Titoli di Stato area Euro PORTOGALLO Operativo titoli di stato (2 lettori)

[lorixnt2]

Sto guardando ora i dati del report OECD dell'ottobre 2010 Tommy. Nulla di apparentemente nuovo sotto il sole. Ancora adesso, se dovessimo stare a loro, la situazione relativa all'Italia appare decisamente peggiore rispetto a quella portoghese esattamente come ai tempi in cui buttai il chip sul decennale.
Costosissime braccia sottratte all'agricoltura verrebbe da dire a questo punto.

 

[tommy271]

Cina pronta ad aiutare Portogallo

Lo ha detto Hu Jintao al termine di una visita di due giorni
07 novembre, 16:51

(ANSA) - LISBONA, 7 NOV - Il presidente cinese Hu Jintao ha detto oggi a Lisbona, in chiusura di una visita di due giorni nella capitale lusitana, che Pechino e' pronta ad appoggiare 'gli sforzi del Portogallo per ridurre l'impatto della crisi internazionale'. La stampa portoghese nei giorni scorsi aveva ipotizzato che la Cina potrebbe acquistare parte del debito sovrano di Lisbona. Il Portogallo e' con Grecia e Irlanda uno dei paesi europei ritenuti piu' fragili dai mercati internazionali.

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Come pensavo, nessun accenno diretto all'acquisto di debito pubblico Lusitano. Solo parole di sostegno e qualche contratto commerciale, diversamente da quello avvenuto in Grecia.
Magari tra un pò leggeremo qualche documento ufficiale e il quadro sarà più chiaro.

 

[tommy271]

Chinese president concludes Portugal trip
English.news.cn 2010-11-07 23:43:20


LISBON, Nov. 7 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Hu Jintao concluded his state visit to Portugal on Sunday and has left the Portuguese capital of Lisbon for home.

The president arrived in Lisbon on Saturday after a three-day state visit to France that began on Thursday.

In Lisbon, Hu had talks with Portuguese President Anibal Cavaco Silva and met other Portuguese leaders, exchanging views on how to deepen bilateral pragmatic cooperation. Both sides also discussed major world and regional issues of common concern.

Hu and Silva agreed to work together to deepen the comprehensive strategic partnership between the two countries.

In France, Hu and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy met for talks and agreed to make joint efforts to boost bilateral cooperation.

Hu said in the talks that since diplomatic ties were forged 46 years ago, the China-France relationship has been characterized by its strategic and global nature and its ability to move with the times.

The Chinese president called on both sides to continuously deepen mutual understanding by carrying out high-level visits and exchanges between governments, legislatures, political parties and regions.

Both countries should advance with the times, be creative in practical cooperation, expand trade and try to double their trade volume by 2015, he said.

During Hu's visit, China and France signed a host of cooperation agreements covering a wide range of areas, including nuclear energy, aviation, finance, energy efficiency, and environmental protection.

On Thursday, China and France issued a joint statement on strengthening their comprehensive strategic partnership.

The statement said the two countries should make a major contribution to peace, stability and development of the world, conform to the purposes and principles of the UN Charter, promote multilateralism and respect the independent and sovereign choice for the development of each country.

Analysts said that the Chinese president's state visits to France and Portugal have promoted not only bilateral cooperation, but also the development of China-Europe ties.

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Nessun accenno neanche qui, dall'Agenzia ufficiale Nuova Cina, sull'acquisto di titoli del debito pubblico lusitano.

 

[C.Bonacieux]

Chinese president concludes Portugal trip
English.news.cn 2010-11-07 23:43:20


LISBON, Nov. 7 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Hu Jintao concluded his state visit to Portugal on Sunday and has left the Portuguese capital of Lisbon for home.

The president arrived in Lisbon on Saturday after a three-day state visit to France that began on Thursday.

In Lisbon, Hu had talks with Portuguese President Anibal Cavaco Silva and met other Portuguese leaders, exchanging views on how to deepen bilateral pragmatic cooperation. Both sides also discussed major world and regional issues of common concern.

Hu and Silva agreed to work together to deepen the comprehensive strategic partnership between the two countries.

In France, Hu and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy met for talks and agreed to make joint efforts to boost bilateral cooperation.

Hu said in the talks that since diplomatic ties were forged 46 years ago, the China-France relationship has been characterized by its strategic and global nature and its ability to move with the times.

The Chinese president called on both sides to continuously deepen mutual understanding by carrying out high-level visits and exchanges between governments, legislatures, political parties and regions.

Both countries should advance with the times, be creative in practical cooperation, expand trade and try to double their trade volume by 2015, he said.

During Hu's visit, China and France signed a host of cooperation agreements covering a wide range of areas, including nuclear energy, aviation, finance, energy efficiency, and environmental protection.

On Thursday, China and France issued a joint statement on strengthening their comprehensive strategic partnership.

The statement said the two countries should make a major contribution to peace, stability and development of the world, conform to the purposes and principles of the UN Charter, promote multilateralism and respect the independent and sovereign choice for the development of each country.

Analysts said that the Chinese president's state visits to France and Portugal have promoted not only bilateral cooperation, but also the development of China-Europe ties.

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Nessun accenno neanche qui, dall'Agenzia ufficiale Nuova Cina, sull'acquisto di titoli del debito pubblico lusitano.

D'accordo, ma penso che se la Cina ha promesso d'aiutare il Portogallo, qualcosa farà, anche alio modo. In Francia, ad esempio, ho letto che Pechino ha fiirmato contratti per un ettaro cubico di euro acquistando tecnologia nucleare, aerei airbus, etc etc. Ciò, anche se non si tratta di titoli di stato francesi in senso stretto, comunque gioverà ai bilanci di Bercy.
Lo stesso dovrebbe valere per Lisbona, fatto sempre salvo il miglior giudizio dei più esperti.

 

[tommy271]

D'accordo, ma penso che se la Cina ha promesso d'aiutare il Portogallo, qualcosa farà, anche alio modo. In Francia, ad esempio, ho letto che Pechino ha fiirmato contratti per un ettaro cubico di euro acquistando tecnologia nucleare, aerei airbus, etc etc. Ciò, anche se non si tratta di titoli di stato francesi in senso stretto, comunque gioverà ai bilanci di Bercy.
Lo stesso dovrebbe valere per Lisbona, fatto sempre salvo il miglior giudizio dei più esperti.

Gli "aiuti" promessi dai cinesi ai portoghesi, non sono gli stessi promessi ai greci.
Ovviamente la Francia non ha bisogno dell'aiuto dei Cinesi per piazzare i propri Oat, mentre invece ha stretto numerosi vantaggiosi accordi per le proprie aziende. Ma qui parliamo di accordi industriali ad alto contenuto tecnologico.

Anche al Portogallo sono stati riservati accordi di import-export.
Che poi la Cina acquisti sul secondario debito lusitano non mi è dato sapere, ufficialmente non ha fatto nessun proclama.
Contrariamente, come già detto, rispetto al debito greco.

 

[C.Bonacieux]

Gli "aiuti" promessi dai cinesi ai portoghesi, non sono gli stessi promessi ai greci.
Ovviamente la Francia non ha bisogno dell'aiuto dei Cinesi per piazzare i propri Oat, mentre invece ha stretto numerosi vantaggiosi accordi per le proprie aziende. Ma qui parliamo di accordi industriali ad alto contenuto tecnologico.

Anche al Portogallo sono stati riservati accordi di import-export.
Che poi la Cina acquisti sul secondario debito lusitano non mi è dato sapere, ufficialmente non ha fatto nessun proclama.
Contrariamente, come già detto, rispetto al debito greco.

Quindi , e darsela a gambe dai tds portoghesi, anche in loss?

 

[tommy271]

Quindi , e darsela a gambe dai tds portoghesi, anche in loss?

Non dico questo, ma le aspettative rivolte verso la visita di Hu Jin-Tao - a mio parere - vanno ridimensionate.
Ognuno poi trae le proprie considerazioni, la realtà è che nessuno conosce quello che accadrà domani. Tantomeno il sottoscritto...

 

[tommy271]

China 'Available' to Help Portugal's Crisis Efforts, Hu Says



Bloomberg November 8, 2010 04:00





Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- China said it's "available" to support Portugal's efforts to come through the economic crisis that has prompted its borrowing costs to spiral this year.

"We are available to support, through concrete measures, Portuguese efforts to face the impacts caused by the international financial crisis, and deepen and broaden our economic and commercial cooperation," Chinese President Hu Jintao said in Lisbon yesterday.

He didn't specify what such measures might be. The Chinese president yesterday ended a two-day visit to Portugal and did not mention Portuguese bonds or debt in public comments.

The extra yield investors demand to hold Portuguese debt rather than German bunds widened last week even after the minority government on Nov. 3 passed a budget plan that features wage and spending reductions to trim the euro region's fourth- largest deficit from 9.3 percent of 2009 gross domestic product.

China "has always given positive and favorable consideration" to bond purchases when making state visits, Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying said on Oct. 28.
Portuguese Economy Minister Jose Vieira da Silva on Nov. 6 said that the existence of institutions and countries that are interested in diversifying their portfolio with Portugal's bonds is "a positive factor."

"If we are able to place that debt with a logic of greater diversification and greater equilibrium among the various financial agents, that is a factor of greater security not only for the placement of that debt, but also for its management," Vieira da Silva said.


Bond Sales


Portugal plans to sell as much as 1.25 billion euros ($1.75 billion) of bonds due 2016 and 2020 on Nov. 10. The yield at a Nov. 3 auction of 1.03 billion euros of three- and 12-month bills climbed and demand declined for the securities. Portugal paid 3.26 percent for the 12-month debt, up from 2.886 percent on Oct. 6.

The spread on Portugal's 10-year bonds over German bunds was at 410 basis points on Nov. 5. The spread soared to a euro- era record of 441 basis points on Sept. 28. German calls for bondholders to share the burden of any future debt restructuring have also made investors wary of lending to Europe's most- indebted nations.

Portugal's planned spending cuts for next year are set to be the biggest since at least 1978, according to EU statistics office Eurostat, as the government tries to convince investors it can narrow its budget deficit and curb debt. The austerity measures may hurt Portugal's economic growth, which has averaged less than 1 percent a year in the past decade.


Exports


The government is counting on exports such as paper and wood products to support growth. The budget forecasts economic growth of 0.2 percent next year, slower than this year's estimated 1.3 percent pace.

"The Chinese government encourages competitive companies to invest and operate in Portugal, and we welcome Portuguese companies to participate energetically in the competition in the Chinese market," Hu said yesterday. "We will do everything so that trade between China and Portugal can double by 2015."

Portugal's budget gap last year was the highest in the euro region after Ireland, Greece and Spain. It aims to lower the shortfall to 7.3 percent this year, 4.6 percent in 2011 and meet the EU's 3 percent limit in 2012.
The Finance Ministry forecasts Portugal's public debt as percentage of GDP
will increase to 86.6 percent in 2011 from about 82.1 percent this year.

Finance Minister Fernando Teixeira dos Santos said on Oct. 16 that he expects the ratio to "stabilize" in 2012 and to start declining in 2013.
Portugal's budget plan calls for lowering the wage bill 5 percent for public-sector workers earning more than 1,500 euros a month, freezing public hiring and raising the value-added tax by 2 percentage points to 23 percent. The governing Socialists have agreed to reconsider some public-works projects including public-private partnerships to overcome the opposition of the Social Democratic Party to the budget.

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[lorixnt2]

Tutto questo, sfrondato da ridondanze, significa in pratica.

Ci vorremo -eventualmente- tanto bene che gli scambi tra i nostri paesi potrebbero raddoppiare entro il 2015.
Vabbè va ...

 

[tommy271]

Tutto questo, sfrondato da ridondanze, significa in pratica.

Ci vorremo -eventualmente- tanto bene che gli scambi tra i nostri paesi potrebbero raddoppiare entro il 2015.
Vabbè va ...

D'altra parte le navi cinesi passano da Suez ... non doppiano il Capo d'Africa.