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o anche no, non si parlava di alcuni velivoli intorno al jet della malaysia?
mi sembra Ustica.

Mi pare improbabile che sia stato abbattuto da un altro aereo e nel caso penso sarebbe stato cmq tramite un missile aria-aria e non a mitragliate com'era d'uso ai tempi del barone rosso.
 
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Mi pare improbabile che sia stato abbattuto da un altro aereo e nel caso penso sarebbe stato cmq tramite un missile aria-aria e non a mitragliate com'era d'uso ai tempi del barone rosso.

non so nulla di aeronautica. ma per un caccia un jet come quello penso sia un bersaglio fin troppo facile. certo: cui prodest?
boh, si fa per parlare, penso che la verità "vera" avrà bisogno di molto tempo.
 
Solo un missile terra aria (dei più sofisticati) può colpire a quell'altezza.

Se c'è dell'altro, le ipotesi si possono allargare.

Concordo.
Posto articolo Reuters che mi pare informativo e abbastanza equilibrato -- ipotesi più accreditata sembrerebbe missile terra aria con testata a frammentazione

Malaysia: Dutch report suggests MH-17 shot down from ground

(Reuters) - Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke apart over Ukraine due to impact from a large number of fragments, the Dutch Safety Board said on Tuesday, in a report that Malaysia's prime minister and several experts said suggested it was shot down from the ground.
The crash over pro-Russian rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine on July 17 killed 298 people, two thirds of them from the Netherlands.
Ukraine and Western countries accuse the rebels of shooting it down with an advanced, Russian-made missile. The main rebel leader repeated earlier assertions that his forces did not possess such weapons.
The report said MH17 crashed due to a "large number of high-energy objects" penetrating the fuselage. "There are no indications that the MH17 crash was caused by a technical fault or by actions of the crew," it said.
Although the report did not mention a missile, impact with a large number of fragments would be consistent with a "proximity" warhead, designed to explode in the air and hurl shrapnel at its target, said Tim Ripley, a defense analyst with Jane's Defense Weekly magazine.
Such warheads can be fitted to a number of missiles, including the Russian-made BUK surface-to-air missile that Ukraine and Western allies, including the United States, say was fired by separatists who probably hit the airliner by accident.
"The preliminary report suggests that high energy objects penetrated the aircraft and led it to break up midair," Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said in a statement. "This leads to the strong suspicion that a surface-to-air missile brought MH17 down, but further investigative work is needed before we can be certain," he added.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said it was still too early to assign blame: "We need to be careful not to draw conclusion too quickly," he told journalists. "The Netherlands is leading an investigation. Step-by-step, the experts are working to reach irrefutable conclusions."
A final report by the board is not expected until mid 2015. The Netherlands is also running a separate investigation into the possibility of criminal charges against suspected culprits.
Russian authorities have suggested in the past that other theories were possible, including that the plane may have been shot down from the air. However, the report found no military aircraft in the vicinity.
"It's consistent with a hit by a ground missile," said Joris Melkert, a lecturer in aerospace engineering at the Technical University of Delft. "What could cause a pattern of high velocity particles 10 kilometers up in the sky? As far as I can see, the only thing that could do that is a rocket," he said. "The report finds there were only three other aircraft in the vicinity: two Boeing 777s and one Airbus A330, so both civilian, which makes the surface-to-air missile more likely."
WAR ZONE
The investigation has been difficult because the crash took place in a war zone. Dutch investigators were unable to reach the crash site because of fighting between pro-Russian militants and Ukrainian government forces. A small number of Malaysian inspectors did reach the site.
Malaysian authorities handed over some of the wreckage for examination, but a site visit would greatly help the Dutch-led investigation, said Tjibbe Joustra, head of the Safety Board.
"There are elements we are interested in. The cockpit is very important because a lot of those objects penetrated the cockpit, he said, adding that flight instruments also contain data not registered by the flight data recorders.
A series of photographs of the wreckage detailed in the report showed multiple shrapnel impacts. The early findings were based on data retrieved from the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder, satellite and other images, and radar information.
Joustra said the investigators had found no evidence that the flight recorders were tampered with. The recorders were recovered by rebels and turned over to Malaysia. Kiev and its Western allies, including the United States, say separatists were supplied from Russia with a BUK, an advanced system with large missiles that have enough range to hit an airliner at cruising height.
The separatists have mostly denied ever possessing such missiles, although one separatist leader told Reuters in July that they did in fact have one on the day the plane was shot down. Moscow denies supplying the rebels with weapons.
"I can say only one thing. We just don't have the (military) equipment which could bring down a passenger Boeing, including this Malaysian plane," Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the rebel self-declared Donetsk People's Republic said on Tuesday.
U.S. President Barack Obama said the day after the crash that "evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that was launched from an area that is controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine".
The Dutch report is "an initial, provisional sequence of events" and it could take up to a year for a final report to be concluded, the board said.
Nearly two months after the crash, Tuesday's release is several weeks past a 4 week timeframe generally required by the International Civil Aviation Organization. Extra time was given due to the complex nature of the MH17 case.
(Reporting by Anthony Deutsch; Additional reporting by Thomas Escritt and Peter Graff; Editing by Peter Graff)

Malaysia: Dutch report suggests MH-17 shot down from ground | Reuters
 
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non per polemizzare, nella Tua accertata analisi hai trascurato due punti che mi sembrano importanti:
a) dalla miliardata di aiuti alla povera Ucraina colano rivoli di grasso che imbratta le tasche di funzionari , portaborse, consulenti e politicucci che siedono nei centri di potere a nostre spese e a nostro danno.
b)la sposa Ucraina più che malata di cancro, mi pare una bagasciona con gravi malattie veneree. Ogni persona sana di mente starebbe ben alla larga e si guarerebbe bene dal dare fastidio al Sr. Putin:wall::wall::wall::wall:
:lol::lol::lol: sei un grande, concordo pienamente con te. mi piace soprattutto il punto b). non potevi rendere meglio il concetto. complimenti :clap::clap::up::up:
 
Solo un missile terra aria (dei più sofisticati) può colpire a quell'altezza.

Se c'è dell'altro, le ipotesi si possono allargare.

Malaysian Airlines MH17 hit with ?high-energy objects?: Report
ricordate l'articolo sull'intervista del pilota ucraino a un giornale tedesco, poco dopo l'abbattimento, nel quale affermava di aver sparato alla cabina di pilotaggio? e l'articolo dell'editorialista americano che affermava che i servizi americani avevano le prove della presenza di un caccia ucraino vicino all'aereo Malaysian? non è un pò strano i termini ambigui usati nel comunicato? se accertato l'abbattimento da parte dell'Ucraina, i bond russi in generale ne dovrebbero beneficiare penso. vediamo cosa ne salta fuori alla fine.
 

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