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VET ho fatto un po' di casino con il messaggio ...ripeto qui ...sarei interessato anchio a B P C E al 9 % ho trovato il prospetto 74 pagine in inglese una fatica e ho una paura di sbagliare a capire puoi aiutarmi ti ringrazio ....so che ne abbiamo gia' parlato ma non riesco a trovare la discussione ....:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:
 
IL BASILEA II DEGLI USA?


By Karen Brettell​
By Karen Brettell

NEW YORK, May 20 (Reuters) - Trust preferred securities may​
NEW YORK, May 20 (Reuters) - Trust preferred securities may
no longer count as Tier 1 capital for banks under new US​
no longer count as Tier 1 capital for banks under new U.S.
rules, which may result in some banks needing to raise new​
rules, which may result in some banks needing to raise new
capital, while the securities may also be made subject to​
capital, while the securities may therefore be made subject to
buybacks or exchanges.​
buybacks or exchanges.

The US Senate last week unanimously adopted a measure​
The U.S. Senate last week unanimously adopted a measure
sponsored by Republican Senator Susan Collins that would​
sponsored by Republican Senator Susan Collins that would
require large financial firms to set aside more capital to​
require large financial firms to set aside more capital to
boost their stability during times of crisis.​
boost their stability during times of crisis.

The amendment is now part of the Financial Reform Bill,​
The amendment is now part of the Financial Reform Bill,
which is expected to be voted on this week.​
which is expected to be voted on this week.

The measure requires that Tier 1 capital at bank holding​
The measure requires that Tier 1 capital at bank holding
companies comprise only equity and not hybrid instruments such​
companies comprise only equity and hybrid instruments such not
as trust preferreds.​
as trust preferred.
Trust preferreds are equity-like​
Trust Preferred are equity-like
securities that also make quarterly interest payments and​
securities so that make quarterly interest payments and
qualify as debt for tax purposes.​
qualify as debt for tax purposes.

The securities account for more than $125 billion in Tier 1​
The securities account for more than $ 125 billion in Tier 1
bank capital, analysts at Barclays Capital said in a report.​
report bank capital, analysts at Barclays Capital said in a.

"The loss of Tier 1 status of these securities, if the​
"The loss of Tier 1 status of these securities, if the
proposal is enacted, may have material consequences for the​
proposal is enacted, may have material consequences for the
capitalization ratios of several credits," they said.​
capitalization ratios of several credits, "they said.

Capital One (COF.N) may be among the most affected banks,​
Capital One (COF.N) may be among the most affected banks,
as it holds around 31 percent of its Tier One capital in trust​
as it holds around 31 Percent of its tier one capital in trust
preferreds, Barclays said.​
preferred, Barclays said.

A Capital One spokesperson was not immediately available​
A Capital One spokesperson was not available immediately
to comment.​
To comment.

Analysts at credit research firm CreditSights said Capital​
Analysts at credit research firm CreditSights said Capital
One may need to raise as much as $1.75 billion in new capital​
One may need to raise as much as $ 1.75 billion in new capital
if rules were implemented that both increase Tier 1 capital​
if rules were implemented that increase both Tier 1 capital
requirements to 8 percent and exclude trust preferreds from the​
requirements to 8 percent and exclude from the Trust Preferred
holdings.​
holdings.

The bank, however, would not face any shortfall under the​
The bank, however, would not face any shortfall under the
current 6 percent ratio, they said.​
current 6 percent ratio, they said.

"We note that most all US banks have extremely robust​
"We note that most all U.S. banks not have extremely robust
Tier 1 capital ratios at this time, and by our estimates all of​
Tier 1 capital ratios at this time, and by our estimates of all
the banks in our universe would be able to maintain capital​
the banks in our universe would be able to maintain capital
above the current 6 percent minimum Tier 1 ratio even if trust​
above the current 6 percent minimum Tier 1 ratio even if trust
preferreds were excluded," they added.​
preferred were excluded, "they added.

M&T Bank (MTB.N), however, may also potentially face a $592​
M & T Bank (MTB.N), however, may therefore potentially face a $ 592
million shortfall if Tier 1 ratios are increased to 8 percent​
million shortfall if Tier 1 ratios are increased to 8 percent
and trust preferreds are excluded, CreditSights said.​
and Trust Preferred are excluded, CreditSights said.

An M&T spokesman said the bank does not comment on proposed​
An M & T spokesman said the bank does not comment on proposed
legislation.​
legislation.

Tier 1 capital is a measure of a bank's strength and is​
Tier 1 capital is a measure of a bank's strength and is
based on aa ratio of core equity relative to assets.​
based on aa ratio of core equity relative to assets.

Debt issuers may also be more likely to attempt to buy back​
Debt issuers may therefore be more likely to attempt to buy back
the debt, or exchange it for other securities, as they become​
the debt, or exchange it for other securities, as they become
less attractive from a capital standpoint, Barclays said.​
less attractive from a capital standpoint, Barclays said.

This could be favorable for bonds that are currently​
This could be favorable for bonds that are currently
trading below par, as issuers may seek to buy back debt with a​
trading below par, as issuers may seek to buy back debt with a
low coupon at a premium or buy back high coupon debt at their​
low coupon at a premium or buy back high-coupon debt at their
par value, the bank said.​
par value, the bank said.

Issuers may also try to exchange the debt for more senior​
Issuers may also try to exchange the debt for more senior
bonds with a lower interest expense or for junior bonds that​
bonds with a lower interest expense or for junior bonds that
have better capital treatment, both of which would likely​
have better capital treatment, both of which would likely
happen at a premium to current prices.​
happen at a premium to current prices.

Bonds currently trading above their par value, by contrast,​
Bonds currently trading above their par value, by contrast,
may potentially be bought back at their par value, causing a​
may potentially be bought back at their par value, causing a
mark to market loss for the holder.​
mark to market loss for the holder.
This is because most trust​
This is because most trust
preferreds have an option for the issuer to buy back the debt​
have preferred an option for the issuer to buy back the debt
at par in the case of a "capital treatment event," Barclays​
at par in the case of a "capital treatment event," Barclays
said.​
said.
(Editing by Dan Grebler)​
(Editing by Dan Grebler)
 
Implikationen wären nicht zu unterschätzen.​
Implications would not be underestimated.
Ist aber noch nicht fix.​
Is still not fixed.

By Karen Brettell​
By Karen Brettell


BASILEA II USA?

NEW YORK, May 20 (Reuters) - Trust preferred securities may​
NEW YORK, May 20 (Reuters) - Trust preferred securities may
no longer count as Tier 1 capital for banks under new US​
no longer count as Tier 1 capital for banks under new U.S.
rules, which may result in some banks needing to raise new​
rules, which may result in some banks needing to raise new
capital, while the securities may also be made subject to​
capital, while the securities may therefore be made subject to
buybacks or exchanges.​
buybacks or exchanges.

The US Senate last week unanimously adopted a measure​
The U.S. Senate last week unanimously adopted a measure
sponsored by Republican Senator Susan Collins that would​
sponsored by Republican Senator Susan Collins that would
require large financial firms to set aside more capital to​
require large financial firms to set aside more capital to
boost their stability during times of crisis.​
boost their stability during times of crisis.

The amendment is now part of the Financial Reform Bill,​
The amendment is now part of the Financial Reform Bill,
which is expected to be voted on this week.​
which is expected to be voted on this week.

The measure requires that Tier 1 capital at bank holding​
The measure requires that Tier 1 capital at bank holding
companies comprise only equity and not hybrid instruments such​
companies comprise only equity and hybrid instruments such not
as trust preferreds.​
as trust preferred.
Trust preferreds are equity-like​
Trust Preferred are equity-like
securities that also make quarterly interest payments and​
securities so that make quarterly interest payments and
qualify as debt for tax purposes.​
qualify as debt for tax purposes.

The securities account for more than $125 billion in Tier 1​
The securities account for more than $ 125 billion in Tier 1
bank capital, analysts at Barclays Capital said in a report.​
report bank capital, analysts at Barclays Capital said in a.

"The loss of Tier 1 status of these securities, if the​
"The loss of Tier 1 status of these securities, if the
proposal is enacted, may have material consequences for the​
proposal is enacted, may have material consequences for the
capitalization ratios of several credits," they said.​
capitalization ratios of several credits, "they said.

Capital One (COF.N) may be among the most affected banks,​
Capital One (COF.N) may be among the most affected banks,
as it holds around 31 percent of its Tier One capital in trust​
as it holds around 31 Percent of its tier one capital in trust
preferreds, Barclays said.​
preferred, Barclays said.

A Capital One spokesperson was not immediately available​
A Capital One spokesperson was not available immediately
to comment.​
To comment.

Analysts at credit research firm CreditSights said Capital​
Analysts at credit research firm CreditSights said Capital
One may need to raise as much as $1.75 billion in new capital​
One may need to raise as much as $ 1.75 billion in new capital
if rules were implemented that both increase Tier 1 capital​
if rules were implemented that increase both Tier 1 capital
requirements to 8 percent and exclude trust preferreds from the​
requirements to 8 percent and exclude from the Trust Preferred
holdings.​
holdings.

The bank, however, would not face any shortfall under the​
The bank, however, would not face any shortfall under the
current 6 percent ratio, they said.​
current 6 percent ratio, they said.

"We note that most all US banks have extremely robust​
"We note that most all U.S. banks not have extremely robust
Tier 1 capital ratios at this time, and by our estimates all of​
Tier 1 capital ratios at this time, and by our estimates of all
the banks in our universe would be able to maintain capital​
the banks in our universe would be able to maintain capital
above the current 6 percent minimum Tier 1 ratio even if trust​
above the current 6 percent minimum Tier 1 ratio even if trust
preferreds were excluded," they added.​
preferred were excluded, "they added.

M&T Bank (MTB.N), however, may also potentially face a $592​
M & T Bank (MTB.N), however, may therefore potentially face a $ 592
million shortfall if Tier 1 ratios are increased to 8 percent​
million shortfall if Tier 1 ratios are increased to 8 percent
and trust preferreds are excluded, CreditSights said.​
and Trust Preferred are excluded, CreditSights said.

An M&T spokesman said the bank does not comment on proposed​
An M & T spokesman said the bank does not comment on proposed
legislation.​
legislation.

Tier 1 capital is a measure of a bank's strength and is​
Tier 1 capital is a measure of a bank's strength and is
based on aa ratio of core equity relative to assets.​
based on aa ratio of core equity relative to assets.

Debt issuers may also be more likely to attempt to buy back​
Debt issuers may therefore be more likely to attempt to buy back
the debt, or exchange it for other securities, as they become​
the debt, or exchange it for other securities, as they become
less attractive from a capital standpoint, Barclays said.​
less attractive from a capital standpoint, Barclays said.

This could be favorable for bonds that are currently​
This could be favorable for bonds that are currently
trading below par, as issuers may seek to buy back debt with a​
trading below par, as issuers may seek to buy back debt with a
low coupon at a premium or buy back high coupon debt at their​
low coupon at a premium or buy back high-coupon debt at their
par value, the bank said.​
par value, the bank said.

Issuers may also try to exchange the debt for more senior​
Issuers may also try to exchange the debt for more senior
bonds with a lower interest expense or for junior bonds that​
bonds with a lower interest expense or for junior bonds that
have better capital treatment, both of which would likely​
have better capital treatment, both of which would likely
happen at a premium to current prices.​
happen at a premium to current prices.

Bonds currently trading above their par value, by contrast,​
Bonds currently trading above their par value, by contrast,
may potentially be bought back at their par value, causing a​
may potentially be bought back at their par value, causing a
mark to market loss for the holder.​
mark to market loss for the holder.
This is because most trust​
This is because most trust
preferreds have an option for the issuer to buy back the debt​
have preferred an option for the issuer to buy back the debt
at par in the case of a "capital treatment event," Barclays​
at par in the case of a "capital treatment event," Barclays
said.​
said.
(Editing by Dan Grebler)​
(Editing by Dan Grebler)
 
salvataggio cajasur

utile a sapersi se avete in portafoglio bond di banche spagnole....:rolleyes:

Cajasur, la cassa di risparmio di Cordoba di cui la Banca centrale di Spagna ha preso il controllo sabato per evitarne il tracollo, sarà messa all'asta in un periodo relativamente breve. Lo ha confermato oggi il ministro delle Finanze spagnolo, Elena Salgado, convinto che il complesso del sistema bancario spagnolo sia ''assolutamente solvibile''.

Ma il salvataggio di Cajasur potrebbe costare 2,7 miliardi. Infatti, stando ad alcune fonti vicine alla vicenda, l'istituto necessita di un'iniezione di almeno 523 milioni per raggiungere il minimo legale di solvibilità finanziaria. E serviranno altri fondi per fare pulizia di 1,5 miliardi di crediti dubbi, per i 364 milioni di crediti inesigibili e per le svalutazioni immobiliari.

Vista la gravità della situazione, la Banca di Spagna avvierà anche un'inchiesta sulla gestione negli ultimi anni della cassa di risparmio cattolica andalusa. Le prime rilevazioni indicano infatti che la cassa ha continuato a esporsi verso il settore immobiliare anche nel 2009, quando ormai il mercato del mattone era fermo e in profonda crisi dopo l'esplosione della sua bolla in Spagna.

Le forti perdite e gli elevati crediti a società del settore hanno fatto si che la cassa di Cordoba violasse la normativa sulle risorse proprie minime''. La Banca di Spagna sta d'altra parte accelerando i suoi sforzi per risanare il sistema delle casse di risparmio locali, che durante il boom economico hanno aumentato di circa cinque volte il credito e oggi hanno nel proprio bilancio la metà dei prestiti privati concessi nel Paese iberico.

Questo è il secondo salvataggio di una cassa di risparmio regionale dall'inizio della crisi nel 2008 e arriva in un momento molto delicato per il Paese che ha avviato una cura di austerità per risanare i conti pubblici. Cajasur, che è una cassa di risparmio dell'Andalusia (Sud della Spagna) ed è stata fino a sabato controllata dalla Chiesa Cattolica, è stata messa sotto tutela dopo il fallimento del progetto di fusione con Unicaja.

Cajasur rappresenta lo 0,6% degli asset bancari spagnoli. A marzo dello scorso anno la Banca di Spagna aveva già salvato la Cassa di Risparmio della Mancia e di Castiglia (Ccm). Mentre le grandi banche spagnole, Santander e Bbva in primis, hanno ben resistito alla crisi, le casse di risparmio regionali, di dimensioni più ridotte e generalmente controllate da enti o autorità locali, sono state indebolite dal crollo del mercato immobiliare spagnolo. Nel novembre 2009, il governatore della Banca di Spagna, Miguel Fernandez Ordonez, aveva stimato che almeno 15 Casse avrebbero dovuto fondersi per sopravvivere.

Il fallimento di Cajasur non porterà a uno "shock finanziario" in Spagna e nell'area euro, perchè nel sistema c'è "liquidità sufficiente", anche se "continueremo a vedere eventi simili nelle prossime settimane", ha affermato all'agenzia Mf-Dow Jones Giada Giani, economista di Citigroup. Per far fronte alla ricapitalizzazione verrà usato il fondo creato per finanziare le banche in default spagnole con scadenza a fine giugno. Secondo Giani però tale canale verrà esteso e garantirà alla banca 500 milioni di euro.

Nel settore bancario spagnolo è necessaria "una ristrutturazione", prosegue l'economista di Citigroup, che "dovrebbe fornire opportunità di crescita e miglioramenti delle quote di mercato per le banche", commenta Carlos Peixoto, analista di Bpi. A beneficiare maggiormente sarebbero Santander e Bbva. Tuttavia per Rbs il salvataggio di Cajasur è una notizia
preoccupante per l'Eurozona.

L'esposizione di Cajasur al mercato immobiliare locale era elevata come per molte altre casse di risparmio del Paese. Anche gli analisti del Credit Suisse ritengono che il takeover della Banca Centrale spagnola finalizzato al salvataggio dell'istituto bancario possa scatenare preoccupazioni per il sistema finanziario, sia sotto l'aspetto del rischio sovrano che per l'economia tout court. I costi di finanziamento per le banche probabilmente registreranno un aumento graduale a causa del rischio sovrano, dell'aumento dei costi di deposito e della ristrutturazione del sistema finanziario.
 
VET ho fatto un po' di casino con il messaggio ...ripeto qui ...sarei interessato anchio a B P C E al 9 % ho trovato il prospetto 74 pagine in inglese una fatica e ho una paura di sbagliare a capire puoi aiutarmi ti ringrazio ....so che ne abbiamo gia' parlato ma non riesco a trovare la discussione ....:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

senza offesa.....secondo me sarebbe più appropriato il nick 'nosforzo' ;)

.....e non mi pare di essere il primo a farlo notare
 
ing127 ask 55,25
ing219 88
lodi 81,75
erste 152 61,25
bnp 319 77,75
ba k8 54,5

Ho Comprato il Secondo Cip avanti cosi,se pensate che stò casino è perchè è fallita una Banca Regionale Spagnola,che nessuno nemmeno qui conosceva,significa proprio che il Mercato vuole scendere.
Cmq ho Paura che Sotto la Cenere covi Qlc,l'eur3mesi che sale ogni giorno non è un bel segno..
 
quote b sella odierne
dpb 917 63.5 66
axa 174 69.5 70.6 illiquida
mps 827 88.75 90.5 questa e' ottima quasi sucuro calla nel 2011 insider????
rbz 040 51 53


intesa 663 90 91.25
 
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