joubert
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Di fronte a questo scenario rivedo drasticamente al ribasso i miei livelli di entrata eventuale e mi unisco a russia e al comandante: prima di un 30% non si entra...
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Di fronte a questo scenario rivedo drasticamente al ribasso i miei livelli di entrata eventuale e mi unisco a russia e al comandante: prima di un 30% non si entra...
giub
New Membro
Certissimo.
Ma la situazione era chiara dall'inizio.
O dichiarare l'immediato dflt ( forse mia soluzione) o stabilire un piano di austerity e riforme concordato con la UE , che una volta approvato avesse comportato una tantum , per un solo Paese, la dichiarazione che il debito greco (una bazzeccola) veniva GARANTITO dagli altri Paesi UE.
Tertium non datur.
E chi lo spiega al meccanico di Augusta che lavora alla BMW e andrà in pensione a 107 anni che salvano con le sue tasse degli pseudoturchi ?
Sarebbe toccato alla POLITICA spiegarglielo:
1) facendogli vedere il piano di lacrime e sangue approvato da Atene.
2) Come dissi in un post precedente alla vedova di Carson City che aveva perso il marito ad Anzio o alla madre ebrea di New York che aveva perso il proprio figlio in Normandia gli è stato spiegato che ad Italia e Germania nel 1946 non si dovevano chiedere i legittimi danni di guerra, ma (con soldi americani) li si doveva aiutare.
Non perchè si voleva particolarmente bene ai tedeschi e agli italiani (anzi), ma perchè era di estremo INTERESSE per gli USA portare Germania ed Italia nella loro sfera di influenza.
Amorgos...i tuoi discorsi sono sempre affascinanti....e concordo sulle tue soluzioni....ma...
Ma che la situazione fosse chiara dall'inizio.....bè, ti ho riconosciuto doti "paranormali"
Perchè fare il bailout e bruciare 50 MLD? E i titoli in pancia BCE? E bruciare gli sforzi di Atene? Perchè tutte le autorità BCE, Trichet in testa, ad assicurare che quello che tu ritieni prevedibile fosse impossibile?
tommy271
Forumer storico
Non credo, non sarebbe veramente necessario così a lungo.
Ricordiamoci che se faranno una proposta ad adesione volontaria dovrà essere accettata ...
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tommy271
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giub
New Membro
Non faranno defaultare...ma ti convinceranno che è ristrutturazione...anche se in sostanza è la stessa identica cosa
Poi potrebbe essere che la Grecia divenga l'unica vittima sacrificale....durante la seconda guerra mondiale ogni volta che un partigiano colpiva un tedesco, questi rastrellavano e fucilavano 100 civili....così si guardavano bene dal fare altre operazioni del genere...
METHOS
Forumer storico
Di qualcosa di sicuro hanno parlato, le voci non partono dal nulla ma amplificano quasi sempre qualcosa in modo "viziato". Probabilmente l'idea di allungare le scadenze.
Bank of Greece rules out debt restructuring
(AFP) – 1 hour ago
ATHENS — A Greek debt restructuring is "neither necessary nor desirable," the head of the central bank said Monday as he called for faster structural reforms to keep up with the country's obligations.
"Such an option is neither necessary nor desirable," Bank of Greece governor George Provopoulos said in his annual report on the Greek economy.
"It is not necessary because we can meet our goals if we apply policies correctly. It is not desirable because it would have disastrous consequences on the access of the government and of businesses to international credit markets," Provopoulos said.
The central banker, a member of the board of the European Central Bank, said the recession-hit Greek economy was "on the edge" as structural reforms were still slow in relation to the country's rapidly-growing debt.
Greece's debt has exploded to 340 billion euros ($490 billion) and speculation is rife that the recession-hit eurozone member will seek a way to ease its repayments under a restructuring before long.
But the Socialist government has repeatedly insisted that such a move would damage the country's efforts to repair investor confidence which has been strained ever since a scare over the accuracy of its fiscal statistics in 2009.
Greece's main union GSEE meanwhile called a strike on May 11 over the Socialist government's austerity measures.
"We are calling a strike against the new round of measures," a union spokesperson told AFP.
Reflecting the growing speculation that Athens will have to restructure its debt, the rate of return on Greek benchmark 10-year government bonds jumped above 14 percent Monday for the first time since the eurozone was created.
Up from 13.712 percent on Friday, such levels are judged completely unsustainable and appear to price in expectations that the government will restructure the debt.
A former Greek prime minister who oversaw the country's eurozone accession a decade ago added his voice Sunday to calls to roll over Athens' crushing debt.
"A well-prepared restructuring will essentially improve our position," Costas Simitis said in an interview with To Vima weekly.
"The longer it delays, the greater the debt that cannot be restructured," the 74-year-old law professor argued.
Greece has already secured a repayment extension on its 110-billion-euro ($159-billion) bailout loan secured from the EU and the International Monetary Fund last year.
To help out, Athens' eurozone partners last month agreed to cut the cost for its EU-IMF bailout package by a full percentage point and extend its maturity to 7-1/2 years from three years.
But according to a number of reports, Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou last week broached the idea of extending the repayment period on the country's entire debt at a Eurogroup finance ministers meeting in Hungary.
"We are not discussing anything," the minister insisted this weekend.
"We are not discussing something regarding (Greek debt to) the private sector," he told reporters on the sidelines of the IMF and World Bank annual spring meetings in Washington.
Greece's economy is caught in a tailspin as it labours to enforce a draconian austerity programme mandated by the EU and IMF in return for last year's bailout.
Provopoulos forecast Monday that the recession will drag on this year, with output falling at least three percent, "without excluding a somewhat greater drop," he noted.
Unemployment -- which has soared to levels unseen in a decade -- will exceed 15 percent, the central banker said. Inflation will fall compared to last year but will still be close to 3.25 percent, Provopoulos said.
Bank of Greece rules out debt restructuring
(AFP) – 1 hour ago
ATHENS — A Greek debt restructuring is "neither necessary nor desirable," the head of the central bank said Monday as he called for faster structural reforms to keep up with the country's obligations.
"Such an option is neither necessary nor desirable," Bank of Greece governor George Provopoulos said in his annual report on the Greek economy.
"It is not necessary because we can meet our goals if we apply policies correctly. It is not desirable because it would have disastrous consequences on the access of the government and of businesses to international credit markets," Provopoulos said.
The central banker, a member of the board of the European Central Bank, said the recession-hit Greek economy was "on the edge" as structural reforms were still slow in relation to the country's rapidly-growing debt.
Greece's debt has exploded to 340 billion euros ($490 billion) and speculation is rife that the recession-hit eurozone member will seek a way to ease its repayments under a restructuring before long.
But the Socialist government has repeatedly insisted that such a move would damage the country's efforts to repair investor confidence which has been strained ever since a scare over the accuracy of its fiscal statistics in 2009.
Greece's main union GSEE meanwhile called a strike on May 11 over the Socialist government's austerity measures.
"We are calling a strike against the new round of measures," a union spokesperson told AFP.
Reflecting the growing speculation that Athens will have to restructure its debt, the rate of return on Greek benchmark 10-year government bonds jumped above 14 percent Monday for the first time since the eurozone was created.
Up from 13.712 percent on Friday, such levels are judged completely unsustainable and appear to price in expectations that the government will restructure the debt.
A former Greek prime minister who oversaw the country's eurozone accession a decade ago added his voice Sunday to calls to roll over Athens' crushing debt.
"A well-prepared restructuring will essentially improve our position," Costas Simitis said in an interview with To Vima weekly.
"The longer it delays, the greater the debt that cannot be restructured," the 74-year-old law professor argued.
Greece has already secured a repayment extension on its 110-billion-euro ($159-billion) bailout loan secured from the EU and the International Monetary Fund last year.
To help out, Athens' eurozone partners last month agreed to cut the cost for its EU-IMF bailout package by a full percentage point and extend its maturity to 7-1/2 years from three years.
But according to a number of reports, Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou last week broached the idea of extending the repayment period on the country's entire debt at a Eurogroup finance ministers meeting in Hungary.
"We are not discussing anything," the minister insisted this weekend.
"We are not discussing something regarding (Greek debt to) the private sector," he told reporters on the sidelines of the IMF and World Bank annual spring meetings in Washington.
Greece's economy is caught in a tailspin as it labours to enforce a draconian austerity programme mandated by the EU and IMF in return for last year's bailout.
Provopoulos forecast Monday that the recession will drag on this year, with output falling at least three percent, "without excluding a somewhat greater drop," he noted.
Unemployment -- which has soared to levels unseen in a decade -- will exceed 15 percent, the central banker said. Inflation will fall compared to last year but will still be close to 3.25 percent, Provopoulos said.
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amorgos34
CHIAGNI & FOTTI SRL
Ciao Christiane
,il dflt è uno stato di fatto non un concetto politico. Al dflt si ovvia con la GARANZIA di un terzo solvibile altrimenti inizia il tira e molla di questi semestri (davvero triste aggrapparsi ad una smorfia della Merkel)
Sai quanti sono entrati nei bond greci pensando "figurati se fanno fallire un paese UE, mica come l'Argentina che era un Paese a sè stante"
Tu sei sicuramente giovane ma sai cosa dicevano con l'Argentina i saputelli "figurati se gli americani con gli interessi enormi che hanno a Baires li lasciano fallire..."
Tutto qui.
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