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tommy271

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Nicosia pledges to share proceeds with Turkish-speaking community





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Cyprus said Thursday it was willing to share the benefits of any gas find with Turkish Cypriots before reaching a peace deal on the ethnically split island, in an apparent attempt to calm tensions with Turkey over Mediterranean energy reserves.
Speaking in New York, Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias said he wanted both the Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot communities to benefit from any find.
My message to Turkey and to the Turkish Cypriots is to find a solution as soon as possible, but as president, I guarantee that even before a solution... that if we have revenue, we will see in which way we can use the revenues for the benefit of the two communities. That must be very clear,” Christofias said, according to an official statement.
His comments marked a softening of the stance adopted by Cyprus’s Greek-Cypriot government, which represents the island internationally. Until now, authorities had said Turkish Cypriots would reap benefits from any gas discovery only after there was a deal on the island, split by war in 1974.
If Turkey indeed wishes to see the Turkish-Cypriot community reap benefits from this gift of nature to Cyprus, it must convince Mr [Dervis] Eroglu to conclude an agreement,” Christofias said, referring to the Turkish-Cypriot leader.
Despite tensions, both sides have continued to attend peace talks under the auspices of the United Nations. In principle, they agree on uniting Cyprus as a federation.
As part of talks, the sides have already agreed that administering natural resources would be a federal issue, but have not resolved the proportion of revenue which would be allocated to each side, a source with direct knowledge of the matter said.

[Reuters]

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L'altro fronte "caldo" della settimana.
 

drbs315

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Concordo più o meno su tutto ... In cima alla lista dei causa dei casini ci metterei la situazione USA, anche lì il disastro dei conti pubblici è evidente e se con un deficit/PIL dell'11%, insostenibile in presenza di un indebitamento complessivo elevato rispetto al PIL, si cresce quest'anno dell'1,5%, è legittimo chiedersi cosa succede quando si dovrà cominciare a rientrare...

Le vicende europee e della Grecia possono accellerare il movimento dei mercati, probabilmente acutizzarlo, ma IMHO la direzione era segnata comunque...

Vero, passaggio di consegne, dall'Occidente agli emergenti (neo, ex o come volete); saturazione dei mercati e invecchiamento della popolazione, con miccia e moltiplicatore dell'esplosione fornito dalla finanza creativa a debito di là dell'Atlantico, dall'architettura inconsistente sopra la moneta unica di qua - con greci portoghesi e italiani, in particolar modo, a fare da detonatori.
Però tra bianco e nero esistono delle sfumature; e non tutto ciò che non appare subito diamante è monnezza. L'impressione del tracollo generalizzato fa effetto, ed è vivida quanto più spendibile nell'immediato e verosimile mentre, nella tempesta, si passa affannosamente attraverso. Ma il quadro è più ampio. Il riassestamento violento che stiamo vivendo non lascerà solo macerie. Certo, qualcuno dovrà cadere; molti ristrutteranno o si fonderanno, gli Usa useranno l'inflazione e allungheranno il loro debito abbassandone consistentemente il servizio (rendendolo forse sostenibile anche con crescita reale catatonica), l'Europa, comunque, ne uscirà profondamente trasformata: oggi i problemi del suo sistema finanziario sono in parte i problemi della finanza pubblica. Che non è, oggi, fuori controllo.
Poi, certo, occorre agire; ma la via non è segnata, imho, e non esiste destino ineluttabile (e comodo). Esistono contesti e condizionamenti rispetto ai quali si deve rispondere assumendosi la responsabilità delle scelte.
 

PASTELLETTO

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Il tesoro già si è ricomprato una miliardata di suoi titoli.
Alcuni si stanno ricomprando le loro azioni.
Sottocosto, da non sottovalutare.
Se dovessi fregare qualcuno e avessi i mezzi per farlo in maniera impunita in 2 direzioni (prima short e poi long), non lo farei certo in una sola.
Oddio, c'è la crisi!
Beh si certo, abbiamo venduto più promesse di carta che altro.
Ma chi è all'oscuro di tutto? I politici? I finanzieri?
Secondo me, nessuno.
E di certo non lo sono e non lo erano, quelli che dicono che ci vogliono misure più severe (dopo che si sono riempiti le tasche di carta).
Noi diciamo, che cretini, non sanno gestire la situazione greca.
Lo pensavo pure io.
Ma in questi giorni ho cambiato idea.
Secondo me la stanno gestendo benissimo, nella socializzazione delle perdite.
Con lo spargimento di paura recuperano quello che hanno perso con la grecia.
Non credo proprio che le banche dei vari paesi europei non abbiano fatto o incaricato di fare un maxi short, di questi tempi.
Come al solito c'è sempre qualcuno che compra, se qualcuno vende.
Si sente al TG: si sono volatilizzati tot miliardi di €.
Non è che sia del tutto daccordo.
Certamente quando uno non può pagare un debito, il debito si taglia non è che serva Einstein.
Il modo di tagliare il debito, però, potrebbe essere proprio quello di ricomprarlo a sconto, di comprare azioni e obbligazioni che oggi sono sul fondo e continuano a scavare.
E i vari divieti di short fanno abbastanza ridere.
 

tommy271

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Foreign officials play down default



Top economists, politicians express backing for Greece within eurozone


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A flurry of foreign officials on Wednesday played down the prospect and the consequences of a Greek default.
The International Monetary Fund “is absolutely not discussing and will not discuss a controlled default of Greece, or an exit of the country from the euro,” the organization’s financial counselor and director of the Monetary and Capital Markets Department, Jose Vinals, told Skai TV in an interview.
“To date, European leaders have stated their strong support for European unification and this is very important. They have declared their express commitment to Greece remaining a member of the eurozone,” he said during a press briefing on the presentation of the IMF’s biannual Financial Stability Report in Washington.
“We have a very strong and close cooperation with Greece so as to ensure that the country remains on the right path and the implementation of the program continues, not just regarding the fiscal adaptation leg but also for the measures that will support growth,” Vinals said.
Separately, France’s Budget Minister Valerie Pecresse said Paris was not considering a Greek default scenario and “is doing everything to save Greece.”
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said Greece was the focus of speculative pressures.
As soon as the markets are convinced that the Greek problem has been permanently solved, the risk of contagion to other countries will be significantly reduced,” he said.
Questioned as to what will happen in the event that Greece does receive a new bailout and declares default, Schaeuble said a responsible government has to take all scenarios into account “but cannot publicly consider its options for everything.”
Separately, Germany’s liberal FDP party leader Philipp Roesler toed the line of Chancellor Angela Merkel by saying, “We want Greece to stay in the eurozone, but for this to be achieved we must do everything so that it regains its competitiveness.”
The FDP’s former Economy Minister Rainer Bruederle expressed the view that Greece itself will choose the moment of a “haircut” to its debt.
For his part, Portugal’s Prime Minister Pedro Coelho warned that the consequences of a Greek default would be “catastrophic.”


ekathimerini.com , Wednesday September 21, 2011 (23:09)

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Di ieri, ma valido anche oggi.
 

lorixnt2

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alla perfine un par de coyoni, adesso ce li troviamo nelle procure, nelle redazioni dei giornali, nelle trasmissioni televisive , cacciatori insaziabili di privilegi inauditi , devastatori implacabili delle finanze pubbliche (per rimpinguare le quali chiedono in continuazione nuove tasse) peggio di uno sciame di locuste

Come ti ho gia' risposto ritengo che per riportare il debito italiano entro limiti sostenibili sia sufficiente un haircut del 25% (quindi recovery 75%), purche' accompagnato da corposi tagli alla spesa pubblica (leggi stipendi e pensioni).
Il problema e' che nessuno ha il potere di farlo :specchio:

appunto e quindi una soluzione alternativa potrebbe essere un haircut del 60%-70% a patto che tutto questo sia accompagnato da una robustissima deregulation. Poi il sistema per tirar su qualcosa si trova come insegna la polizia di Bangkok? :-o:)
 

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Greek Bond Exchange Has Surprise Upside

in the continuing drama over whether Greece will get the next slice of rescue funds from its official creditors, another critical financial test has been temporarily forgotten: the country's plan to exchange old government bonds for new. As Greece's disputes with its lenders have intensified, the bond exchange has looked a better and better deal for investors. The exchange, the terms of which could be announced next month, was the price of securing German government support for the second bailout of Greece in July. Germany did not want its bailout loans to be recycled straight into the hands of investors as Greece repaid maturing bonds, so it demanded some "private-sector involvement" in the rescue. Bondholders would be seen making sacrifices as well as German taxpayers.
For some analysts, the bond exchange that emerged was the worst of both worlds. On the one hand, it compelled banks and other investors to recognize that the value of their Greek bond holdings was impaired, forcing them to take write-downs. On the other, it yielded precious little benefit to Greece.
The idea is to reduce the amount of Greek public debt maturing between now and 2020, pushing those maturities into the future. But it does nothing to bring down the government's mountainous debt, equivalent to 166% of gross domestic product this year, and rising. In fact, the opposite: "The deal literally increases Greece's debt burden, making an unsustainable debt even more unsustainable," says Adam Lerrick, a debt restructuring expert at the American Enterprise Institute.
Another criticism of the exchange was that it would be plagued by "free riders"—investors who wouldn't participate in the exchange because they'd be better off being paid in full on the original bonds. The deal is structured to be voluntary and many experts thought when it was announced in July that barely half of bondholders would accept it.
Now, things have changed: Participation, if the exchange goes ahead, is likely to be far higher, possibly more than the 90% minimum the Greek government is targeting. The main reason is that, as Greece has bickered with its official creditors, fears of a default have grown, bond prices have collapsed further and the exchange looks like a far better deal than it once did.
"When the deal was announced in July, the acceptance rate would have been 55% to 60%. Now, the probability of a near-term default has gone up dramatically and the price of the bonds has collapsed. … The acceptance rate will now be much higher, possibly even into the nineties," Mr. Lerrick says.
Greek government bonds maturing before 2021 are now trading at just under 40 cents on the euro. If investors exchange their bonds for par bonds, one of four available options, they receive top-rated collateral guaranteeing full repayment after 30 years. The value of that guarantee in today's money is just over 30 cents. That means the component that accounts for Greek risk—that would repay almost 70% of face value at maturity if it's repaid—can be purchased for eight cents on the euro.
One reason Greek risk is so cheap is that investors are worried that Greece won't secure the next €8 billion ($10.86 billion) of aid, the country will slide into a full-scale default and the exchange won't go ahead. (Another worry is that Finland's demands for collateral as price for its contribution to the second bailout could derail the exchange.) If the exchange does take place, however, prices of Greek bonds maturing before 2021 should rally.
There are other reasons why bondholders might be persuaded to exchange, some of which are contained in little-noticed details issued by the Greek government last month. One is that the deal is "all or nothing": Institutional investors were asked to inform regulators of their eligible Greek bond holdings. They can participate in the exchange with all their holdings—or not participate at all—but they can't cherry pick and exchange some of their bonds and not others.
True, many investors outside Europe, including hedge funds, won't feel bound to declare their full holdings and will hold on to "old" bonds. But the "old bonds" will probably be substantially less marketable than before. For example, though the Greek government has given no indication of its plans, it is likely to delist the old bonds from stock exchanges.
Another reason is that the exchange switches the governing law of the bonds from Greek to English law. Most international bonds are issued under English or New York law and the switch means that the new bonds won't be subject to actions by the Greek Parliament that could disadvantage holders of old bonds, in particular give them a worse deal in any future restructuring. "With the change in the governing law, Greece gives up some of the leverage that it has under the current bonds," says Steven Kargman, an international debt restructuring adviser.
However, a good deal for investors may end up being the opposite for Greece. Most analysts agree that even if this exchange "succeeds," it won't be the last. Most see a further major restructuring at some point that will significantly cut Greece's debt burden. If it happens, many of the techniques being used for this exchange, may well be used again. "Default is an obsolete technology," says one investor.
Write to Stephen Fidler at [email protected]
 

Andre_Sant

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x giub:

vedi che piano piano tutto il mio ragionamento sta tornando...?

La troika ha forzato la mano ad atene per ottenere maggiori misure e le sta ottenendo.

L'europa vuole la massima adesione allo swap e la sta ottenendo (probabile adesione ben sopra il 90%...)

E riguardo all'azionario, quando tutto questo sarà concluso riprenderà a correre.. nel frattempo francia e germania avranno piazzato i loro bei debiti a tassi ridicoli rifacendosi ampiamente dei soldi dati alla grecia grazie ai minori interessi pagati su importi moooolto maggiori, e dopo probabilmente riusciranno a gainare qualcosa anche nella ripresa.. (sapendo i dati in anticipo..)

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