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Umile contadino
E la melina è così irritante.....
giub
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Ok, questo è il soft restructuring, quello che tutti date ormai per certo....
Invece l'opzione media?
E quella dell'hard restructuring? Cosa prevede, 90% di haircut e probabilmente di più?
Bambini don't worry!
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Umile contadino
MILANO (MF-DJ)--La parola d'ordine uscita dalla riunione di ieri dei ministri delle Finanze dell'Ecofin e' "reprofiling", ovvero un allungamento delle scadenze del debito greco.
Si tratterebbe quindi, scrive MF, di una ristrutturazione soft, che non prevede tagli al valore nominale dei bond emessi dal Tesoro greco, la mossa tipica di uno Stato in default. Di reprofiling hanno parlato in maniera esplicita il presidente dell'Eurogruppo, Jean-Claude Juncker, e il commissario europeo agli Affari economici, Olli Rehn. "La crisi greca e' incomparabilmente piu' difficile da risolvere" di quella di Irlanda e Portogallo, gli altri due Paesi che hanno ricevuto gli aiuti dalla Ue e dal Fondo Monetario, ha spiegato Juncker. Per questo Atene "deve rapidamente privatizzare 50 miliardi di euro di beni, in modo che il suo debito pubblico a medio e breve termine diventi sostenibile. Al momento non lo e'". Secondo le previsioni, infatti, il rapporto debito pubblico/pil l'anno prossimo superera' il 166%, record assoluto in Europa. Prima di poter ricevere nuovi aiuti, ha sottolineato Rehn (si parla di 60 miliardi di euro), Atene deve quindi adottare rapidamente nuove misure "indispensabili" per centrare gli obiettivi di deficit e debito pubblico nel 2011 e nei prossimi anni. red/lab
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
May 18, 2011 02:21 ET (06:21 GMT)
Copyright (c) 2011 MF-Dow Jones News Srl.
Si tratterebbe quindi, scrive MF, di una ristrutturazione soft, che non prevede tagli al valore nominale dei bond emessi dal Tesoro greco, la mossa tipica di uno Stato in default. Di reprofiling hanno parlato in maniera esplicita il presidente dell'Eurogruppo, Jean-Claude Juncker, e il commissario europeo agli Affari economici, Olli Rehn. "La crisi greca e' incomparabilmente piu' difficile da risolvere" di quella di Irlanda e Portogallo, gli altri due Paesi che hanno ricevuto gli aiuti dalla Ue e dal Fondo Monetario, ha spiegato Juncker. Per questo Atene "deve rapidamente privatizzare 50 miliardi di euro di beni, in modo che il suo debito pubblico a medio e breve termine diventi sostenibile. Al momento non lo e'". Secondo le previsioni, infatti, il rapporto debito pubblico/pil l'anno prossimo superera' il 166%, record assoluto in Europa. Prima di poter ricevere nuovi aiuti, ha sottolineato Rehn (si parla di 60 miliardi di euro), Atene deve quindi adottare rapidamente nuove misure "indispensabili" per centrare gli obiettivi di deficit e debito pubblico nel 2011 e nei prossimi anni. red/lab
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
May 18, 2011 02:21 ET (06:21 GMT)
Copyright (c) 2011 MF-Dow Jones News Srl.
tommy271
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ECB's Stark: Greek debt restructuring recipee for disaster
ATHENS | Wed May 18, 2011 3:40am EDT
ATHENS May 18 (Reuters) - A debt restructuring of any kind would not solve Greece's problems and would spell disaster for the country's banks, European Central Bank Executive Board member Juergen Stark said on Wednesday.
"It is an illusion to think that a debt restructuring, haircut or whatever kind of rescheduling would help resolve the problems this country faces," said Stark, who oversees the ECB's influential economics division.
"If the (economic adjustment) programme is implemented one- to-one, then debt sustainability is ensured and Greece is solvent," he added.
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ATHENS | Wed May 18, 2011 3:40am EDT
ATHENS May 18 (Reuters) - A debt restructuring of any kind would not solve Greece's problems and would spell disaster for the country's banks, European Central Bank Executive Board member Juergen Stark said on Wednesday.
"It is an illusion to think that a debt restructuring, haircut or whatever kind of rescheduling would help resolve the problems this country faces," said Stark, who oversees the ECB's influential economics division.
"If the (economic adjustment) programme is implemented one- to-one, then debt sustainability is ensured and Greece is solvent," he added.
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In sintonia con Stark ..
ferdo
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a me pare che la parola d'ordine sia stata:
"Cari Greci, vi aiutiamo se fate le privatizzazioni e la smettete di perdere tempo ... "
perchè torno a ripetere, è scandaloso per me ignorante, che ben dopo un anno dagli aiuti tirino fuori per la prima volta un piano aleatorio.
tommy271
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Merkel’s Leadership Gap Fans Greek Crisis: Schroeder
By Tony Czuczka and Alan Crawford - May 18, 2011 12:00 AM GMT+0200 Tue May 17 22:00:01 GMT 2011
Chancellor Angela Merkel has failed to lead during Europe’s debt crisis and must now rise above German public opinion to offer more help for troubled euro-area states, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said.
Merkel acted too slowly when the crisis unfolded last year, pandering to the “yellow press,” Schroeder said in an interview. Schroeder said the chancellor, who defeated him in 2005, should press for banks and other bondholders to take losses and give euro countries more time to cut budget deficits.
Schroeder’s comments may jibe with a change that’s emerging in Europe’s crisis-fighting strategy, as finance ministers in Brussels indicated they may shift some costs to bondholders in a “soft restructuring” of Greek debt. Merkel, as the leader of Europe’s largest economy, holds the key to Greece’s chances of escaping a restructuring.
“There’s a lack of leadership right now,” Schroeder said at his legal practice in the western German city of Hanover yesterday. Germany’s policy has been “too hesitant,” he said. “Someone has to say ‘that’s enough’ more often.”
Schroeder, 67, the Social Democratic chancellor who ruled for two terms as the head of a coalition with the Greens, oversaw the debut of the euro in Germany on Jan. 1, 1999, less than three months after he came to power. During his election campaign in 1998, he compared the euro to a “premature birth,” a judgment he now says was wrong.
‘Complete Nonsense’
The euro has been a boon for Germany and is worth defending, he said. All talk of countries leaving the currency union is “complete nonsense,” said Schroeder, who no longer holds elected office and is chairman of Nord Stream AG, a 7.4 billion-euro ($10.5 billion) Russian-controlled Baltic Sea gas pipeline that’s being built from Vyborg, Russia, to Lubmin in Germany.
To end the debt crisis that forced Greece, Ireland and Portugal to seek outside aid, so-called haircuts involving compulsory losses for banks and other investors including the European Central Bank are “absolutely essential,” however uncomfortable they may be for vested interests, Schroeder said.
“In the long run, the government can’t justify aid programs to their voters unless they force creditors that have made a lot of money on the enormous interest rates for Greece and the others to share the cost,” he said. “That risk is already priced in.”
Merkel has repeatedly said her refusal to be rushed into aiding Greece last year was needed to force the Greek government to cut its budget deficit. Greece has the euro area’s biggest public debt relative to economic output. Greece’s debt will balloon to 157.7 percent of gross domestic product in 2011.
‘Better Job’
Schroeder contrasted Merkel’s position with that of her finance minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble, who he said had called for “solidarity” with debt-laded countries early on. “He’s actually doing a better job,” Schroeder said.
Former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, a Christian Democrat like Merkel, said on May 16 that the European Union must stand by Greece as it goes through a difficult period.
“We are going forward with the Greeks,” Kohl said in a speech in Berlin that was attended by Merkel. “Those who say today that we have to break everything down and start from scratch are wrong.” Kohl, who served as chancellor from 1982 to 1998, was German leader when the treaty creating the euro was negotiated.
Schroeder criticized the “very unhelpful” warnings by lawmakers in Merkel’s coalition that they might reject the permanent rescue fund for indebted euro members. For all the misgivings over the post-2013 European Stability Mechanism, Schroeder predicted that lawmakers will back down and pass the ESM after the summer recess.
Don’t Spook Markets
Speaking to high-school students in Berlin yesterday, Merkel said that restructuring the debt of euro-area countries before the ESM rules take effect risks spooking financial markets. Changing the rules of the current bailouts would “create incredible doubt about our credibility as governments” and undermine sovereign-bond markets, she said.
Schroeder echoed the government line that solidarity “cannot be a one-way street,” with aid recipients compelled to reduce their bloated budget deficits. At the same time, he said that “weaker economies” need time to cut debt.
“You can’t kill them by forcing them to make so many savings that the economy can’t grow anymore,” he said. “Greece can’t turn around decades of undisciplined policy in a few months.”
(Bloomberg)
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Il dibattito interno alla Germania.
By Tony Czuczka and Alan Crawford - May 18, 2011 12:00 AM GMT+0200 Tue May 17 22:00:01 GMT 2011
Chancellor Angela Merkel has failed to lead during Europe’s debt crisis and must now rise above German public opinion to offer more help for troubled euro-area states, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said.
Merkel acted too slowly when the crisis unfolded last year, pandering to the “yellow press,” Schroeder said in an interview. Schroeder said the chancellor, who defeated him in 2005, should press for banks and other bondholders to take losses and give euro countries more time to cut budget deficits.
Schroeder’s comments may jibe with a change that’s emerging in Europe’s crisis-fighting strategy, as finance ministers in Brussels indicated they may shift some costs to bondholders in a “soft restructuring” of Greek debt. Merkel, as the leader of Europe’s largest economy, holds the key to Greece’s chances of escaping a restructuring.
“There’s a lack of leadership right now,” Schroeder said at his legal practice in the western German city of Hanover yesterday. Germany’s policy has been “too hesitant,” he said. “Someone has to say ‘that’s enough’ more often.”
Schroeder, 67, the Social Democratic chancellor who ruled for two terms as the head of a coalition with the Greens, oversaw the debut of the euro in Germany on Jan. 1, 1999, less than three months after he came to power. During his election campaign in 1998, he compared the euro to a “premature birth,” a judgment he now says was wrong.
‘Complete Nonsense’
The euro has been a boon for Germany and is worth defending, he said. All talk of countries leaving the currency union is “complete nonsense,” said Schroeder, who no longer holds elected office and is chairman of Nord Stream AG, a 7.4 billion-euro ($10.5 billion) Russian-controlled Baltic Sea gas pipeline that’s being built from Vyborg, Russia, to Lubmin in Germany.
To end the debt crisis that forced Greece, Ireland and Portugal to seek outside aid, so-called haircuts involving compulsory losses for banks and other investors including the European Central Bank are “absolutely essential,” however uncomfortable they may be for vested interests, Schroeder said.
“In the long run, the government can’t justify aid programs to their voters unless they force creditors that have made a lot of money on the enormous interest rates for Greece and the others to share the cost,” he said. “That risk is already priced in.”
Merkel has repeatedly said her refusal to be rushed into aiding Greece last year was needed to force the Greek government to cut its budget deficit. Greece has the euro area’s biggest public debt relative to economic output. Greece’s debt will balloon to 157.7 percent of gross domestic product in 2011.
‘Better Job’
Schroeder contrasted Merkel’s position with that of her finance minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble, who he said had called for “solidarity” with debt-laded countries early on. “He’s actually doing a better job,” Schroeder said.
Former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, a Christian Democrat like Merkel, said on May 16 that the European Union must stand by Greece as it goes through a difficult period.
“We are going forward with the Greeks,” Kohl said in a speech in Berlin that was attended by Merkel. “Those who say today that we have to break everything down and start from scratch are wrong.” Kohl, who served as chancellor from 1982 to 1998, was German leader when the treaty creating the euro was negotiated.
Schroeder criticized the “very unhelpful” warnings by lawmakers in Merkel’s coalition that they might reject the permanent rescue fund for indebted euro members. For all the misgivings over the post-2013 European Stability Mechanism, Schroeder predicted that lawmakers will back down and pass the ESM after the summer recess.
Don’t Spook Markets
Speaking to high-school students in Berlin yesterday, Merkel said that restructuring the debt of euro-area countries before the ESM rules take effect risks spooking financial markets. Changing the rules of the current bailouts would “create incredible doubt about our credibility as governments” and undermine sovereign-bond markets, she said.
Schroeder echoed the government line that solidarity “cannot be a one-way street,” with aid recipients compelled to reduce their bloated budget deficits. At the same time, he said that “weaker economies” need time to cut debt.
“You can’t kill them by forcing them to make so many savings that the economy can’t grow anymore,” he said. “Greece can’t turn around decades of undisciplined policy in a few months.”
(Bloomberg)
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Il dibattito interno alla Germania.
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Umile contadino
Se così gli hanno detto per una volta sono d'accordo con i tedeschi.
tommy271
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Bce, mancato rimborso debito sovrano scappatoia devastante -Bini
mercoledì 18 maggio 2011 09:59
MILANO, 18 maggio (Reuters) - All'indomani di timide aperture giunte ieri dall'Ecofin su una ristrutturazione morbida del debito sovrano della Grecia, Lorenzo Bini Smaghi - membro del consiglio esecutivo della Bce - rigetta nuovamente questa opzione per un paese dell'euro.
"La Banca centrale europea non accetta l'idea che nell'area euro uno Stato non rimborsi i propri debiti", ha detto Bini Smaghi, definendo questa eventualità come "devastante".
mercoledì 18 maggio 2011 09:59
MILANO, 18 maggio (Reuters) - All'indomani di timide aperture giunte ieri dall'Ecofin su una ristrutturazione morbida del debito sovrano della Grecia, Lorenzo Bini Smaghi - membro del consiglio esecutivo della Bce - rigetta nuovamente questa opzione per un paese dell'euro.
"La Banca centrale europea non accetta l'idea che nell'area euro uno Stato non rimborsi i propri debiti", ha detto Bini Smaghi, definendo questa eventualità come "devastante".
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Umile contadino
Siamo realisti, noi chiaramente essendo parte in causa con i nostri ggb, speriamo in una risoluzione positiva della vertenza ma se non fossimo toccati direttamente nel borsellino non so quanti di noi, a fronte dell'ipotetica indecisione dei greci sulle privatizzazioni, non avrebbero già mandato a quel paese la Grecia. Poi è vero tutto il discorso della civiltà della Grecia, della storia, dell'unione europea ecc ma i soldi sono i soldi.
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