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troppidebiti

Forumer storico
Il vero problema per i creditori è che i bond di Dubai World non sono garantiti dal governo. Nel prospetto informativo diffuso qualche mese fa c'è chiaramente scritto che "il governo di Dubai non ha obblighi legali rispetto all'indebitamento delle società controllate". Un bel guaio in caso di un eventuale default.


ihihih geniale

cmq siete piuttosto ottimisti per le banche inglesi non lo vedo così idilliaco il quadretto:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: basta vedere che ha fatto lloyds nell' ultima seduta:lol::lol::lol:
 

Comandante Gerard

Forumer storico
Riporto qua dall'ottimo...Informazione Scorretta
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Comprate bond di Dubai, disse Barclay il 4/11

"Un ottimo investimento", questo era quello che dicevano ai loro clienti ed investitori gli uomini di Barclay Capital ed altre banche, parlando degli strumenti finanziari collegati al debito di Dubai.

Possiamo faclmente immaginare le telefonate e le riunioni: "il momento peggiore della crisi è ormai passato, il mercato si sta riprendendo, Dubai ha tenuto bene e la ripresa del settore immobiliare è gia' ripartita proprio dal piccolo emirato. Un investimento altamente speculativo e al contempo praticamente sicuro per voi ed i vostri soldi. Molti altri lo hanno già fatto, sottoscrivete ora.."

Il brillante suggerimento risale al report del 4 novembre 2009, proprio il giorno in cui Moody's, si rese conto che non era più possibile nascondere l'odore di carogna che arrivava dall'emirato e taglio' il rating su cinque entità finanziarie legate a Dubai.

Così il report datato 4 Novembre, ne raccogliamo alcune perle:
Ci aspettiamo una serie di sviluppi che potrebbero fungere da catalizzatori positivi per gli spread legati al debito del fondo sovrano di Dubai
In primo luogo, c'e' la probabile restituzione del debito del sukuk Nakheel entro dicembre
Dicesi probabilità: numero di casi favorevoli su numero di casi possibili.

Qualcuno lo spieghi agli analisti di Barclay.
Sulla base di questi fattori, raccomandiamo una posizione lunga sul credito del fondo sovrano di Dubai e riteniamo l'andamento negativo dei prezzi come un'opportunita' di guadagno
Ehi, guarda, un'opportunità di guadagno. La crisi è finita..
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Per fortuna...oggi Dubai World ha annunciato una moratoria di sei mesi sul debito FACTBOX: Dubai World faces restructuring, debt standstill | U.S. | Reuters, il bond 2014 della Dubai Holding (pur non essendo direttamente coinvolta) precipita da 84 a 62 DUBAI HLDG COMM.O. 07/14 (WKN A0LL9D, ISIN XS0285303821) - Profil - ARIVA.DE

Denaro molto volatile fra i 57 ed i 63 dipendendo dal mercato tedesco preso in esame... la lettera non si schioda da quota 63,5-64...
 

Capirex85

Value investor
Denaro molto volatile fra i 57 ed i 63 dipendendo dal mercato tedesco preso in esame... la lettera non si schioda da quota 63,5-64...

Il mercato è convinto che Abu Dhabi interverrà per salvare la barracca... e ne sono convinto anche io, ma non penso che salveranno tutta la baracca, perchè i fatti fino a oggi smentiscono quest'ipotesti.


Dubai Default Swaps Show No Distress on Abu Dhabi’s Bailouts

By Laura Cochrane and Ben Sills

Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai’s debt risk, after jumping the most last week since January, is still below the level signaling a potential failure as investors expect the emirate will be rescued by oil-rich neighbor Abu Dhabi.
The cost of protecting against Dubai’s government reneging on obligations doubled last week after state company Dubai World, with $59 billion of liabilities, sought a “standstill” agreement from creditors. Investors demand $647,000 a year to insure $10 million of Dubai debt, less than the price of $1 million, or 1,000 basis points, associated with borrowers considered distressed.
Dubai triggered the biggest stock market slump in three months in Asia and Europe’s worst rout since April as the proposal for Dubai World risked adding to the $1.7 trillion of losses and writedowns suffered by banks in the global credit crisis. Commerzbank AG, Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Banque Saudi Fransi, the Saudi lender partly owned by Credit Agricole SA, say Abu Dhabi is likely to bail out Dubai rather than risk driving investors from the region because of a default.
“I’m not desperately worried that we’re going to go into some death spiral,” said Nicholas Field, who helps manage about $11 billion in emerging-market stocks at Schroders Plc in London. “This is not going to turn into some sort of major prolonged move downward.”
The price of Dubai credit-default swaps implies a 24 percent chance the emirate will default on its debt by December 2014, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. data compiled by Bloomberg.
Central Bank
The United Arab Emirates’ central bank said yesterday it “stands behind” the country’s local and foreign banks and offered them access to more money under a new facility. The Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc was the biggest underwriter of loans to Dubai World while HSBC Holdings Plc has the most at risk in the U.A.E., according to JPMorgan.
The announcement “is a step in the right direction, but this is a bare minimum,” John Sfakianakis, the chief economist at Banque Saudi Fransi in Riyadh, said in an interview yesterday. “This is only dealing with the domestic banking system and they have not yet made any announcement dealing with the debt of Dubai Inc.”
$10 Billion
The central bank, which has its headquarters in Abu Dhabi, the wealthiest of the seven sheikhdoms that make up the U.A.E., bought $10 billion of Dubai bonds in February in a private sale to support the emirate’s state companies. Abu Dhabi-controlled banks added a further $5 billion last week. The assistance is short of the $20 billion Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al-Maktoum, Dubai’s ruler, said he planned to raise by yearend.
Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, who chairs the Supreme Fiscal Committee in charge of apportioning financial support to ailing companies, said last week that Dubai’s government announced the Dubai World debt plan in the “full knowledge of how the markets would react” and will provide more information “early” this week, after the Islamic Eid Al Adha holiday.
“There is a strong incentive for Dubai to support its investment companies to ensure an eventual, if not necessarily timely, repayment of its debts,” Luis Costa, an emerging-market debt strategist at Commerzbank in London, said in research report Nov. 27.
Tourist Center
Sheikh Mohammed transformed Dubai from a desert emirate to a financial and tourist center with iconic building projects that included a real-snow ski slope and the world’s tallest tower and biggest man-made islands.
Dubai has a total $4.3 billion of government and corporate debt due next month and $4.9 billion in the first quarter of 2010, Deutsche Bank AG data show.
Dubai World had $59.3 billion in liabilities and $99.6 billion in assets at the end of 2008, subsidiary Nakheel Development Ltd. said in an August statement. The government sought a “standstill” agreement from creditors last week on debt that includes $3.52 billion of bonds due Dec. 14 from Dubai World’s property unit Nakheel PJSC.
Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s cut their ratings on Dubai state companies, saying they may consider Dubai World’s plan to delay payments a default.
Creditors
Dubai World’s biggest creditors outside the emirate include Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank, which is owed about $1.9 billion, according to two people familiar with the situation who declined to be identified because the information isn’t publicly available. British banks have the most to lose among international lenders from a crisis in the U.A.E., with a combined $49.5 billion of loans outstanding, according to a report from Royal Bank of Scotland Group that cites Bank for International Settlements data in June.
Sheikh Mohammed said Nov. 9 that those who doubt the unity of Dubai and Abu Dhabi, which holds 8 percent of the world’s oil reserves, should “shut up.”
The cost of protecting Dubai bonds against default is the fifth-highest worldwide after Pakistan and Argentina, and exceeds Iceland’s and Latvia’s, according to CMA Datavision prices. Default swaps on Dubai World unit DP World Ltd., the Middle East’s biggest port operator, jumped by a record to 744 basis points last week.
The contracts, which increase as perceptions of credit quality deteriorate, pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a company fail to adhere to its debt agreements. One basis point, or 0.01 percentage point, is equivalent to $1,000 a year on a contract protecting $10 million of debt.
While volatility is likely to “dissipate fairly quickly,” Commerzbank said there’s a higher likelihood of spreads widening over the next four weeks than tightening.
Bonds Fall
Dubai’s dollar-denominated Islamic bonds due 2014 dropped to 89 cents on the dollar yesterday from 101 cents a week earlier, according to Royal Bank of Scotland data on Bloomberg. The decline pushed yields on the debt to 9.226 percent, below the 10 percent level considered distressed by investors. The government sold the bonds last month, raising $1.93 billion.
The price of Nakheel’s bonds fell to 50 cents on the dollar on Nov. 27 from 110.5 cents a week earlier, according to Citigroup Inc. prices on Bloomberg.
“Will the U.A.E. allow Dubai to default? For Dubai World, the answer seems absolutely yes,” said David Lewis, an emerging-market credit analyst in global research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in London. “For the Dubai sovereign itself, we would think that Abu Dhabi would be very reluctant to see it default.” (questa è l'ipotesi che avevamo elaborato ieri con mark... ndr)
‘Burden Sharing’
Sheikh Mohammed earlier this month removed the chairmen of Dubai Holding LLC and Dubai World, two state- owned business groups, as well as the head of the U.A.E.’s biggest developer Emaar Properties PJSC from the board of the Investment Corp. of Dubai, the emirate’s main holding company. He also ejected the governor of the Dubai International Financial Centre, Omar Bin Sulaiman, who had led efforts to transform Dubai into the Middle East finance hub.
“A fairly high degree of ‘burden sharing’ might be required from the investor base,” Commerzbank’s Costa said. “Given the levels of haircut in other recent emerging-market restructuring deals, a 40 to 50 percent destruction of principal would not be absurd at all.”
Sergio Trigo Paz, chief investment officer for emerging markets at Fortis Investments, the asset management unit of Fortis Bank SA/NV, which oversees $244 million globally, said he’s considering buying Nakheel’s bonds. Fortis bought bonds of Kazakhstan’s biggest lender BTA Bank, which is seeking to restructure as much as $13.3 billion of debt, Trigo Paz said. He also holds Qatar and Kuwait bonds.
“Some people are betting that buying Nakheel under 50 is a very good six-month trade,” Trigo Paz said in an interview. “We are actually doing some shopping on the collateral damage with very good sovereigns. We are starting to look at Nakheel.”
 

Imark

Forumer storico

Il mercato è convinto che Abu Dhabi interverrà per salvare la barracca... e ne sono convinto anche io, ma non penso che salveranno tutta la baracca, perchè i fatti fino a oggi smentiscono quest'ipotesti.


Dubai Default Swaps Show No Distress on Abu Dhabi’s Bailouts

By Laura Cochrane and Ben Sills

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Considera peraltro che il bond in questione è di una delle agenzie governative... ;) che, nel ns. ragionamento, non verrebbe probabilmente salvata, ove fosse anch'essa in difficoltà...
 

Capirex85

Value investor
Considera peraltro che il bond in questione è di una delle agenzie governative... ;) che, nel ns. ragionamento, non verrebbe probabilmente salvata, ove fosse anch'essa in difficoltà...

Si, i "titoli di stato" di Dubai infatti quotano a livelli ben più alti come sottolinea l'articolo, penso siano simili a quelli che Abu Dhabi ha fatto sottoscrivere alle sue banche e quelli probabilmente non defaulteranno.

Certo che vedere quotare negli ultimi mesi certa monnezza a certi prezzi, ad es il bond della controllata che opera nel real estate a 110 prima dell'annuncio della moratoria, fa riflettere su quanto sia sopravvalutato l'obbligazionario e specialmente l'HY in questo momento. A causa dell'euforia il mercato ha ripreso a guardare solo al rendimento e non alle probabilità di ritorno del principale, smettendo di essere selettivo...:rolleyes:
 

iuessei1981

greed is good
Dubai: Governo Non Garantira' Debito Dubai World



lunedì, 30 novembre 2009 - 13:22 CET
(ASCA-AFP) - Dubai, 30 nov - Il governo di Dubai non garantira' i debiti di Dubai World. Lo ha annunciato il capo dipartimento delle Finanze del Dubai, Abdulrahman al-Saleh.
 

Giontra

Forumer storico
La lista dei paesi creditori degli United Arab Emirates, di cui fa parte Dubai (fonte: Credit Suisse, che cita a sua volta la BIS, Bank for International Settlements)

United Kingdom: $50.2 billion
France: $11.3 billion
Germany: $10.6 billion
United States: $10.6 billion
Japan: $9.0 billion
Switzerland: $4.6 billion
Netherlands: $4.5 billion

E questa e' la lista delle banche creditrici degli United Arab Emirates (fonte: Credit Suisse, che cita a sua volta Emirates Bank Association):

HSBC Bank Middle East Limited: $17.0 billion
Standard Chartered Bank: $7.8 billion
Barclays Bank Plc: $3.6 billion
ABN-Amro (RBS): $2.1 billion
Arab Bank Plc: $2.1 billion
Citibank: $1.9 billion
Bank of Baroda: $1.8 billion
Bank Saderat Iran: $1.7 billion
BNP Paribas: $1.7 billion
Lloyds: $1.6 billion
 

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