Mps: "Converto a patto che..." (10 lettori)

blackmac

Forumer storico
un punto di vista:
The spectre of nationalisation haunts Monte dei Paschi

Italy has had a parliamentary vote to raise “up to” 20 billion Euros which means that we will have to update the meaning of “up to” in my financial lexicon for these times. So the cash is ready and the deadline for the private-sector plans is 2 pm today. Christmas is a convenient time for such things as the public holidays can be used and it seems to be after Banif and Novo Banco a time that the Euro area prefers for such things. Or as @Swedes2Turnips1 put it.

Jingle bails.

The private rescue has failed to find anyone silly enough to back the 4 billion Euros of financial engineering with 1 billion Euros of equity. So the state is revving up although there are odd stories about the 4% stake of the state being raised to 70%. That is the sort of mistake the UK made with Royal Bank of Scotland when it is much better, if you have to invest, to also have the complete control that 100% provides. For example it is not a nice thing to happen but after a nationalisation the share price should be zero.

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This looks set to be the latest example of privatisation of profits and socialisation of losses from the banking sector otherwise known as the precious. Also the delay and dithering means that those responsible continue to collect their pay cheques and sometimes bonuses for as long as possible. The official time line has been provided for us by @Darlington_Dick

*PADOAN: ITALIAN BANKS ARE NOT WEAK (January)

*PADOAN: PERCEPTION OF ITALIAN BANKING SYSTEM HEALTH `DISTORTED’ (July)

Oh and he was on CNBC in September.

Bailout for Italian banks has been ‘absolutely’ ruled out

Meanwhile please never take investment advice from former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi as he was to be found stating back in January that BMPS was a good investment. Also let me remind you that the President of the ECB Mario Draghi has been intimately involved in all of this over time via his past roles as Governor of the Bank of Italy and more as I pointed out on January 21st.

If we look further back in time we see that the law covering Italian financial markets is often called the Draghi Law and we note that around the turn of the century he was Director General of the Italian Treasury. Then he went to Goldman Sachs which was busy designing derivatives for Italy and Monte Paschi as well as Greece before returning to head the Bank of Italy. So if there is a crime his fingerprints are all over it.

Meanwhile for Italy itself there is the issue of its national debt which is already 2.22 trillion Euros and seems set to rise which reminds me of point 11 of my time line for a bank collapse.

11. It is announced that due to difficult financial times public spending needs to be trimmed and taxes such as Value Added Tax need to be raised. It is also announced that nobody could possibly have forseen this and that nobody is to blame apart from some irresponsible rumour mongers who are the equivalent of terrorists. A new law is mooted to help stop such financial terrorism from ever happening again.
 

Sig. Ernesto

Vivace Impertinenza
Io credo che il nostro ex premier porterà un gran peso sulla coscienza. Il danno (aspettiamo di conoscere i dettagli) nn è leggero.

Qualcuno tirerà le somme e scriverà un bel pezzo d giornalismo spero.
 

filipof

Nuovo forumer
Bloomberg) -- Italian government set to intervene soon after expected failure of Monte Paschi recapitalization plan, says senior Italian official who asked not be named before cabinet discusses banks’ decree. Decree would set up EU20b fund which would intervene when recaps by banks are not supported by market Paschi and other troubled lenders will not be named in the decree, but it will apply to them Shareholders will be hit but aim is to limit losses for stock and bondholders There would also be 6-month extension for popolari banks DTA provision on taxes paid in advance for banks, can be turned into fiscal credits Decree to include intervention on resolution for four banks rescued from collapse last yr
 

Sig. Ernesto

Vivace Impertinenza
Tutte chiacchere.

Bisogna contare quanti soldi sono uscti da nov. ad oggi per capire quanto deve mettere o garantire lo Stato e desumere con un minimo di cognizione il trattamento per i subisti.

Avranno dato un tetto al Governo Italiano(per MpS) che presumibilmente lo userà tutto. Quello che può lo copre. Quello che avanza..si sa..deve arrivare dalla conversione coatta.

So numeri..e non ci si può nemmeno giocare perchè la liquidità è uno dei motivi di intervento "traumatico" da parte della sorveglianza...che ricordiamolo..è dentro e supervisiona da tempo.

Vediamo..ora fare pronostici è veramente esercizio sterile. :)
 

Sig. Ernesto

Vivace Impertinenza
Monte dei Paschi’s board set to meet over state bailout
Move comes after Italian bank fails in last-ditch attempt to bring in private capital


Monte dei Paschi di Siena said it had raised just €2.5bn in private funds from retail and institutional investors © Bloomberg


29 minutes ago
by: James Politi in Rome and Rachel Sanderson in Milan

The board of Monte dei Paschi di Siena was preparing to meet late on Thursday to request a government-led rescue after the Italian bank failed to raise enough from a last-ditch attempt to bring in private capital.




MPS said on Thursday it had raised just €2.5bn in private funds from retail and institutional investors, short of the €5bn in capital that the bank wanted.

The Italian parliament this week voted to approve a €20bn bailout package to recapitalise and provide emergency liquidity to fragile banks. Part of those funds will be used in the near term to rescue MPS, though Italian officials would not provide a precise figure.

According to people close to the matter, the Italian cabinet will meet to approve the bailout of MPS late on Thursday or early on Friday, after the MPS board has requested help.

The MPS board was not expected to make any statement until after the end of trading on Thursday, those people said.

The expected state bailout of the world’s oldest bank comes as Italy is experiencing a sluggish recovery from a lengthy recession. The eurozone’s third-largest economy is also grappling with political uncertainty following the collapse of Matteo Renzi’s government.

Italian officials hope government intervention will put an end to MPS’s woes and restore confidence in other struggling financial institutions.

Due to EU rules designed to limit the hit to taxpayers, the government rescue will impose losses on MPS shareholders and junior bondholders, making them share some of the financial burden.

Italian officials said that they would move to compensate some of the 40,000 MPS retail bondholders who might take a hit, though institutional investors would not be spared.



“The scheme is ready”, said one senior Italian official. “The burden-sharing principle will be respected but we will try to limit the damage to savers as much as possible.”

Rahul Kalia, a fund manager at Aberdeen Asset Management, said the success of the reimbursement scheme could be pivotal. “It’s important that retail investors are compensated properly because any failure to do so will not only stoke Italy’s popular resentment with the country’s political status quo but also risk system-wide deposit flight,” he said in a note.

A model for the compensation of retail bondholders could be what Italy did after it stepped in more than a year ago to help four small banks. Junior bondholders were automatically awarded 80 per cent of the value of their losses as long as they could prove they had low income or scant assets. Otherwise, they had to go through an arbitration process to show that they had been the victims of mis-selling — a more cumbersome path.

Orchestrating the rescue of MPS is Pier Carlo Padoan, Italy’s finance minister, who stayed in his role after this month’s collapse of Mr Renzi’s government in the wake of a heavy defeat in a referendum on constitutional reforms. Mr Renzi was replaced last week by Paolo Gentiloni, the former foreign minister.

“After such a long delay and a never-ending soap opera, I really believe Italian banks are now turning the corner,” wrote Lorenzo Codogno, founder and chief economist of LC Macro Advisors. “So, my perception is that the government backstop will be welcomed by financial markets and it will be a plus for the economy as well.”

One of the big concerns associated with Italy’s banking rescue is that it will worsen the country’s fiscal outlook at a time when it already has one of the highest ratios of debt to gross domestic product in Europe, at 133 per cent.

Assuming all of the €20bn is used during the coming year, that would amount to about 1.2 per cent of GDP, making it highly unlikely that Italy could meet its commitments on managing its debt under EU budget rules.

Italian officials have insisted that the rescue would be a “one-time” effort, which was temporary and therefore would not impact the structural balance, which is one of the key fiscal measures used by the EU.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2016.
 

NoWay

It's time to play the game
MARKET TALK: Mps, burden sharing scenario piu' probabile (Imi)

MILANO (MF-DJ) -- Le adesioni totali all'offerta di conversione totale di bond subordinati di banca Mps in azioni hanno raggiunto i 2,45 miliardi di euro e ieri "per quanto a conoscenza della banca non si sono concretizzate manifestazioni di interesse da parte di anchor investor". Banca Imi continua a credere che "un aumento precauzionale e la burden sharing siano lo scenario piu' probabile". Comunque, proseguono gli esperti, "la soluzione al problema Mps potrebbe ridurre il rischio sistemico per il settore, a nostro avviso".
 

actarus69

Nuovo forumer
MARKET TALK: Mps, burden sharing scenario piu' probabile (Imi)

MILANO (MF-DJ) -- Le adesioni totali all'offerta di conversione totale di bond subordinati di banca Mps in azioni hanno raggiunto i 2,45 miliardi di euro e ieri "per quanto a conoscenza della banca non si sono concretizzate manifestazioni di interesse da parte di anchor investor". Banca Imi continua a credere che "un aumento precauzionale e la burden sharing siano lo scenario piu' probabile". Comunque, proseguono gli esperti, "la soluzione al problema Mps potrebbe ridurre il rischio sistemico per il settore, a nostro avviso".

E' tutto troppo ovvio, stasera fregano tutti nella direzione opposta. Il Piano E radical version.
 

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