OT: Topic del cazzeggio (5 lettori)

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Di queste e altre simili decisioni che dal punto di vista economico appaiono irrazionali ci parla Dan Ariely in questo libro. Professore di economia comportamentale presso il Mit di Boston e la Duke University e recentissimo vincitore del Premio Ig Nobel per la medicina, Ariely guida il lettore in un appassionante viaggio nell'irrazionalità umana, illustrando in modo brillante una serie di esperimenti che mostrano le tante trappole cognitive in cui tutti noi inconsapevolmente cadiamo ogni volta che ci troviamo a prendere una decisione.


brevissimo: dalla recensione del libro che segnali, sembra che non sia stato colto il significato del premio! :D:D:D almeno ogni tanto si ride.

per il resto, è un meritevole filone di ricerca che parte dal successo dell' "esuberanza irrazionale" di schiller, e dal Premio Nobel (quello vero) Kahneman.

Dan è un ricercatore serissimo, del quale consiglio davvero la lettura...



Beehavioral economics is a complex and serious profession requiring focus and attention to details

http://danariely.com/bits-and-pieces/

The Upside of Irrationality

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Irrationality is not all bad. In the Upside of irrationality we examine some of the positive effects irrationality have on our lives and offer a new look on the irrational decisions that influence our personal lives and our workplace experiences.
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Predictably Irrational

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When we make decisions we think we’re in control, making rational choices. But are we? Entertaining and surprising, Ariely unmasks the subtle but powerful tricks that our minds play on us.
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  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERQEVdIinc"]Chapter 1: The Truth about Relativity[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaO3aGmuNFc"]Chapter 2: The Fallacy of Supply and Demand[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1bwMdgmKc"]Chapter 3: The Cost of Zero[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdjlOgGVRVA"]Chapter 4: The Cost of Social Norms[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFMDgW0wDeI"]Chapter 5: The Influence of Arousal[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yQR0V0cq4"]Chapter 6: The Problem of Procrastination[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drEVExtrUgQ"]Chapter 7: The High Price of Ownership[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drEVExtrUgQ"]Chapter 8: Keeping doors open[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MS-LvS0aNw"]Chapter 9: The effect of expectations[/ame]
  • [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFl9WKVp68"]Chapters 11 & 12: The Context of Our Character[/ame]
Dan Ariely

To begin to understand how deeply the human desire for vengeance runs, I invite you to consider a study conducted by a group of Swiss researchers led by Ernst Fehr, who examined revenge using a version of an experimental game we call the Trust Game. Here are the rules, which are explained in detail to all participants.
You are paired with another participant. You are kept in separate rooms, and you will never know each other’s identity. The experimenter gives each of you $10. You get to make the first move. You must decide whether to send your money over to the other participant or keep it for yourself. If you keep it, both of you get to keep your $10 and the game is over. However, if you send the other player your money, the experimenter quadruples the amount—so that the other player has their original $10 plus $40 (the $10 multiplied by four). The other player now has a choice: (a) to keep all the money, which means that they would get $50 and you would get nothing; or (b) to send half the money back to you, which means that each of you would end up with $25.* (*There are many different versions of this game, with different rules and different amounts of money, but the basic principle is the same.)
The question, of course, is whether you will trust the other person. Do you send them the money—potentially sacrificing your financial gain? And will the other person justify your trust and share the earnings with you? The prediction of rational economics is very simple: no one would ever give back half of their $50, and, since this behavior is so glaringly predictable from a rational economic perspective, no one would ever send over their $10 in the first place. In this case, the simple economic theory is inaccurate: the good news is that people are more trusting and more reciprocating than rational economics would have us believe. Many people end up passing along their $10, and their partners often reciprocate by sending $25 back.
This is the basic trust game, but the Swiss version included another interesting step: if your partner chooses to keep all $50 for himself, you can use your own money to punish the bastard. For each dollar of your own hard-earned money that you give the experimenter, $2 will be extracted from your greedy partner. This means that if you decide to spend, say, $2 of your own money, your partner will lose $4, and if you decide to spend $25, your partner will lose all his winnings. If you were playing the game and the other person betrayed your trust, would you choose this costly revenge? Would you sacrifice your own money to make the other player suffer? How much would you spend?
The experiment showed that many of the people who had the opportunity to exact revenge on their partners did so, and they punished severely. Yet this finding was not the most interesting part of the study. While making their decisions, the participants’ brains were being scanned by positron emission tomography (PET). This way, the experimenters could observe participants’ brain activity while they were making their decisions. The results showed increased activity in the striatum, which is a part of the brain associated with the way we experience reward. In other words, according to the PET scan, it looked as though the decision to punish others was related to a feeling of pleasure. What’s more, those who had a high level of striatum activation punished others to a greater degree.
All of this suggests that punishing betrayal, even when it costs us something, has biological underpinnings. And this behavior is, in fact, pleasurable (or at least elicits a reaction similar to pleasure).
Not surprisingly, the desire for revenge struck many a citizen in the wake of the financial meltdown of 2008. As a result of the collapse of the mortgage-backed securities market, institutional banks fell like dominoes. In May 2008, JPMorgan Chase acquired Bear Stearns. On September 7, the government stepped in to rescue Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. A week later, on September 14, Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America. The following day, Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy. The day after that (September 16), the U.S. Federal Reserve loaned money to AIG to prevent the company’s collapse. On September 25, Washington Mutual’s banking subsidiaries were partially sold to JPMorgan Chase, and the following day, Washington Mutual’s holding company and remaining subsidiary filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
On Monday, September 29, Congress voted against the bailout package proposed by President George W. Bush, resulting in a 778-point drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. And while the government worked to build a package that would pass, Wachovia became another casualty as it entered talks with Citigroup and Wells Fargo (the latter bought the bank on October 3).
When I looked around at the outraged public reaction to the $700 billion–plus bank bailout plan, it seemed as if people really wanted to bust the chops of the bankers who had flushed their portfolios down the toilet. One nearly apoplectic friend of mine promoted the idea of an old-fashioned solution: “Instead of taxing us to bail out those crooks,” he ranted, “Congress should put them in wooden stocks, with their feet and hands and heads sticking out. I bet everyone in America would give big bucks for the joy of throwing rotten tomatoes at them!”
Now consider what transpired from the perspective of the trust game. We entrusted those bankers with our retirement funds, our savings, and our mortgages. Essentially, they walked away with the $50 (you may want to put a few zeroes behind that). As a consequence, we felt betrayed and angry, and we wanted the bankers to pay dearly. To set the economy right, the world’s central banks tried to infuse money into the system, give short-term loans to banks, increase liquidity, buy back mortgage-backed securities, and every other trick in the book. But these extreme measures did not achieve the desired effect in terms of economic recovery, especially if you consider the relatively pitiful impact that the massive injection of money actually had on restoring the economy.* (*The bailout did help many banks, which quickly returned to profitability and proceeded to pass out large bonuses to their top management. It didn’t do as much for the economy.) The public remained livid, because the central issue of rebuilding trust was neglected. In fact, I suspect that the public trust was further eroded by three things: the version of the bailout legislation that eventually passed (which involved multiple unrelated tax cuts); the outrageous bonuses paid to people in the financial industry; and the back-to-business-as-usual attitude on Wall Street.
Now just imagine, that instead of assuming that people are perfectly rational, we realized how important trust it, and how it can be easily turned into revenge…
 

dragonfly28

Nuovo forumer
ig nobel

non ne dubitavo affatto.
mi sono spiegato male: il fatto che l'autore abbia accettato, presenziando alla consegna, ci dice che è anche persona spiritosa e intelligente.

rimane invece il dubbio su chi ha recensito: non se ne sarà accorto? avrà pensato che cmq "fa curriculum"?
a me ricorda la sindrome di totò, che nel privato vantava infiniti e ridicoli titoli nobiliari.
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
mi sono spiegato male: il fatto che l'autore abbia accettato, presenziando alla consegna, ci dice che è anche persona spiritosa e intelligente.

rimane invece il dubbio su chi ha recensito: non se ne sarà accorto? avrà pensato che cmq "fa curriculum"?

avevo capito (e la sua foto vestito da ape con il mio commento "autore serissimo" speravo strappasse un sorriso...), credo invece che il recensore non se ne sia proprio accorto... ;)

poi avevo voglia di buttare via un minuto per condividere un autore che ritengo interessante, comportandomi peraltro come nell'aneddoto riportato: io ci rimetto del tempo, ma ho la soddisfazione che Yunus dovrà mettere alcuni post in cazzeggio, perchè OT, perdendocene anche lui (nel mio caso l'oggetto del contendere la cena che non mi paga - i nostri $50 dell'esempio... :D).
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Seguirono due mesi di continua crescita dei corsi del titolo, che balzò da 17,70 a 13 euro... :-o
 

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Imark

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Fino ad arrivare, di salita in salita, ai prezzi odierni....:-o
 

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Geller

Banned
Se ne sono fatti di passi avanti, da allora... :-o

Casualmente seguo questo titolo spagnolo :)

Un piccolo dettaglio che può essere sfuggito al sapiente Mark ... :cool:

Nel 2009 (mi pare maggio o giugno) Gas Natural ha effettuato un aumento di capitale a pagamento :
n. 1 azione nuova ogni 2 vecchie possedute al prezzo di circa 7,80 eur ... ;)

Pertanto, avendo raddoppiato il numero di azioni circolanti, il paragone con le quotazioni ante adc non regge ... proprio no! :lol:
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Casualmente seguo questo titolo spagnolo :)

Un piccolo dettaglio che può essere sfuggito al sapiente Mark ... :cool:

Nel 2009 (mi pare maggio o giugno) Gas Natural ha effettuato un aumento di capitale a pagamento :
n. 1 azione nuova ogni 2 vecchie possedute al prezzo di circa 7,80 eur ... ;)

Pertanto, avendo raddoppiato il numero di azioni circolanti, il paragone con le quotazioni ante adc non regge ... proprio no! :lol:

Hai ragione, Shark, faccio ammenda... :-o quando è giusto, è giusto... :up:

Chi aveva due azioni a 17,70 (e dunque un valore di 35,40 euro) e ne ha ricevuta una terza a 7,80 euro, così detenendo 3 azioni per 43,20 euro, oggi, al termine di una lunga fase di risalita delle borse, si ritrova con un capitale di 33,33 euro... ha portato a casa qualcosa di dividendi...

Insomma, poteva andare peggio... ;)
 

ilfolignate

Forumer storico
Hai ragione, Shark, faccio ammenda... :-o quando è giusto, è giusto... :up:

Chi aveva due azioni a 17,70 (e dunque un valore di 35,40 euro) e ne ha ricevuta una terza a 7,80 euro, così detenendo 3 azioni per 43,20 euro, oggi, al termine di una lunga fase di risalita delle borse, si ritrova con un capitale di 33,33 euro... ha portato a casa qualcosa di dividendi...

Insomma, poteva andare peggio... ;)

:lol: :lol: e poi come recita un famoso detto: 'i conti si fanno a fine anno' :lol: :lol:
 

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