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Kuwait sempre dal ft

Buoyed by inflows of petrodollars and cheap credit, Kuwait’s finance houses have been aggressive investors in regional and international markets in the past decade, snapping up trophy assets in everything from luxury car brand Aston Martin to property and stocksBut the financial crisis has starkly exposed a toxic mismatch between short-term loans and often illiquid assets whilst also highlighting a reliance on paper investment gains rather than asset management or brokerage fees, or recurring revenue from portfolio ­companies.
The sector’s woes are not new. Problems first emerged towards the end of 2008 and two of the largest finance houses are now tentatively emerging from restructuring after defaulting in the wake of the collapse of Lehman Brothers.
However, bankers say the rest of the bloated sector has yet to tackle its debt woes, depressing lending and weighing on the oil-rich emirate’s economy.
“The investment companies suffered last year and are still suffering now,” says Majdi Gharzeddeene, head of research at Kamco, the asset manager of a large investment company. “They have a huge debt problem.”
Until recently, all that was needed to receive a licence from the central bank was KD15m ($52m) in capital and, over the past decade, the number of registered Kuwaiti investment companies ballooned to 100Most are vehicles for local banks, companies and merchant families to borrow and invest in stocks, private equity and real estate, with little regulation or supervision from the central bank. Some are conventional investment houses whileothers follow Islamic sharia principles.
Common to all of them were freewheeling investment strategies that swelled the sector’s total assets from $16.5bn in 2004 to a peak of $52bn in 2007, according to Kamco research.
While the value of assets has since shrunk to $47bn by September 2009, analysts and bankers say the true extent of the global financial crash has yet to be ­recognised by investment companies.
Meanwhile, liabilities have remained relatively steady at about $31bn.
Global Investment House and The Investment Dar were early casualties, defaulting on international loans and bonds at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009.
Global has reached an agreement with its creditors and people familiar with the matter say Investment Dar may emerge from a restructuring within a month. While both look like they will survive, many other investment companies could, in reality, be insolvent, bankers and analysts warn.
“Global and Investment Dar are the big ones but they’re far from the only problem,” says a senior Kuwait-based banker.
“No one’s talking about the many smaller investment companies, which jointly probably have multi-billion dinar balance sheets but are facing serious ­problemsInternational bankers say that, rather than facing up to the fact that many investment companies may never be able to repay their debts, clean up their balance sheets and rebuild capital bases, local banks are merely rolling over loans to avoid embarrassing themselves and their clients – a common practice in the Gulf.
“Banks are pushing as much as possible under the carpet, restructuring and rescheduling loans so they don’t have the true extent of the hits, and the central bank is tacitly allowing it,” a Kuwait-based analyst says.
As a result, Kuwaiti banks have had to cut back on lending, hurting the private sector at a time when the government is rolling out ambitious projects that may need financing if they are implemented.
Apart from shareholders hoping for dividends, few are worried about the local banks. All can expect central bank support and should be able to raise capital either privately or from the government.
However, the survival of the Kuwaiti investment company model is more doubtful, bankers and analysts say.
“Only a handful should survive and grow,” says a senior analyst. “The rest may not become insolvent but will gradually see their balance sheet shrinking, [and they will] eventually [get] out of the field.”
 
Mi sembra che entrambe siano in leggera risalita . Ci sono nuove ?

Approfitto per dire che la Taqa 2013 in euro (sempre Xtrakter ieri sera) sta ora 98,91 - 99,84 last 99,45 mentre Dubai Holding (retail tedesco oggi) è tornata indietro e si prende fra i 66 ed i 67.... ;)[/QUOTE]messagio risalente al 20.01.2010
 
Mi sembra che entrambe siano in leggera risalita . Ci sono nuove ?

Approfitto per dire che la Taqa 2013 in euro (sempre Xtrakter ieri sera) sta ora 98,91 - 99,84 last 99,45 mentre Dubai Holding (retail tedesco oggi) è tornata indietro e si prende fra i 66 ed i 67.... ;)
messagio risalente al 20.01.2010[/QUOTE]

Taqa 2013 si è presa una valutazione di Moody's che ha ridotto di un notch il rating (il quale tuttavia resta su livelli molto alti, in considerazione di un supporto atteso da parte di Abu Dhabi sul quale sono state date le consuete rassicurazioni), però ha anche precisato che lo stesso rating, valutato su basi "stand alone" è BA (ossia Taqa sarebbe HY se non fosse per il sostegno di Abu Dhabi).

Ora, invero Abu Dhabi ha tirato fuori di tasca i soldi pure per il Dubai (finora), per cui è da ritenersi che - alla bisogna - supporterebbe Taqa.

Però il mercato, dopo le vicende di Dubai, con questa faccenda degli emirati che supportano a chiacchiere, ma non supportano ufficialmente nei prospetti dei bond, si gestiscono maluccio... ;)

Il Taqua 2013 XS0272947150 sta a 101,28 - 102 last 101,50... Xtrakter ieri sera... (la piattaforma riporta erroneamente Xtraker, ma è la stessa roba...)
 
Grazie , recepito ...! Taqa l' ho fatta a suo tempo a 98 e x il mom me la tengo ; Sarei da lungo leggeremnte tentato su Dubai Holding ma vediamo come se la gestiscono con Dubai World e se "carpe diem".:D

Taqa 2013 si è presa una valutazione di Moody's che ha ridotto di un notch il rating (il quale tuttavia resta su livelli molto alti, in considerazione di un supporto atteso da parte di Abu Dhabi sul quale sono state date le consuete rassicurazioni), però ha anche precisato che lo stesso rating, valutato su basi "stand alone" è BA (ossia Taqa sarebbe HY se non fosse per il sostegno di Abu Dhabi).

Ora, invero Abu Dhabi ha tirato fuori di tasca i soldi pure per il Dubai (finora), per cui è da ritenersi che - alla bisogna - supporterebbe Taqa.

Però il mercato, dopo le vicende di Dubai, con questa faccenda degli emirati che supportano a chiacchiere, ma non supportano ufficialmente nei prospetti dei bond, si gestiscono maluccio... ;)

Il Taqua 2013 XS0272947150 sta a 101,28 - 102 last 101,50... Xtrakter ieri sera... (la piattaforma riporta erroneamente Xtraker, ma è la stessa roba...)
 
Ultima modifica di un moderatore:
qualcuno sa come sta evolvendo la faccenda?
tutti amici come prima?

Stanno elaborando una proposta di ristrutturazione del debito di Dubai World... per ora volano solo chiacchere.

L'ultima è quella per cui il vecchio debito verrebbe sostituito da nuovo debito ad interessi molto bassi o pari a zero, ma senza haircut (mentre inizialmente si parlava di haircut 40% e nuova carta a cedola contenuta).

Inoltre Abu Dhabi ha fatto sapere che Dubai non dovrebbe avere bisogno di altri soldi da parte loro nel ristrutturare il debito...
 
Stanno elaborando una proposta di ristrutturazione del debito di Dubai World... per ora volano solo chiacchere.

L'ultima è quella per cui il vecchio debito verrebbe sostituito da nuovo debito ad interessi molto bassi o pari a zero, ma senza haircut (mentre inizialmente si parlava di haircut 40% e nuova carta a cedola contenuta).

Inoltre Abu Dhabi ha fatto sapere che Dubai non dovrebbe avere bisogno di altri soldi da parte loro nel ristrutturare il debito...


grazie mille Mark!
insomma pian piano si stanno sistemando... anche se per il momento solo chiacchere
 
Dubai World Could Seek Eight Years to Repay Debt

Pare stia evolvendo cosi'....


LONDON—Dubai World may ask creditors for five to eight years to re-pay its $22 billion in debt as part of a restructuring proposal that could come as early as this week, people close to the matter say.

The Emirates-based, conglomerate and its creditors are also weighing a structure that would give creditors a share of the proceeds from asset sales, or possibly a share in future profit of the group, if it cannot fully meet its interest-payment obligations, one of these people said.Executives from members of the creditors' steering committee, which include Standard Chartered PLC, Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC and HSBC Holdings PLC, flew from London to Dubai last week where they held informal talks about the plan, people close to the matter said. The creditors' steering committee represents the interests of Dubai World's 90 lenders, and KPMG, an accounting and business-services firm, is representing it.A formal proposal could come this week, although a final solution to which all the parties agree could take several months to negotiate, the people said.

A spokeswoman for Dubai World declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Dubai's department of finance also declined to comment.

Extending the time-frame to re-pay the debt would be an alternative to a government-backed proposal that would pay creditors back much faster, but with a 40% "haircut" for creditors. U.K. banks favor a full repayment over a long time period, a person close to the matter said.

Dubai World representatives haven't indicated which assets they might be willing to sell in order to pay creditors. The conglomerate owns assets as varied as DP World, its giant ports operation, a $5 billion investment in a Las Vegas casino development with MGM Mirage, and a 20% stake in Canada's Cirque du Soleil Inc. performance troupe.

Dubai World, the investment vehicle for Dubai, shocked international markets in November when it announced it would seek a six-month standstill on its debts. In December, neighboring Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, extended Dubai $10 billion in funds, in addition to a separate $10 billion infusion by the UAE in February 2009
 

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