIB...:titanic:
 
Ho comprato Alpha alla borsa di Athene, chiamando il borsino. 1% di commissioni...:wall: Vabbè che se torna ai livelli che speriamo...

Ho appena incrementato anche io NBOG a 3,26: adesso ho un PMC di 2,92. Se va di culo e ribecca AIB, ne vendo metà e con il ricavato mi sposto su AIB...:titanic:



speriamo vada tutto bene.

cmq come commisioni manco ti è andata troppo male.

iw, come commisioni standard applica queste per l'operatività in grecia

Mercato azionario telematico Grecia (ASE) 1.5% (min 100 €) :eek::eek:


e pensare che con Db si paga lo 0,29% min 15 euro peccato non l'abbia ancora aperta...



se tutto va per il meglio tp MINIMO di Nbog è 4 secondo me



p.s Fortis, da domani cambia nome in Ageas

AGEAS Quotazioni | AGS.BRBE0003801181 - Yahoo! Finanza
 
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Goldman sachs

Ne ho prese poche poche.


solo 50 a 144,85


so di essere stato affrettato, ma goldman, è goldman...

posizione di lunghissimo. NON LE VENDO FINO AL 2011


spero vivamente scenda ancora così potro incrementare piano piano:D:D
 
Lo posto qui perché credo sia in linea col thread più di quelle sulle perpetual. Devo rileggerlo con attenzione, non ho mica capito tanto bene...

Shutdown of Anglo on cards under new plans

ANGLO Irish Bank is now facing the prospect of being wound down over a 20-year period, following a significant shift in the Government's position.
This means that up to €22.3bn of taxpayers' money -- €12.3bn that has already been pumped in and a further €10bn that is earmarked for the bank -- is unlikely ever to be recovered.
Anglo and its advisers are looking at the costs of running down the bank over two decades as part of a series of options under a revised restructuring plan, the Irish Independent has learned.
The revelation comes just a month after Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said he "could not countenance" closing the bank.
He said: "I understand why many want us to close this bank. But I cannot, as Minister for Finance, countenance such a course of action."
Meanwhile, the EU Commission has criticised the idea of splitting the bank into a so-called 'good' and 'bad' bank.
An original plan, filed with Brussels in November, looked at three key scenarios: immediate liquidation; winding the bank down over 10 years; and splitting the bank into an internal good and bad bank.
But now a 20-year wind-down is also being costed before the reworked plan is filed with the European Commission late next month.
It is unlikely that the €12.3bn that taxpayers have already pumped into Anglo and the €10bn earmarked for the bank will be recovered in that event.
It is believed that Anglo's new bosses still see a good bank-bad bank split as the preferred and least costly option for taxpayers. This would see the bad part wound down over time, with the good element becoming a viable lender to a credit-starved economy.
The Government is unsure how a wind-down of the entire bank over 10 to 20 years would work. The fear is that huge amounts of its depositors and wholesale funders would be prompted to stop doing business with a bank that was seen as having no future.
Mr Lenihan was accused yesterday of changing his stance on the winding down of the bank.
However, Tanaiste Mary Coughlan insisted that government policy had not changed on the now-nationalised bank.
She said a plan on Anglo had gone to the European Commission and was being considered.
But Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny said Mr Lenihan's stance had clearly shifted in the past four weeks.
"The Minister for Finance, Deputy Lenihan, when addressing the House on March 30, 2010, stated in respect of Anglo Irish Bank that winding up that bank is not and was never a viable option," he said.
"In response yesterday to a question from Deputy (Joan) Bruton, the minister clearly indicated he is now considering a wind-up of Anglo Irish Bank and a break up of that bank into a good and bad bank."
LIQUIDATION
The filing of the updated version of the restructuring plan has been pushed out by three weeks to the second half of the month, as a raft of external advisers to the nationalised bank, the Government and the Financial Regulator cross-check the costs of all the options available to the embattled lender.
They have been working since January on answering more than 100 questions posed by Brussels.
Sources said the injection of €8.3m of emergency rescue aid into Anglo last month led to a large problem. It triggered an automatic review of Anglo's case, even as the second version was only being drafted.
Under figures prepared by Anglo itself, an immediate liquidation would cost more than €100bn, while a 10-year wind-down could cost anything between €50bn and €60bn.
- Joe Brennan, Emmet Oliver and Brendan Keenan


Shutdown of Anglo on cards under new plans - Irish, Business - Independent.ie
 
Ne ho prese poche poche.

solo 50 a 144,85

so di essere stato affrettato, ma goldman, è goldman...

posizione di lunghissimo. NON LE VENDO FINO AL 2011

spero vivamente scenda ancora così potro incrementare piano piano:D:D

Borsa e Mercati ti legge:
analista consiglia GS con timing di 2 anni
 
goldman

Borsa e Mercati ti legge:
analista consiglia GS con timing di 2 anni



per me goldman sachs, è uno strong buy (mi sembro jupa:lol::lol:)


sul breve probabilmente soffrirà ancora, potrebbe anche prendere qualche altra botta.


ma per il lungo è un titolo che deve quotare almeno 200.



nel caso in cui goldman, va a finire in area 120 INCREMENTO PESANTE.

peccato solo per il dollaro un po alto...
 
titolo per il cassettista.

un ottimo titolo bancario da cassetto è Bnp.

non può mancare in un portafoglio bilanciato.


banca solidissima, che produce utili. una delle poche che è uscita fuori dalla crisi addirittura rafforzata (si sono pappati un bel pezzo di Fortis)



per me a questi prezzi per il lungo 2-3 anni è un ottimo titolo.




sto finendo le freccie al mio arco, se no anche qui sarei entrato con forza.
 

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