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Un piccolo dato offertoci dagli :squalo: di turno.
I CDS di Anglo Irish Bank Corporation Limited offrono la copertura, secondo CMA, a 796 punti per le ordinarie mentre le subordinate quotano la stratosferica cifra di 2026.

Per fare un paragone: assicurarsi sul debito Irlandese siamo a 370 punti mentre quello Greco a 890.
In compenso, per sicurezza, potreste andare su un TdS del Perù (124 punti) a quanto sembra quasi al pari di quelli austriaci ...
 
BANK PLAN: THE GOVERNMENT has decided to wind down Anglo Irish Bank while seeking to secure its [euro]54 billion in deposits.
Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan said the Government has an estimated cost for its plan but did not disclose it.
The Government had decided against the good bank/bad bank option which had been favoured by the management of Anglo Irish Bank. "We do not believe that the creation of a new bank out of the wreckage of Anglo that will require additional capitalisation will necessarily result in any substantial additional benefit to the taxpayer," Mr Lenihan said.
The alternative plan unveiled yesterday means Anglo will not be involved in new lending. This in turn will mean a lower level of fresh capital will be required.
The Government has decided that Anglo should be broken into two banks, a funding bank or savings bank, and an asset-recovery bank. The Anglo name will disappear and the new banks will be rebranded.
"The guaranteed position of depositors will be unchanged by the new arrangements and no action is required of them," said Mr Lenihan.
The length of time taken to wind down the asset-recovery bank would depend on what was in the best interests of the exchequer.
Mr Lenihan said Financial Regulator Matthew Elderfield will decide how much capital the two new banks will need. That decision is expected by October and will give "as much certainty as is possible" about the final cost of dealing with Anglo.
The senior and subordinated bonds that are held by Anglo will go to the asset-recovery bank. Mr Lenihan said the State is not going to default on Anglo's senior bonds because of the threat that would pose to the State itself.
Commentary about defaulting on Anglo's debts was "very dangerous" as it caused people abroad to think the Government might be giving consideration to such a move, which it was not.
On the bank's [euro]2 billion-plus in subordinated debt, Mr Lenihan said it would be open to the new bank to seek to reduce it in value once it came out from under any guarantees. The bank has in the past conducted buy-backs of subordinated debt at discounted prices.
The details of the legal relationship between the two proposed banks has yet to be established. It is envisaged that the savings bank will buy bonds that will be issued by the asset-recovery bank.
Mr Lenihan said the discussions with the European Commission had led to it "coming to the same conclusions as ourselves" about what should happen with Anglo. The EU's state-aid rules were not a decisive factor.
The Government's decision, Mr Lenihan said, "puts certainty and finality over the whole Anglo story". When the regulator gives his view on the levels of capital required by the two new banks "we will have absolute certainty".
He said the interest rates Ireland is being charged on the international bond markets had not "bounced" the Government into making its decision but it had caused it to bring forward its announcement of the decision.
He said the asset-recovery bank, if well run and well managed, could achieve a return for the State.
He said Irish banks will be able to refund themselves. "There will be no cliff at the end of the month." As this became clearer it will in itself reassure the markets, he said.
He said the concerns of the markets were to do with the banking sector and not Ireland's public finances.
It is understood the department feared that depositors might have been prompted to move their funds from Anglo if there was a straightforward wind-down.
However, with the Government's plan it is hoped more depositors will leave their money where it is, as the deposits will be in a Government-owned bank. The savings will be "insulated" from risks associated with Anglo's loan book, Mr Lenihan said.
Originally published by COLM KEENA Public Affairs Correspondent.
(c) 2010 Irish Times. Provided by ProQuest LLC. All rights Reserved.

insomma il debito va a finire nella bad bank.il senior si salva ,per il subordinato si prevedono buyback e comunque misure per ridurlo.

Qualche buono spunto di subordinate AI. in chiusura OTC ieri sera, sempre partendo da livelli relativi, ovviamente.

Ad es. la 2017 XS0305277807 è rimbalzata dai minimi a 23,5 agli attuali 28 (bid ask 26,84 - 29,16).
 
BANK PLAN: THE GOVERNMENT has decided to wind down Anglo Irish Bank while seeking to secure its [euro]54 billion in deposits.
Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan said the Government has an estimated cost for its plan but did not disclose it.
The Government had decided against the good bank/bad bank option which had been favoured by the management of Anglo Irish Bank. "We do not believe that the creation of a new bank out of the wreckage of Anglo that will require additional capitalisation will necessarily result in any substantial additional benefit to the taxpayer," Mr Lenihan said.
The alternative plan unveiled yesterday means Anglo will not be involved in new lending. This in turn will mean a lower level of fresh capital will be required.
The Government has decided that Anglo should be broken into two banks, a funding bank or savings bank, and an asset-recovery bank. The Anglo name will disappear and the new banks will be rebranded.
"The guaranteed position of depositors will be unchanged by the new arrangements and no action is required of them," said Mr Lenihan.
The length of time taken to wind down the asset-recovery bank would depend on what was in the best interests of the exchequer.
Mr Lenihan said Financial Regulator Matthew Elderfield will decide how much capital the two new banks will need. That decision is expected by October and will give "as much certainty as is possible" about the final cost of dealing with Anglo.
The senior and subordinated bonds that are held by Anglo will go to the asset-recovery bank. Mr Lenihan said the State is not going to default on Anglo's senior bonds because of the threat that would pose to the State itself.
Commentary about defaulting on Anglo's debts was "very dangerous" as it caused people abroad to think the Government might be giving consideration to such a move, which it was not.
On the bank's [euro]2 billion-plus in subordinated debt, Mr Lenihan said it would be open to the new bank to seek to reduce it in value once it came out from under any guarantees. The bank has in the past conducted buy-backs of subordinated debt at discounted prices.
The details of the legal relationship between the two proposed banks has yet to be established. It is envisaged that the savings bank will buy bonds that will be issued by the asset-recovery bank.
Mr Lenihan said the discussions with the European Commission had led to it "coming to the same conclusions as ourselves" about what should happen with Anglo. The EU's state-aid rules were not a decisive factor.
The Government's decision, Mr Lenihan said, "puts certainty and finality over the whole Anglo story". When the regulator gives his view on the levels of capital required by the two new banks "we will have absolute certainty".
He said the interest rates Ireland is being charged on the international bond markets had not "bounced" the Government into making its decision but it had caused it to bring forward its announcement of the decision.
He said the asset-recovery bank, if well run and well managed, could achieve a return for the State.
He said Irish banks will be able to refund themselves. "There will be no cliff at the end of the month." As this became clearer it will in itself reassure the markets, he said.
He said the concerns of the markets were to do with the banking sector and not Ireland's public finances.
It is understood the department feared that depositors might have been prompted to move their funds from Anglo if there was a straightforward wind-down.
However, with the Government's plan it is hoped more depositors will leave their money where it is, as the deposits will be in a Government-owned bank. The savings will be "insulated" from risks associated with Anglo's loan book, Mr Lenihan said.
Originally published by COLM KEENA Public Affairs Correspondent.
(c) 2010 Irish Times. Provided by ProQuest LLC. All rights Reserved.
insomma il debito va a finire nella bad bank.il senior si salva ,per il subordinato si prevedono buyback e comunque misure per ridurlo.



letta cosí. la situazione non semmbra irreparabile.


in questa situazione abbiamo una nuova banca, che prende tutte le obbligazioni in pancia, senior e subordinate.

lo stato poi garantirá le senior. ma se non paga le subordinate, defoltano anche le senior, e lo stato poi deve sganciare parecchi soldini.

ragionamento valido sempre se non cambino le regole sul tavolo.


ma se cambiano le regole, chi li compra poi gli LT2 di Bank of Ireland, o di Allied Irish ??????


addirittura dicono che prima o poi pensano che questa banca gli faccia guadagnare qualche cosa, quindi prevedono un utile (qui ci credo poco)



cmq guardando al caso Northern Rock, la situazione é molto simile, ora la cosí detta bad bank é in utile, e serve le Lt2 e se continua di sto passo va a finire che si riprendono anche le p.





cmq stiamo a vedere SITUAZIONE MOLTO INGARBUGLIATA
 
Anglo Irish Subordinated Bonds Jump on Buyback Request, Split

September 09, 2010, 7:09 AM EDT

By John Glover
Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Bonds of Anglo Irish Bank Corp., the nationalized lender, jumped after an official said the bank asked for approval to buy back subordinated debt and the government announced plans to split the bank into two parts.
The lender’s 750 million euros ($950 million) of floating- rate notes due 2017 soared 6.5 cents on the euro to 27.5 cents, equivalent to a 31 percent gain, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The Dublin-based lender’s 500 million euros of floating- rate notes due 2016 also rose, increasing to 28.5 cents on the euro from 26.5 cents, the data show.
Anglo Irish Chief Financial Officer Maarten van Eden said yesterday that the bank asked regulators for approval to buy back subordinated debt. The lender, which lost 20 billion euros in two years as property loans soured, will be divided into so- called good and bad banks, Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said yesterday, without specifying how the debt would be allocated.
“The recovery for subordinated bondholders is bound to be limited,” said Eleonore Lamberty, a credit analyst at ING Bank NV in Amsterdam. “Senior debt, being a prime financing source, is very likely to be transferred to the funding bank,” she said, referring to the good bank owned and guaranteed by the state that will continue to operate.
An asset-recovery bank will be run down over time, Ireland’s Lenihan said.
Tender Takeup
In July last year, Anglo Irish tendered for seven subordinated bonds, offering to pay 27 percent to 55 percent of face value for the securities. Bondholders took up the offer, selling back as much as 98 percent of a so-called Tier 1 note and as little as 52 percent of a lower Tier 2 security.
“We’re still waiting to hear if a subordinated bond buyback or exchange will happen,” said Bill Blain, co-head of fixed income at Matrix Corporate Capital LLP in London. “If it does, then get out.”
A buyback or exchange is likely to take place at about 30 percent of par, Blain said.
Credit-default swaps on the bank’s subordinated debt fell 1.4 percentage points to 41.6 percent upfront and 5 percent a year, meaning it costs 4.16 million euros in advance and 500,000 euros annually to insure 10 million euros of debt for five years. The contracts imply a 72.3 percent likelihood of default within five years.
 
Ireland Sells 400 Million Euros of Bills; Glas Calls Auction `Success'

By Louisa Fahy - Sep 9, 2010 12:32 PM GMT+0200 Thu Sep 09 10:32:03 GMT 2010


Ireland sold 400 million euros ($509 million) of treasury bills at the lower end of forecast amounts a day after the government said it will split Anglo Irish Bank Corp. to stabilize the cost of the bank bailout.
The National Treasury Management Agency, which manages the government’s assets and liabilities, sold 150.1 million euros of securities due Feb. 14, 2011, at an average yield of 1.925 percent, compared with a yield of 1.978 percent at an Aug. 26 sale. The agency also sold 250 million euros of April 18, 2011, debt at an average yield of 2.19 percent, down from 2.348 percent. The agency said earlier this week it would sell 400 million euros to 600 million euros of bills.
Irish bond spreads rose to a record in the past month amid uncertainty over how much it will cost to bail out Anglo Irish. Ireland said yesterday that the nationalized lender will be split into a so-called good bank, which will retain the bank’s deposits, and an asset recovery bank, which will run down its loans over time.
The auction was “reasonable and better than expected,” analysts at fixed-income specialist Glas Securities in Dublin said in an e-mail. “While the size is at the lower end of the amount offered, the bid to cover is good and more importantly the fall in the average yield since the last Treasury Bill auction was much better than anticipated given the recent trading levels.”
Investors bid for 9.4 times the Feb. 2011 securities and 5.4 times the April 2011 debt. That compares with 10.1 times and 4.1 times at the Aug. 26 sale, respectively.
Anglo Irish
Standard & Poor’s last month said Ireland may have to pump as much as 35 billion euros into Anglo Irish, which collapsed last year as the country’s property market slumped.
Ireland has already pumped 22.9 billion euros into the bank and Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said the final price will be “manageable.” Lenihan said in an interview with Dublin-based Newstalk radio today that Ireland won’t need to tap the European Union-led 750 billion-euro fund set up to aid indebted nations.
The premium investors charge to hold Irish 10-year debt over the German equivalent, Europe’s benchmark, narrowed to 366.5 basis points today, from 371.3 points yesterday, almost nine times its average over the last decade.
Ireland will hold its next auction of treasury bills on Sept. 23, according to the statement. The government is scheduled to hold its next bond sale on Sept. 21.



(Bloomberg)
 
letta cosí. la situazione non semmbra irreparabile.


in questa situazione abbiamo una nuova banca, che prende tutte le obbligazioni in pancia, senior e subordinate.

lo stato poi garantirá le senior. ma se non paga le subordinate, defoltano anche le senior, e lo stato poi deve sganciare parecchi soldini.

ragionamento valido sempre se non cambino le regole sul tavolo.


ma se cambiano le regole, chi li compra poi gli LT2 di Bank of Ireland, o di Allied Irish ??????


addirittura dicono che prima o poi pensano che questa banca gli faccia guadagnare qualche cosa, quindi prevedono un utile (qui ci credo poco)



cmq guardando al caso Northern Rock, la situazione é molto simile, ora la cosí detta bad bank é in utile, e serve le Lt2 e se continua di sto passo va a finire che si riprendono anche le p.





cmq stiamo a vedere SITUAZIONE MOLTO INGARBUGLIATA

hai dato un occhio alle lt2 su bloomberg? iw stamattina non vedeva alcuna controparte, parlo della 2014
 
stanno salendo entrame

2014 37 denaro 39 lettera

2017 29,5 denaro 31,5 lettera


controparte Hsbc che iw ha. alle volte sdi tolgono e rimettono.

ora riprovo, grazie :up:

edit: confermo, 39 lettera sulla 2014, unica controparte

edit2: sull'acquisto, lettera salita a 41
 

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