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Triplo Panico: comprare
Paradossalmente ,come diceva il mio maestro Giuseppe (G.ln) coi titoli della nostra patria ,che a zero non ci vanno si può solo fare solo gain (non vendere) tenere e comprare nel panico (triplo).Adesso secondo me la strada è in discesa,dopo l'annuncio del presidente Draghi ;forse l'ultima fermata ma potrebbe essercene una intermedia per prendere quel tempo sano e che non si rischia nulla , bene cosi.

Ciao Stefano, un affettuoso saluto.
Non credo di essere all'altezza di essere stato il tuo maestro. E' vero, citi affermazioni mie e se nello slow trading ho avuto qualche successo (tenere i titoli della nostra Patria e incrementare con coraggio nel triplo panico) nel trading veloce il maestro sei tu.
Non scrivo più per adesso in questo thd (sebbene spesso lo legga) perchè in questa fase di bassi rendimenti dei nostri titoli mi sono collocato altrove. Mantengo circa il 40% di liquidità per il caso di sciacquone, il resto lo tengo per adesso in etf ad alto rendimento (50% in euro e 50% in dollari).
Ma verrà il momento che inizierò a rientrare sui nostri amati btp, per i quali provo sempre una dolce nostalgia, insieme alla nostalgia per i compagni di viaggio, con i quali ho condiviso forti emozioni in queste pagine nei momenti di crisi, ad esempio quando lo spread con i titoli tedeschi, arrivò, se non ricordo male, ben oltre 500.
Ancora un affettuoso saluto.
Ciao, Giuseppe
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
Ciao Stefano, un affettuoso saluto.
Non credo di essere all'altezza di essere stato il tuo maestro. E' vero, citi affermazioni mie e se nello slow trading ho avuto qualche successo (tenere i titoli della nostra Patria e incrementare con coraggio nel triplo panico) nel trading veloce il maestro sei tu.
Non scrivo più per adesso in questo thd (sebbene spesso lo legga) perchè in questa fase di bassi rendimenti dei nostri titoli mi sono collocato altrove. Mantengo circa il 40% di liquidità per il caso di sciacquone, il resto lo tengo per adesso in etf ad alto rendimento (50% in euro e 50% in dollari).
Ma verrà il momento che inizierò a rientrare sui nostri amati btp, per i quali provo sempre una dolce nostalgia, insieme alla nostalgia per i compagni di viaggio, con i quali ho condiviso forti emozioni in queste pagine nei momenti di crisi, ad esempio quando lo spread con i titoli tedeschi, arrivò, se non ricordo male, ben oltre 500.
Ancora un affettuoso saluto.
Ciao, Giuseppe
Mi fa piacere rivederti qui il giorno della mia festa,un doppio evento..grazie.:)Secondo le info a mia disposizione il rendimento dei titoli decennali italiani dovranno portarsi verso l'1,5% o anche meno,per poi mano a mano che passa il 2018 chiudere un GAP su minimi o quasi,ancora aperto ma andiamo per gradi!Questa news del rischio del belpaese data proprio da Standard e Poor's potrebbe essere una grande occasione ed aspetto senza particolare ansia l'evento che mi darebbe tanta roba in termini di rendimento e di performance in circa 8 anni di investimenti e scalping azionari.Una buona Domenica a te.
 

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Forumer storico
10/29/2017 | 07:15am EDT
By Giovanni Legorano
ROME -- When European Central Bank President Mario Draghi embarked on a policy of buying government bonds, it was an especially welcome lifeline for Italy, then reeling from soaring interest rates and trapped in the country's worst economic crisis since the war.
Now, as the central bank unwinds the stimulus program known as quantitative easing 2 1/2 years later, Italy is an important test case for the long-term success of Mr. Draghi's policy.
Years of cheap money and a robust recovery elsewhere in Europe is nudging Italy to its fastest economic growth in seven years. But while thriving on stimulus, Italy has failed to take big steps on changes such as cutting red tape and reducing the cost of labor.
"QE has been important, but that's enough," said Carlo Messina, CEO of Italian banking group Intesa Sanpaolo SpA. "Italy has got to get used to living without it. It has to learn that reforms are important."
Quantitative easing was instrumental in helping Italy pull itself out of its worst downturn since the war. Low rates helped kick-start the economy; mortgages as low as 1% helped housing prices recover. Companies renegotiated their debt; corporate interest rates fell to an average of 1.60% this summer from 3.60% in 2012.
The weak euro kick-started exports. The trade surplus with non-European countries widened by almost 50% to EUR40 billion in 2016 from two years earlier. All that bumped Italy to its current growth rate of 1.5% -- good for Italy, but the worst in the euro zone.
The sharp fall in interest rates under QE provided a windfall to the Italian government, which shells out EUR70 billion ($81.16 billion) a year to service its debt, the world's third-highest. From the time QE was introduced in March 2015, the Italian Treasury made its debt cheaper for Italy by lengthening the average duration of Italian debt to 6.9 years from 6.4 years at lower interest rates.
The Treasury even sold EUR5 billion in 50-year bonds last year at just 2.85%, a price it paid for three-month Treasury bills at the height of the sovereign debt crisis. All told, Italy saved roughly EUR15 billion in interest payments during QE, some of it plowed into measures that stimulated hiring.
Italian banks also have used the rally in bond prices during QE to reduce their holdings of Italian government debt, a major worry during the sovereign debt crisis. They have cut their holdings by 30% on average.
UBS economists said they expect interest rates to remain low for some time and Italy's debt, while at a high, to be sustainable for the medium-term.
But without the tailwinds of ultraloose monetary policy, the government expects Italy's growth to fall back to 1.3% by 2020, citing a slowdown in domestic demand. Italy remains the economic laggard of Europe.
"While necessary and beneficial, quantitative easing has had to some extent an anesthetic effect in Italy, quelling the impulse to do more and more quickly in terms of structural reforms," said former Prime Minister Mario Monti, who held the post for 17 months from 2011 to 2013.
Several efforts to cut public spending have fallen well short of their goals, with the government concerned that tighter budgets would choke off the recovery.
Red tape and a justice system that can take a decade to deliver rulings on commercial disputes still scare off potential investors. Italy has risen to 50th in the World Bank's ease of doing business rankings from 87th in 2012, but it figures worse than Ireland, Portugal and Spain.
Italy's banks are slated to sell about EUR60 billion in bad debts this year, but that leaves them with more than EUR200 billion. And they remain among the last profitable lenders in Europe.
The stronger euro is already starting to bite in a country that depends on external demand to stimulate growth. "For people like us [a few cents] count a lot," said Enore Ceola, chief executive of Mionetto USA, a distributor of Prosecco sparkling wine. He says that if the euro remains around current levels his costs will rise by about 7% next years.
"Tapering is a much bigger problem for Italy than for the eurozone as a whole," says Jack Allen, economist at Capital Economics.
And now, political concerns loom. National elections, currently expected in March, are expected to produce a hung parliament, according to analysts including Lorenzo Codogno, founder of LC Macro Advisors Ltd..
That could mean a broad left-right coalition that is too weak to push through unpopular measures such as a reform of Italy's civil service or opening up closed professions. Nervousness about tapering and the elections have already driven a slow-motion flight out of government debt.
"Everyone in Italian politics thinks...the situation isn't as critical as it [is]," said Klaus Schrader, an economist at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy. Thus, Italy's economic decline is "a sluggish lingering process....This is a danger."
Write to Giovanni Legorano at [email protected]
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
10/29/2017 | 07:15am EDT
By Giovanni Legorano
ROME -- When European Central Bank President Mario Draghi embarked on a policy of buying government bonds, it was an especially welcome lifeline for Italy, then reeling from soaring interest rates and trapped in the country's worst economic crisis since the war.
Now, as the central bank unwinds the stimulus program known as quantitative easing 2 1/2 years later, Italy is an important test case for the long-term success of Mr. Draghi's policy.
Years of cheap money and a robust recovery elsewhere in Europe is nudging Italy to its fastest economic growth in seven years. But while thriving on stimulus, Italy has failed to take big steps on changes such as cutting red tape and reducing the cost of labor.
"QE has been important, but that's enough," said Carlo Messina, CEO of Italian banking group Intesa Sanpaolo SpA. "Italy has got to get used to living without it. It has to learn that reforms are important."
Quantitative easing was instrumental in helping Italy pull itself out of its worst downturn since the war. Low rates helped kick-start the economy; mortgages as low as 1% helped housing prices recover. Companies renegotiated their debt; corporate interest rates fell to an average of 1.60% this summer from 3.60% in 2012.
The weak euro kick-started exports. The trade surplus with non-European countries widened by almost 50% to EUR40 billion in 2016 from two years earlier. All that bumped Italy to its current growth rate of 1.5% -- good for Italy, but the worst in the euro zone.
The sharp fall in interest rates under QE provided a windfall to the Italian government, which shells out EUR70 billion ($81.16 billion) a year to service its debt, the world's third-highest. From the time QE was introduced in March 2015, the Italian Treasury made its debt cheaper for Italy by lengthening the average duration of Italian debt to 6.9 years from 6.4 years at lower interest rates.
The Treasury even sold EUR5 billion in 50-year bonds last year at just 2.85%, a price it paid for three-month Treasury bills at the height of the sovereign debt crisis. All told, Italy saved roughly EUR15 billion in interest payments during QE, some of it plowed into measures that stimulated hiring.
Italian banks also have used the rally in bond prices during QE to reduce their holdings of Italian government debt, a major worry during the sovereign debt crisis. They have cut their holdings by 30% on average.
UBS economists said they expect interest rates to remain low for some time and Italy's debt, while at a high, to be sustainable for the medium-term.
But without the tailwinds of ultraloose monetary policy, the government expects Italy's growth to fall back to 1.3% by 2020, citing a slowdown in domestic demand. Italy remains the economic laggard of Europe.
"While necessary and beneficial, quantitative easing has had to some extent an anesthetic effect in Italy, quelling the impulse to do more and more quickly in terms of structural reforms," said former Prime Minister Mario Monti, who held the post for 17 months from 2011 to 2013.
Several efforts to cut public spending have fallen well short of their goals, with the government concerned that tighter budgets would choke off the recovery.
Red tape and a justice system that can take a decade to deliver rulings on commercial disputes still scare off potential investors. Italy has risen to 50th in the World Bank's ease of doing business rankings from 87th in 2012, but it figures worse than Ireland, Portugal and Spain.
Italy's banks are slated to sell about EUR60 billion in bad debts this year, but that leaves them with more than EUR200 billion. And they remain among the last profitable lenders in Europe.
The stronger euro is already starting to bite in a country that depends on external demand to stimulate growth. "For people like us [a few cents] count a lot," said Enore Ceola, chief executive of Mionetto USA, a distributor of Prosecco sparkling wine. He says that if the euro remains around current levels his costs will rise by about 7% next years.
"Tapering is a much bigger problem for Italy than for the eurozone as a whole," says Jack Allen, economist at Capital Economics.
And now, political concerns loom. National elections, currently expected in March, are expected to produce a hung parliament, according to analysts including Lorenzo Codogno, founder of LC Macro Advisors Ltd..
That could mean a broad left-right coalition that is too weak to push through unpopular measures such as a reform of Italy's civil service or opening up closed professions. Nervousness about tapering and the elections have already driven a slow-motion flight out of government debt.
"Everyone in Italian politics thinks...the situation isn't as critical as it [is]," said Klaus Schrader, an economist at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy. Thus, Italy's economic decline is "a sluggish lingering process....This is a danger."
Write to Giovanni Legorano at [email protected]
IL procedimento si giocherà molto sulle ultime tre righe dell'articolo ed credibilità paese,come ho sottolineato precedentemente (vedasi debito spagnolo assotigliarsi VS Italia di circa 30 basis point)..il resto dell'articolo è interessante come parafrasi. Quando i fondi o banche decideranno gli acquisti non vanno di certo a dirlo..spero lo facciano in modo ordinato;l'estate 2016 ne è stata una testimonianza. Buona Domenica
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
Germania: vendite al dettaglio in rialzo a settembre
In Germania le vendite al dettaglio hanno segnato a settembre
un aumento dello 0,5% rispetto ad agosto, quando erano scese
dello 0,2% (dato rivisto al rialzo dal precedente -0,4%). Su
base annua, quindi nei confronti di settembre 2016, le vendite
sono salite del 4,1%. Gli analisti si aspettavano un aumento
dello 0,7% su base mensile e del 3% su base annua. Milano,
Finanza.com
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
marketinsight.it - USA - FIDUCIA CONSUMATORI DEL MICHIGAN SOTTO LE ATTESE A OTTOBRE
Gli esperti dell'Università del Michigan hanno rivisto al
ribasso la stima preliminare dell'indice sulla fiducia dei
consumatori statunitensi del mese di ottobre a 100,7 punti in
calo dai 101,1 punti della prima lettura. Le aspettative degli
analisti erano fissate su un indice pari a 101 punti.
Leggi la notizia sul sito marketinsight.it
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
I computer lavorano. Book 20 livelli Btp 2047 e 2067

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stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
Italia: Tesoro, rendimenti in calo nell’asta di Btp
Questa mattina il Ministero dell’Economia italiano ha assegnato
titoli a medio lungo termine per 8,5 miliardi di euro,
all’estremo superiore del range indicato in precedenza. Nel
dettaglio, il Btp quinquennale, ha segnato un calo del
rendimento di un quarto di punto percentuale allo 0,58% mentre
nel caso del decennale il dato è sceso dello 0,33% all’1,86%
(bid-to-cover a 1,53 e 1,43 volte). Segno meno anche nel caso
del CCTeu, in rosso di 15 punti base allo 0,6%. Milano,
Finanza.com
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
Zona Euro: economic sentiment sale a 114 punti ad ottobre
L’indice sul sentiment economico della Zona Euro ad ottobre si
è spinto a 114 punti. Il dato precedente aveva fatto segnare
113,1 punti. Milano, Finanza.com
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
marketinsight.it - EUROZONA - MIGLIORA LA FIDUCIA DEI CONSUMATORI AD OTTOBRE
La lettura finale di ottobre dell'indice fiducia dei consumatori
dell'Eurozona, stilato dalla Commissione europea, si attesta a
-1 punti, in linea con la rilevazione preliminare e in
miglioramento rispetto a -1,2 punti di settembre. Le attese degli
analisti erano per una lettura sostanzialmente stabile a -1
punti.
Leggi la notizia sul sito marketinsight.it
 

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