AAAA47
Forumer storico
io ieri 4k di cct, rivenduti gia' oggi in gain
mi sento molto piu' tranquillo con le mie dexia e grecia
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io ieri 4k di cct, rivenduti gia' oggi in gain
mi sento molto piu' tranquillo con le mie dexia e grecia
pappacefalo
Forumer attivo
Fermati...non fare caz.zate!
Ti applicheresti da solo un haircut del 25%
Più di una qualsivoglia fantascientifica ristrutturazione o swap che mai si potrebbe vedere fatta dall'Italia.
E' poco meno dell'haircut di cui si favoleggia per la Grecia, e ancora dobbiamo vedere se avranno il coraggio di farlo attraverso uno swap obbligatorio o "spintaneo". Se i mercati continuano a crollare e il contagio dilaga secondo me dovranno capitolare ad un accordo informale con le sole banche e la quota "pubblica" in mano alla BCE.
L'Italia non fa default. Siamo troppo ligi, borghesi, zerbini ed europeisti.
Chiunque sia al governo sarebbe un fedele esecutore del volere dell'Europa.
Non c'è neanche bisogno di commissariarci.
A costo di vederci spremere come limoni ti pagano fino all'ultimo euro.
Preoccupati piuttosto che magari ti applicano una patrimoniale studiata in quattro e quattro 8 e magari con quella cifra ti capitale...magari ti chiedono una tantum un contributo di 5000 €. Come il 6 per mille di Amato....che su quella cifra che hai detto, tanto fa.... vabbe' magari la calcolano sul valore di mercato e non sul nominale, così paghi meno...
Si lo so che il prelievo forzoso di Amato avvenne su c/c e non su dossier titoli... ma così non vale, troppo facile eludere....e troppo iniquo...
Dirai: e se non li ho di liquidità che fanno mi vendono titoli in automatico per la somma equivalente? No... magari ti mandano una cartella esattoriale e li paghi con calma nel corso dell'anno fiscale.
Vabbe' ci puoi stare per salvare i tuoi btp. Che dovrei dire io che neanche li ho i BTP, se mi vengono a bussare a soldi...
Vabbe' se scendono ancora forse un pensierino ce lo faccio....
Ripeto scherzi a parte: non fare caz.zate e goditi i cedoloni. Fra un po' di tempo torneranno su...
Se poi vuoi farli diventare milioni di euro, vendi, compra azioni bancarie italiane e tieni.
Scherzo ovviamente! (Ma poi neanche tanto...ne sono convinto...ma tu non lo fare, non certo con quelle cifre)
Stokkettoooooooo!!! Ma cosa sono le tasse sul capitale di fronte a questo inferno???? Pure in banca mi hanno detto che a vendere ci rimetterei 400 mila adesso, perché il 2037, il 2021 e quasi tutti gli altri li ho comprati tutti pochi mesi dopo l'emissione...
pappacefalo
Forumer attivo
IL MARATONETA
Forumer storico
aria con-di-zio-nata .....dalle vendite e dalla pestilenza della zona euro....quella condizionata, come al solito ... chi e' tanto pazzo da uscire con questo caldo ?
AAAA47
Forumer storico
scusa se mi permetto...
mi sono sempre chiesto cosa passava per la testa di chi ha comprato a 100 un 2037 al 4% quando un tasso simile lo prendevi con scadenze molto piu' brevi
clary
Forumer attivo
il cosidetto ciuchino utilizzato per tradare cause alte volatilità .. anch'io ce l'ho in ptf ma a 85,6
tommy271
Forumer storico
Greek Ministers In Double Cordon From September
Greek ministers will be “caught” in a pincer movement of doubled controls in order to cover the gap of €4.5b in the state budget for the period January-June 2011.
Besides the huge shortfall of €3.27b in revenues, the Ministry of Finance is very concerned about the excess of operating expenses of ministries, insurance funds and local governments that reaches the amount of €1.23b for the six-month period.
FinMin officials appeared very upset in the case of two municipalities (Acharnon and Zografou), which almost blocked the approval of fifth instalment of the IMF because of two loans totaling €62 million.
Following the pressure from international lenders, the political leadership of the ministry plans a dynamic offensive both at domestic and European level.
Firstly, it would use the “technical assistance” provided by the European Union, which would monitor the preparation and the execution of the budget. Under yesterday’s agreement between FinMin E.Venizelos and Commissioner O.Rehn, European deputies are expected to arrive until the end of the month.
Monitoring units will arrive a little later to work on the implementation of the privatization program, the absorption of EU funds through the National Strategic Reference Framework, Greek healthcare system, the functioning of insurance system and the reform of public enterprises.
However, the delicate term of technical assistance loses any sense, considering that the monitoring teams would work with the structure of project management. Each team will set objectives and assessing the performance on quarterly basis together with the competent minister.
Secondly, the Greek monitoring authorities, established for each ministry and public organization, never worked properly. The European Commission has already warned Greece. In a report about the fifth aid instalment, it emphasizes that these authorities are based on a legislative framework and are sufficiently staffed, therefore they should activate immediately in order to minimize any fiscal deviations in the state budget.
Greek FinMin committed that the authorities would get in action soon and in cooperation with foreign monitors.
As August is considered a vacation month traditionally in Europe, officials believe that it provides time for coordination between the new monitoring teams.
(capital.gr)
Greek ministers will be “caught” in a pincer movement of doubled controls in order to cover the gap of €4.5b in the state budget for the period January-June 2011.
Besides the huge shortfall of €3.27b in revenues, the Ministry of Finance is very concerned about the excess of operating expenses of ministries, insurance funds and local governments that reaches the amount of €1.23b for the six-month period.
FinMin officials appeared very upset in the case of two municipalities (Acharnon and Zografou), which almost blocked the approval of fifth instalment of the IMF because of two loans totaling €62 million.
Following the pressure from international lenders, the political leadership of the ministry plans a dynamic offensive both at domestic and European level.
Firstly, it would use the “technical assistance” provided by the European Union, which would monitor the preparation and the execution of the budget. Under yesterday’s agreement between FinMin E.Venizelos and Commissioner O.Rehn, European deputies are expected to arrive until the end of the month.
Monitoring units will arrive a little later to work on the implementation of the privatization program, the absorption of EU funds through the National Strategic Reference Framework, Greek healthcare system, the functioning of insurance system and the reform of public enterprises.
However, the delicate term of technical assistance loses any sense, considering that the monitoring teams would work with the structure of project management. Each team will set objectives and assessing the performance on quarterly basis together with the competent minister.
Secondly, the Greek monitoring authorities, established for each ministry and public organization, never worked properly. The European Commission has already warned Greece. In a report about the fifth aid instalment, it emphasizes that these authorities are based on a legislative framework and are sufficiently staffed, therefore they should activate immediately in order to minimize any fiscal deviations in the state budget.
Greek FinMin committed that the authorities would get in action soon and in cooperation with foreign monitors.
As August is considered a vacation month traditionally in Europe, officials believe that it provides time for coordination between the new monitoring teams.
(capital.gr)
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