Titoli di Stato area non Euro ARGENTINA obbligazioni e tango bond (18 lettori)

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Incredibile poi il fatto che le due emissioni gemelle PAR, swap 2005 e swap 2010 abbiano puntualmente uno spread di almeno mezza figura, talvolta anche una figura intera. In genere a valori superiori quella più liquida swap 2005.
Ci si potesse fare arbitraggio c'era da farci soldi a palate :D. Ovviamente non si può, non nel senso di comprare un Isin su un book e venderlo sull'altro...:D, benché gemelle sono due Isin distinti.
Arbitreggiare in modo indiretto limitandosi solo a vendere la più cara e comprare la meno cara, non è proprio la stessa cosa :D.
E poi la meno cara delle due, é presto detto, é quasi sempre la 993 swap 2010. Gira quindi a rendimenti appena appena più alti, evidentemente premio alla minor liquidità (1.5 miliardi contro 5).
Se uno guardandole entrambe, dovesse dire quale prezzo "mente", la teoria vorrebbe che la 581 swap 2005, la più liquida, dovrebbe essere prezzata più efficientemente. Chissà. :D
Ora il mid price tra bid e ask della 581 è 1,23 figure sopra quello dell a 993, sul tlx.;)
 

tommy271

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Vulture Funds Circle Argentina, Waiting for Moment to Buy
By
Aline Oyamada
and
Sydney Maki

3 settembre 2019, 18:39 CEST Updated on 4 settembre 2019, 00:22 CEST




Shops including Morgan Stanley and Merian Global Investors expect buyers with a strong appetite for risk will emerge at about 30 cents.

(...)

Money managers and analysts had been saying that bondholders were likely to recoup 30 cents-to-40 cents on the dollar on Argentina’s international notes if the country goes through with a restructuring. So far, the government has said it wants to delay payments on up to $101 billion of debt.

(...)

Distressed debt investors will probably wait until Argentine bonds are well below expected recovery values before buying, said Eric Baurmeister, who helps manage $12 billion in emerging-market debt at Morgan Stanley Investment Management Inc. in New York. Prices could drop to 20 cents on the dollar or lower, he said in an interview.

(...)

Bonds may fall to the low 30-cents level before catching a bid, Morgan Stanley strategists led by James Lord wrote in a report Tuesday.

(...)

Delphine Arrighi, a London-based portfolio manager at Merian Global Investors, also cited the 30-cent level as potentially appealing to some investors. That, however, depends on the policy signals given by the incoming administration, she said.


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noname

Forumer attivo
Vulture Funds Circle Argentina, Waiting for Moment to Buy
By
Aline Oyamada
and
Sydney Maki

3 settembre 2019, 18:39 CEST Updated on 4 settembre 2019, 00:22 CEST




Shops including Morgan Stanley and Merian Global Investors expect buyers with a strong appetite for risk will emerge at about 30 cents.

(...)

Money managers and analysts had been saying that bondholders were likely to recoup 30 cents-to-40 cents on the dollar on Argentina’s international notes if the country goes through with a restructuring. So far, the government has said it wants to delay payments on up to $101 billion of debt.

(...)

Distressed debt investors will probably wait until Argentine bonds are well below expected recovery values before buying, said Eric Baurmeister, who helps manage $12 billion in emerging-market debt at Morgan Stanley Investment Management Inc. in New York. Prices could drop to 20 cents on the dollar or lower, he said in an interview.

(...)

Bonds may fall to the low 30-cents level before catching a bid, Morgan Stanley strategists led by James Lord wrote in a report Tuesday.

(...)

Delphine Arrighi, a London-based portfolio manager at Merian Global Investors, also cited the 30-cent level as potentially appealing to some investors. That, however, depends on the policy signals given by the incoming administration, she said.


Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

se aspettano le mie rimangono a becco asciutto, a costo di perdere tutto.
 

Owblisky

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Nel caso di una ipotetica recovery attorno a 40, acquistando a 30 si rischia il dovuto.

Non hanno il "fisico" per ottenere un altra tosata del 60%.
Allo stato degli attuali dati conosciuti (economia, riserve, svalutazione, dollari sotto il mattone etc.) la situazione non ha la drammaticità che servirebbe per far accettare un taglio del 60%, imho.
 

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