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State aid: Commission extends investigation into WestLB's bad bank and restructuring



The European Commission has extended its ongoing state aid investigation into Westdeutsche Landesbank (WestLB) after reaching the conclusion that the bank has received an estimated €3.4 billion more in state subsidies than was initially foreseen in the process of transferring its portfolio of impaired assets to a bad bank. Before the Commission can approve the aid, which comes on top of the support received by the bank since the start of the financial crisis, further restructuring measures to address the distortions of competition, or alternatively, its gradual reimbursement, should be considered. In the meantime the Commission continues to doubt the viability of the bank.



“Our estimate is that WestLB has received a further €3.4 billion in the process of transferring its toxic and other impaired assets to the bad bank, bringing the total amount in this regard to €6.95 billion. At this stage either the German government notifies further restructuring measures to compensate for the additional distortion of competition or the aid should be progressively clawed back. Therefore, our assessment of the viability of the bank depends on the way these options will be considered by the German authorities." said Commission Vice President in charge of competition policy Joaquín Almunia.
WestLB operates largely as central bank and provider of services for the saving banks of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's biggest regional bank network. It also has commercial and investment banking operations. The bank has received significant State support through repeated risk shields after its big structured securities portfolio resulted in heavy losses.
In May 2009 the Commission approved the subsidies granted that far on the condition of a restructuring of the bank involving the refocusing of its activities on core, less risky activities and the sale of a majority stake of the bank. This was to ensure the bank shares the burden of its restructuring and to address the distortions of competition (see IP/09/741).
Subsequently, and as part of the restructuring plan, Germany set up a bad bank, the Erste Abwicklungsanstalt (EAA), to which WestLB hived off a portfolio of toxic and non-strategic assets representing approximately 30% of the bank's total assets with a view of their progressive liquidation. As the bad bank was expected to make losses, it received €3 billion in capital from State agency SoFFin.).
This aid was not foreseen in the original restructuring plan but as Germany argued financial stability grounds, the operation was granted temporary approval only. This is because the Commission had doubts whether the asset relief measures complied with the Impaired Asset Communication (IAC) (see IP/09/322). The Commission also doubted the bank's viability and, in view of the additional aid, whether it was bearing an adequate share of the rescue burden and addressing the additional distortions of competition. A new investigation was, therefore, opened under Article 108(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) (see IP/09/1996 of 22 December 2009).
Today's decision establishes that the bank's toxic and non-strategic assets have been transferred well above their real long-term economic value (REV), an advantage that is estimated at a total of €6.95 billion. This valuation was finalised in September this year with the help of external experts, as foreseen in the Impaired Asset Communication.
Of this, €3.267 billion represents equity for which SoFFin is supposed to be remunerated. Another €268 million is a transferred embedded liability that is unlikely to materialise. It leaves a total of €3.414 billion in further State support for which WestLB is not providing any remuneration, which further distorts competition and leaves too large a burden on the shoulders of the taxpayer.
In principle this is not allowed. Therefore, at this stage, the Commission believes the additional aid is not in line with the Impaired Asset Communication unless it is accompanied by further restructuring measures or the corresponding amount is ultimately recovered from WestLB. Hence the extension of the probe opened in December.
The Commission's doubts about the viability of the bank have also increased. The bank's adjusted profit and loss projections, shows that the business model still relies on comparatively volatile and risky activities which does not provide the room for manoeuvre necessary for such unstable business. Moreover, Commission at this stage also misses sufficient measures for an adequate burden sharing and to address the increased distortions of competition.
The non-confidential version of the decision will be made available under the case number C40/2009 in the State Aid Register on the DG Competition website once any confidentiality issues have been resolved. New publications of State aid decisions on the internet and in the Official Journal are listed in the State Aid Weekly e-News.


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no perpetual no party

Forumer storico
Domandone del weekend

nuovo bond di 750 mln a settembre...
potrebbe servire per richiamare i due che sono in scadenza, uno a fine dicembre (non callato nel 2009) e quello con call naturale a marzo 2011?

CNP Assurances 250 EUR FR0010093328 A+/A1 OAT 10a + 0,10%, max 9% Trim. 1.000 21/06/2004 perpetual 21/12/2009 invariata Francia assicurazioni Si
CNP Assurances 225 EUR FR0010167247 A+/A1 6,5000% Ann. 1.000 11/03/2005 perpetual 11/03/2011 dal 2009 3% + 22% IRS 10a Francia assicurazioni No


quindi nessuno crede che il nuovo bond serva al richiamo dei due in essere?
 

solenoide

Forumer storico
ciao bia! grz:up:
avevo provato a mettere in relazione i due eventi per capire se ci fossero possibilità... ma come mai sei cosi sicuro del no?

ciao npnp,
mai dire mai pero' anch'io credo che tra i due eventi non ci sia correlazione.

CNP dice :
the purpose of the issue is to support the development of cnp assurances’s business. The issue’s success is further confirmation of french and international investors’ interest in the group and their confidence in its financial strength.

in primavera Axa nell'emettere il nuovo subordinato puntualizzava :

AXA announced today its intention to issue a 30 year-maturity subordinated debt instrument
(30NC10) in anticipation of the refinancing of outstanding subordinated debt instruments that
it currently intends to call in the next twelve months
. This transaction is part of AXA’s ongoing
policy of active management of its financial structure.

idem Groupama che nel prospetto del subordinato emesso nel 2009 specificava :

The net proceeds of the issue of the Notes are estimated to be approximately €748,875,000 and will be used to
strengthen the Issuer's balance sheet with hybrid capital and increase its financial flexibility. The Issuer also intends
to use all or part of the proceeds of the Notes to early redeem the two series of subordinated notes due 2029 issued
by the Issuer in July 1999 (ISIN: FR0000495665 and FR0000495657) on their next interest payment date falling
on 22 January 2010 (the Call Date),
subject to obtaining the approval of the Autorité de Contrôle des Assurances
et des Mutuelles which is expected to be forthcoming shortly before the Call Date.
 

avvocatissimo

Nuovo forumer
Fly to quality

Il titolo del post può sembrare un ossimoro..... se messo in correlazione con le obbligazioni perpepetue..... che per natura sono un asset rischioso...

noto che da tempo i big stanno facendo poche operazioni e pare un po a molti che la situazione sia troppo buona perchè non possa accadere nulla.....

la domanda che mi faccio da un po di tempo,e credo che anche altri si stiano ponendo è se sia meglio 'rinunciare' a possibili grandi gain su titoli di seconda fascia (per es. BAKA o GROUPAMA) piuttoto che puntare su titoli più sicuri che garantiscono rendimenti più modesti (sul 6%-7%, es G.E. CNP, GENRALI, ALLEANZ, INTESA ) ma più sicuri e magari garantiti ancora per diversi anni.....

cosa ne pensate???
 

no perpetual no party

Forumer storico
ciao npnp,
mai dire mai pero' anch'io credo che tra i due eventi non ci sia correlazione.

CNP dice :
the purpose of the issue is to support the development of cnp assurances’s business. The issue’s success is further confirmation of french and international investors’ interest in the group and their confidence in its financial strength.

in primavera Axa nell'emettere il nuovo subordinato puntualizzava :

AXA announced today its intention to issue a 30 year-maturity subordinated debt instrument
(30NC10) in anticipation of the refinancing of outstanding subordinated debt instruments that
it currently intends to call in the next twelve months
. This transaction is part of AXA’s ongoing
policy of active management of its financial structure.

idem Groupama che nel prospetto del subordinato emesso nel 2009 specificava :

The net proceeds of the issue of the Notes are estimated to be approximately €748,875,000 and will be used to
strengthen the Issuer's balance sheet with hybrid capital and increase its financial flexibility. The Issuer also intends
to use all or part of the proceeds of the Notes to early redeem the two series of subordinated notes due 2029 issued
by the Issuer in July 1999 (ISIN: FR0000495665 and FR0000495657) on their next interest payment date falling
on 22 January 2010 (the Call Date),
subject to obtaining the approval of the Autorité de Contrôle des Assurances
et des Mutuelles which is expected to be forthcoming shortly before the Call Date.

ok grz per i contributi! pensavo che, visto l'emittente di qualità, ci fossero delle speranze.. invece nada.... baca salvaci tu! ;)
 

Metriko

Forumer attivo
Sui 3d tedeschi c'e' paura di un effetto domino della soluzione irlandese sulle landesbank tedesche
Nel dubbio lunedi liquido finche sono in gain

Apo
Furstenberg
Main Capital
HSH
Resparc
Ma x anche io ho fustemberg

ma se non erro non aveva preso aiuti dallo stato, perche' la liquidi per un possibile calo o per un reale rischio ?

grazie,Dario.
 

maxinblack

Forumer storico
Ma x anche io ho fustemberg

ma se non erro non aveva preso aiuti dallo stato, perche' la liquidi per un possibile calo o per un reale rischio ?

grazie,Dario.

Furstenberg e Main Capital Helaba non hanno preso aiuti dallo stato e sono relativamente sicure, il fatto e' che le partecipazioni delle banche tedesche sembrano molto incrociate se WestLB fa un tonfo non credo che anche quelle sane non ne risentano.

Queste 2 sono le uniche che terrei.Hanno sempre pagato anche in periodi piu'bui, magari la quotazione soffre, io le ho tutte a prezzi bassissimi e in basse quantita'quindi potrei anche tenerle ma il rospo WestLB finche non lo risolvono e c'e' incertezza influira' negativamente su tutto il comparto.

Le altre HSH e resparc hanno preso aiuti, BayerLB pure, IKB ho ancora la LT2, se per questo pure anche COBA ma e' un colosso ma HT1 u UT2 sono in calo.

C'e' grande incertezza su West LB non si sa che futuro avra' e cosa si inventeranno per metterci una pezza.

Conseguenza tutto il comparto ibride tedesche ne risente, che fare? uscire se sei in gain e rientrare dopo a prezzi piu' bassi? cosa molto probabile, ma mi sono stancato di stressarmi e devo ridurre il numero totale di emissioni.

Inoltre non vorrei che partorissero qualcosa in stile irlandese, comunque per quello che vale la mia opinione mi terrei Main Capital e Fustenberg, pero' preparati a vederle calare, se non te ne frega della quotazione e della volatilita' me le terrei.

Oppure fai un po' di trading e' proprio in queste occasioni di volatilita' che si puo' fare qualche soldino pero guardati questi grafi da Giovedi comunicazione fallimento fusione con BayernLB.....azz
 

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