Portafogli e Strategie (investimento) Il cassetto degli obbligazionisti perpetui (3 lettori)

bosmeld

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sempre un altro articolo su anadarko/bp e il problema della falla di petrolio.


BP (NYSE:BP) Bankruptcy and Increasing Focus on Anadarko (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui (Nasdaq:MITSY)


Over the last week or so, there's been an increasing focus on BP's (NYSE:BP) partners in the leaking oil well: Anadarko Petroleum (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui Oil (Nasdaq:MITSY).

At the outset it looks like it's a nod toward fairness and sharing the costs in the project, but so many things have been admitted by BP, that it's questionable as to whether or not the two companies could be made to contribute.

Lawmakers of course know this. So why the new interest in them? It's the growing awareness that the mounting [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]costs[/COLOR][/COLOR]
related to the spill could bring BP to its knees and force them to declare [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]bankruptcy[/COLOR][/COLOR]
to protect itself from creditors and liabilities.


If BP is forced to go bankrupt, there is no one else left to pay, and if government officials attempted to push that on taxpayers, their already tenuous political futures would be in even more jeopardy. It isn't going to happen!

Even though this is a genuine disaster, there was too much political posturing in response to outrage over the situation, and in attempts to appease the people. Things were put into place too quickly without thinking it through clearly and thoroughly.

What that essentially means is it's all on BP, and the issue of payment and liability is completely on them alone. Although there are ancillary lawsuits the other companies will face, it isn't near the liability faced by BP.

The other problem is BP is the only one out of the three with the type of capital and insurance to handle the lawsuits and claims; or at least with a legitimate shot at it.

Concerning the $20 billion escrow fund, some politicians are looking at the four-year length of it, and are aware BP could end up not having enough to pay out into it over that period of time. That's where the interest in Anadarko and Mitsui come in.

Then take the liability of BP with the Clean Water Act, which if they are deemed as being grossly negligent in the accident, could pay as much as $4,300 a barrel of oil that's emptied into the Gulf.

Depending on that outcome, and also finding out what the actual amount of oil that has escaped into the Gulf is, the costs would be astronomical, with the potential to come in at $142 million a day. How long could BP handle that on top of all its other liabilities? They couldn't is the answer.

Whether people like it or not, if all they try to do is destroy this company, and if any type of lawsuit is allowed to go forward against them, it is highly unlikely they'll continue going on without going bankrupt.

Even adding the two co-owner oil companies to the liability list won't help much, as what they could pay would be a relative drop in the bucket in contrast to BP.

Like it or not, this is another one of those too big to fail moments, which no one has the guts to say concerning the disaster.

Unfortunately, it is the legitimate pursuit of BP in the circumstances which is bringing it all about, and laws which will penalize them beyond what any company could probably pay. All this and we've barely scratched the surface of overall liabilities, although we've touched on the larger ones.

Bottom line as the growing costs are revealed, are there is no way this company will be able to survive without going bankrupt, unless there are actions taken to alleviate their liability, which isn't going to happen, as it would be political suicide.

It looks like taxpayers will end up paying for some of this, as there is simply no way BP will be able to.


Dripping Oil: BP (NYSEP) Bankruptcy and Increasing Focus on Anadarko (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui (Nasdaq:MITSY)



in teoria la colpa è tutta di Bp, ma bisogna stare cmq attenti....


finchè le cose non si chiariranno bene, ho l'idea che anadarko e bp andrnno a braccetto.


p.s in apertura mi è sfuiggita tranocean lavolevo prendere ma ora fa +2%se scendesse un pochino, la compro
 
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bia06

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APC Anadarko Petroleum (NYSE)

Ciao Bos,
non ringraziarmi, Tu di spunti ne hai dati tanti.
Per me Anadarko è da cassettare (nello spirito originario del forum) e mi serve anche per avere in pf una diversificaz. su mat. prime in USD.
Sul breve dovremo sopportare volatilità, questa caxxo di falla alla piattaforma prima o poi dovranno pur chiuderla.
Sul medio periodo credo tornerà ad essere valutata come i suoi peers (sui 70 USD).
Ciao.

ti ho seguito PESANTEMENTE, e sono entrato su Anadarko. comprata a 37,92 con cambio a 1,2316 (le metto anche io nel cassetto)



BELLA SOCIETA. speriamo bene. grazie segnalazione.

possibilità di salita a questi prezzi ci sono


per quello che valgono, qui i giudizi degli analisti

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p.s uscito totalmente da Nbog, con una bella perdita. spero di rifarmi su Anadarko:eek::eek::D:D

I su pazzo


sono sicuro cbhe da domani Nbog inizierà a volare....
resta per me una buona banca. ma probabilmente per parecchio tempo non riuscirà ad apprezzarsi molto visto i problemi greci. c'è però da dire che il prezzo attuale è davvero basso. se non fallisce o ristuttura la grecia. di spazi di risalita ce ne sono tanti. an che perchè hannoi l'asso nella manica di Finansbank la controllata turca che a ogni trimestre cresce forte.

un po mi è dispiaciuto vendere, forse le dovevo mantenere....
 

bia06

Listen other's viewpoint avoid conflicts & wars.
Ciao Bos, una scommessa su questo tema va bene...due sono troppe.
Pensa che Anadarko la seguivo e mi piaceva già prima, ma Transocean no...:eek:è la proprietaria della piattaforma :down:
Per carità valuta Tu, io starei moooooooolto cauto a raddoppiare la scommessa:(.

sempre un altro articolo su anadarko/bp e il problema della falla di petrolio.


BP (NYSE:BP) Bankruptcy and Increasing Focus on Anadarko (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui (Nasdaq:MITSY)


Over the last week or so, there's been an increasing focus on BP's (NYSE:BP) partners in the leaking oil well: Anadarko Petroleum (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui Oil (Nasdaq:MITSY).

At the outset it looks like it's a nod toward fairness and sharing the costs in the project, but so many things have been admitted by BP, that it's questionable as to whether or not the two companies could be made to contribute.

Lawmakers of course know this. So why the new interest in them? It's the growing awareness that the mounting [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]costs[/COLOR][/COLOR]
related to the spill could bring BP to its knees and force them to declare [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]bankruptcy[/COLOR][/COLOR]
to protect itself from creditors and liabilities.

If BP is forced to go bankrupt, there is no one else left to pay, and if government officials attempted to push that on taxpayers, their already tenuous political futures would be in even more jeopardy. It isn't going to happen!

Even though this is a genuine disaster, there was too much political posturing in response to outrage over the situation, and in attempts to appease the people. Things were put into place too quickly without thinking it through clearly and thoroughly.

What that essentially means is it's all on BP, and the issue of payment and liability is completely on them alone. Although there are ancillary lawsuits the other companies will face, it isn't near the liability faced by BP.

The other problem is BP is the only one out of the three with the type of capital and insurance to handle the lawsuits and claims; or at least with a legitimate shot at it.

Concerning the $20 billion escrow fund, some politicians are looking at the four-year length of it, and are aware BP could end up not having enough to pay out into it over that period of time. That's where the interest in Anadarko and Mitsui come in.

Then take the liability of BP with the Clean Water Act, which if they are deemed as being grossly negligent in the accident, could pay as much as $4,300 a barrel of oil that's emptied into the Gulf.

Depending on that outcome, and also finding out what the actual amount of oil that has escaped into the Gulf is, the costs would be astronomical, with the potential to come in at $142 million a day. How long could BP handle that on top of all its other liabilities? They couldn't is the answer.

Whether people like it or not, if all they try to do is destroy this company, and if any type of lawsuit is allowed to go forward against them, it is highly unlikely they'll continue going on without going bankrupt.

Even adding the two co-owner oil companies to the liability list won't help much, as what they could pay would be a relative drop in the bucket in contrast to BP.

Like it or not, this is another one of those too big to fail moments, which no one has the guts to say concerning the disaster.

Unfortunately, it is the legitimate pursuit of BP in the circumstances which is bringing it all about, and laws which will penalize them beyond what any company could probably pay. All this and we've barely scratched the surface of overall liabilities, although we've touched on the larger ones.

Bottom line as the growing costs are revealed, are there is no way this company will be able to survive without going bankrupt, unless there are actions taken to alleviate their liability, which isn't going to happen, as it would be political suicide.

It looks like taxpayers will end up paying for some of this, as there is simply no way BP will be able to.

Dripping Oil: BP (NYSEP) Bankruptcy and Increasing Focus on Anadarko (NYSE:APC) and Mitsui (Nasdaq:MITSY)



in teoria la colpa è tutta di Bp, ma bisogna stare cmq attenti....


finchè le cose non si chiariranno bene, ho l'idea che anadarko e bp andrnno a braccetto.


p.s in apertura mi è sfuiggita tranocean lavolevo prendere ma ora fa +2%se scendesse un pochino, la compro
 

bosmeld

Forumer storico
Ciao Bos,
non ringraziarmi, Tu di spunti ne hai dati tanti.
Per me Anadarko è da cassettare (nello spirito originario del forum) e mi serve anche per avere in pf una diversificaz. su mat. prime in USD.
Sul breve dovremo sopportare volatilità, questa caxxo di falla alla piattaforma prima o poi dovranno pur chiuderla.
Sul medio periodo credo tornerà ad essere valutata come i suoi peers (sui 70 USD).
Ciao.


se non avrà problemi riguardo a risarcimenti. valore equo è 70-80 dollari effettivamente. peraltro ha buone prospettive di crescita

bisogna però vedere come andrà tutto. c'è ancora l'incognita.

io come al solito forse ho esagerato nell'acquisto...



per quanto riguarda Transocean. secondo me non pagheranno niente. a questi prezzi non è male. e mi sa che è la prima società di drilling al mondo.



cmq il filone del drilling, apparte il problema bp è interessante, ci sono diverse società interessanti
 
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bosmeld

Forumer storico
Bos , riquardo AGEAS per una entrata cosa ne pensi ,o è meglio aspettare?


mi scuso non avevo proprio visto questo mex.

ora cercando indietro una cosa lo ho letto casualmente.




Ageas è una società che a me piace molto.

ultimamente c'è pero stato una notizia negativa.

si parla di possibile cause legali, che cmq potrebbero protrarsi per anni

UPDATE 1-Fortis erred in communication before collapse-report | Reuters



a me a questi prezzi piace e sto dentro. peccato per sta news negativa. cmq è tutto da vedere, le cause o si perdono o si vincono.


certo è che se il mercato va giù ageas lo segue, stessa cosa al contrario.


resta cmq il titolo più pesante del mio cassetto azionario.
 

bosmeld

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il mio cassettino azionario

Mi sono risistemato un pochino la contabilità e questo è attualmente il mio cassettino. di medio/lungo periodo.


Ageas 31,99%
Dexia 5,73%
Bpm 14,20%
Ubi 0,72%
Mps 1,14%
Screen service 15,72%
Anadarko 11,13% (USD)
Allied irish 2,14% (USD)
Nokia 7,78%
Unipol priv 9,46% (ho già contabilizzato come se aderissi all'adc ma ancora non lo ho fatto, per ora ho i diritti)



è un pochino più diversificato rispetto a prima, questi sono i settori:


assicurativi 41,44%
bancari 23,93%
petrolio 11,13%
tecnologia 23,50%





al momento è in perdita del 5,65%


senza considerare la grossa perdita fatta su Nbog, e qualche guadagno fatto intesa, banco popolare, impregilo, mondadori e altii. cmq la perdita è maggiore dei guadagni....


da oggi aggiornerò una volta a settimana il cassetto, ogni venerdì con i cambiamenti e i rendimenti.



sinceramente spero di chiudere l'anno con un +20% su questo cassetto. vedremo come andrà.
 
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steff

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Oggi sono scattati gli acquisti sui diritti Unipol...........

........che siano iniziate le "grandi manovre"?
 

bosmeld

Forumer storico
ovvero?
io non ci ho capito più nulla ...
l'azione sta facendo un modesto 0,x %; il diritto +17%, pardon +21% adesso



l'unica idea, che mi viene, è che qualcuno stia comprando diritti, per crescere nell'azionariato.


vedremo alla fine dell'adc se cambieranno le partecipazioni o no.
 

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