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gipa69
collegio dei patafisici
Donald Coxe in uno special commentary...
The fundamental reasons
for owning commodity stocks—shrinkage of reserves in
the ground in politically-secure areas of the world, the new
middle class in China and India, a global food crisis, deteriorating
government balance sheets, which have so often been the
precursors of infl ation—remain unchanged. But the prices of
the quality commodity stocks are back to where they were in
March—or last year.
For long-term investors, this is potentially a career-defi ning
opportunity. Those who believe that what they believed a few
weeks ago is still true have a chance to buy at prices they didn’t
expect to see again. For those who never believed the story, there
is that glorious secret pleasure of being proved right—at last.
We haven’t changed our views about the long term. Bailouts cannot
continue forever. Market forces will reassert themselves.
We just don’t know when.
The fundamental reasons
for owning commodity stocks—shrinkage of reserves in
the ground in politically-secure areas of the world, the new
middle class in China and India, a global food crisis, deteriorating
government balance sheets, which have so often been the
precursors of infl ation—remain unchanged. But the prices of
the quality commodity stocks are back to where they were in
March—or last year.
For long-term investors, this is potentially a career-defi ning
opportunity. Those who believe that what they believed a few
weeks ago is still true have a chance to buy at prices they didn’t
expect to see again. For those who never believed the story, there
is that glorious secret pleasure of being proved right—at last.
We haven’t changed our views about the long term. Bailouts cannot
continue forever. Market forces will reassert themselves.
We just don’t know when.
f4f
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Radical bailout plan has a jawdropping price tag
Friday September 19, 11:32 pm ET
By Tom Raum and Jeannine Aversa, Associated Press Writers
White House lays out radical financial bailout plan with jawdropping price tag: $500 billion
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080919/financial_meltdown.html
Friday September 19, 11:32 pm ET
By Tom Raum and Jeannine Aversa, Associated Press Writers
White House lays out radical financial bailout plan with jawdropping price tag: $500 billion
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080919/financial_meltdown.html
Metatarso
Forumer storico
grazie, MINIMO 500b, allora diciamo pure 800bf4f ha scritto:
che si aggiungono ai 600b dei salvataggi di Bear Stearns ecc
ma sì, facciamo un totale di 1,5t e non se ne parla più
As of September 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.7 trillion[2], about $31,700 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
però si dice che per Fannie e Feddie non sono solo 600b, ma 5t...
sia sulla pagina di Wiki che qui:
With the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, U.S. taxpayers now essentially own the bulk of the nation's mortgage market.
This ownership could even lead to a big increase in the national debt — to $15 trillion, up from just under $10 trillion now — if things don't work out as planned.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jboxxeeCc9pmZCzt1nfuqwp6KoXwD932PJO00
dunque, finora il debito era 9,7t, il PIL USA è sui 13.84t, la wiki dice rapporto debito/PIL del 65.5%
bene, con i salvataggi dei banchieri, vanno tranquillamente oltre il 100% come l'Italia
Così adesso non ci scasserà più il qazz nessuno 
PS. il Giappone è al 195%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_debt
Metatarso
Forumer storico
"A billion here, a billion there... Pretty soon it starts to add up to some real money."
banconote da un dollaro ammucchiate, quelle macchiette nere in fondo sono un omino e un auto
http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/
banconote da un dollaro ammucchiate, quelle macchiette nere in fondo sono un omino e un auto
http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/
Metatarso
Forumer storico
bello leggere i forum USA, ecco i ringraziamenti di uno yankee vedo che siamo arrivati tutti alle stesse conclusioni... 
Fuck You Henry Paulson
HANK IS BAILING OUT HIS ALUMNI AT OUR EXPENSE.
THE VERY INDIVUDUALS WHO CREATED THIS MESS WILL WALK WITH BILLIONS IN SALARY, BONUS' AND GOLDEN PARACHUTES WHILE THE TAXPAYERS FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME SUFFER FINANCIALLY.
FUCK YOU HANK. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST DICKHEAD TO EVER ENJOY THE PRIVELEGE OF BEING A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED SATES OF AMERICA. BENEDICT ARNOLD WAS A MORE HONORABLE CITIZEN THAN YOU.
YOUR METHODOLOGY IS NOTHING SHORT OF TREASON JUST THE SAME AS THE BUSH TRADE POLICIES.
MAY GOD STRIKE YOUR SOUL DEAD IMMEDIATELY. YOU DESERVE NOTHING SHORT THEREOF.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=137552
vedo che siamo arrivati tutti alle stesse conclusioni... Fuck You Henry Paulson
HANK IS BAILING OUT HIS ALUMNI AT OUR EXPENSE.
THE VERY INDIVUDUALS WHO CREATED THIS MESS WILL WALK WITH BILLIONS IN SALARY, BONUS' AND GOLDEN PARACHUTES WHILE THE TAXPAYERS FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME SUFFER FINANCIALLY.
FUCK YOU HANK. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST DICKHEAD TO EVER ENJOY THE PRIVELEGE OF BEING A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED SATES OF AMERICA. BENEDICT ARNOLD WAS A MORE HONORABLE CITIZEN THAN YOU.
YOUR METHODOLOGY IS NOTHING SHORT OF TREASON JUST THE SAME AS THE BUSH TRADE POLICIES.
MAY GOD STRIKE YOUR SOUL DEAD IMMEDIATELY. YOU DESERVE NOTHING SHORT THEREOF.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=137552
gipa69
collegio dei patafisici
Metatarso ha scritto:bello leggere i forum USA, ecco i ringraziamenti di uno yankee
Fuck You Henry Paulson
HANK IS BAILING OUT HIS ALUMNI AT OUR EXPENSE.
THE VERY INDIVUDUALS WHO CREATED THIS MESS WILL WALK WITH BILLIONS IN SALARY, BONUS' AND GOLDEN PARACHUTES WHILE THE TAXPAYERS FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME SUFFER FINANCIALLY.
FUCK YOU HANK. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST DICKHEAD TO EVER ENJOY THE PRIVELEGE OF BEING A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED SATES OF AMERICA. BENEDICT ARNOLD WAS A MORE HONORABLE CITIZEN THAN YOU.
YOUR METHODOLOGY IS NOTHING SHORT OF TREASON JUST THE SAME AS THE BUSH TRADE POLICIES.
MAY GOD STRIKE YOUR SOUL DEAD IMMEDIATELY. YOU DESERVE NOTHING SHORT THEREOF.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=137552
Nel 1990 l'RTC raccolse debiti per 520 billions pari al 9% del gdp di allora.
A valori attuali sarebbe pari a circa 1300 billions che unito ai circa 600 billions di svalutazioni arriverebbe alla cifra di 2 triliardi di dollari stimata anche da Roubini come essere la somma totale delle svalutazioni necessarie.
All'epoca gli asset furono poi venduti a 349 billions con una perdita per i taxpayer di circa 125 billions pari a circa il 24% della somma totale.
Il 25% di 1300 billions sarebbe circa 320 billions di perdite per i taxpayers.
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