va a de via i ciap tbond tbund ttromb ecc..ecc.. (vietato ai minori e basta..)

il mio Hedge è già short di 74miliardi di euri su Ucg da 7,37 puntiamo ad un Tp a ZERO,ZERO23 :D:D:D


ricordate che diceva roubini qualche giorno fa ? si potrebbero chiudere le borse per qualche giorno .... ora visti i volumi da fame e la scarsezza di compratori .... con i bancari europei che fanno festa grande ... penso che sto tipo non abbia tutti i torti ....
 
dopo aver fatto fuori tutte le banke d'investimento e lo sterminio degli hedge funds in corso, penso proprio che i volumi futuri saranno ancora più bassi quando la vola tornerà a livelli umani:(
 
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Deutsche Bank Derivatives Loss May Top $400 Million (Update2)
By Jacqueline Simmons and Jonathan Keehner
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Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Deutsche Bank AG, Germany's biggest bank, lost more than $400 million on equity derivatives trades as stock markets headed for their biggest rout since the 1930s, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said.
The loss, equal to almost half of the Frankfurt-based company's second-quarter revenue from equity sales and trading, is a black eye for Richard Carson, global head of equity derivatives, and may signal more job losses at the bank.
``Everybody assumed most of the job cuts would be in fixed income, but when you incur a loss of more than $400 million in equity derivatives that might warrant cuts across asset classes as well as fixed income,'' said Bahadour Moussa, who specializes in derivatives recruitment at London-based Pelham International.
Deutsche Bank, led by Chief Executive Officer Josef Ackermann, may post its second quarterly loss of the year this week on writedowns and slowing revenue from investment-banking, according to the median estimate of six analysts. At the investment bank, co-headed by Anshu Jain, equity sales and trading revenue sank 49 percent in the first half as customers shunned structured products. The credit-crisis spread to equity markets in the third quarter, and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index is now heading for its worst month since 1938.
``In a volatile environment, anyone with a large inventory is vulnerable to surprising moves,'' said Matthew Clark, a London-based analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Ltd. ``We know Deutsche has had some troubles with equity derivatives in previous quarters.''
Shares Drop
Carson, 36, reports to Yassine Bouhara, the bank's global head of equities. Carson didn't return calls to his London office and cell phone seeking comment. Officials at Deutsche Bank in London and Frankfurt declined to comment.
Deutsche Bank dropped 15 percent to 25.69 euros in Frankfurt trading. The bank, which agreed last month to pay 2.8 billion euros ($3.5 billion) for 30 percent of Deutsche Postbank AG, may have to pay an additional 300 million euros for the stake after Postbank announced a 1 billion-euro share sale today. Postbank, Germany's biggest consumer bank by customers, dropped the most in more than four years in Frankfurt.
The stumble in derivatives is one of the biggest in sales and trading since Jain and Michael Cohrs, 50, took over the investment bank in 2004. Two years later, the bank's sales and trading were dragged down by losses from trading stocks for its own account. That year, then-Chief Financial Officer Anthony Di Iorio said the bank lost less than 100 million euros trading stocks for its own account in the second quarter.
Bonuses Forgone
Ackermann, 60, the highest-paid executive within Germany's top 30 companies, opted to forgo his 2008 bonus. Cohrs and Jain, 45, also agreed to go without the year-end payouts.
Volatile markets are curbing revenue at some of the world's largest banks. New York-based Citigroup Inc. said on Oct. 16 revenue from equity trading fell 54 percent in the third quarter on losses in convertibles, holdings of government sponsored enterprises and proprietary trading. Credit Suisse Group AG said last week 1.7 billion Swiss francs ($1.5 billion) of trading losses contributed to its second unprofitable quarter this year.
Deutsche Bank said in July second-quarter revenue from equity sales and trading dropped to 830 million euros from 1.4 billion euros in the same period a year earlier as demand for equity derivatives waned.
``The dislocations on capital markets in September must have had a catastrophic impact on the business'' at Deutsche Bank, Dirk Becker, a Frankfurt-based analyst at Kepler Capital Markets, said in a note to investors.
Lehman Bankruptcy
Deutsche Bank's securities unit, known as corporate banking and securities, accounted for almost half of the company's total profit in 2007.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s bankruptcy on Sept. 15 roiled equity and debt markets and forced governments from Washington to Berlin to shore up banks' capital. Deutsche Bank has booked markdowns of 7.3 billion euros since last year, and banks and brokers worldwide have reported credit losses and writedowns of more than $670 billion since the collapse of the U.S. subprime-mortgage market.
 
giuro che se qualche banca italiana ha l'aiuto dello stato gli scrivo una lettera a sto pirla .... da ricordare a vita ... ormai sta rompendo da settimane su qs argomento ...

Le banche italiane hanno «una buona capitalizzazione» e non serve l'ingresso del Tesoro per la ripatrimonializzazione degli Istituti consentito dal decreto legge varato dal Governo. Lo ha detto il presidente dell'Abi, Corrado Faissola, intervenendo in audizione davanti alla commissione Finanze del Senato sulla crisi dei mercati finanziari. «Per quanto riguarda la misura relativa al rafforzamento patrimoniale - ha detto - riteniamo che la solidità del sistema bancario italiano non dovrebbe rendere necessario sfruttare l'opportunità offerta dal provvedimento varato dal Governo che giudichiamo peraltro ben strutturato e consideriamo una ulteriore rete di sicurezza ed un ulteriore strumento prudenziale». Per Faissola, «occorrerebbe, peraltro, consentire una maggiore diversificazione degli strumenti finanziari a disposizione dello Stato per concorrere, se necessario, al rafforzamento del patrimonio di base delle banche».

«Il modello di business che ha portato alla situazione attuale - ha proseguito Faissola - è un modello estraneo alle banche italiane, le quali sono state negli anni fortemente impegnate a svilupparsi secondo linee di attività tradizionali (devo rimarcare qui, che per questo negli anni scorsi abbiamo dovuto subire talvolta anche critiche ingenerose). Ricordo peraltro, che mentre l'innovazione finanziaria assumeva i caratteri perniciosi che oggi tutti criticano, il nostro sistema era fortemente impegnato a consolidarsi e ad estendere la sua influenza sui mercati europei, particolarmente nei paesi dell'est». Il coinvolgimento delle banche italiane nella crisi è dunque un coinvolgimento sostanzialmente indiretto (titoli detenuti in portafoglio) e derivante dalla partecipazione a mercati, come quelli della liquidità, che sono globali. Ciò non ha purtroppo impedito che in mercati ormai pienamente globalizzati si avessero riflessi rilevanti anche sulle banche italiane, in termini di perdite dei valori azionari e dunque di capitalizzazione di borsa.

Come conseguenza della crisi dei mercati «si teme in particolare una interruzione dei flussi di credito verso le imprese», ma «il complesso dei dati di cui disponiamo, induce a ritenere che non vi siano al momento segnali di restrizione nè sul fronte delle quantità offerte nè su quello dei prezzi praticati».

La crisi dei mercati finanziari, secondo il presidente dell'Abi, produrrà una minore crescita dell'economia mondiale e una perdita di Pil in termini reali nel biennio 2008-2009 di circa il 3% per Stati Uniti, Europa e Italia.
 
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Deutsche Bank Derivatives Loss May Top $400 Million (Update2)
By Jacqueline Simmons and Jonathan Keehner
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Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Deutsche Bank AG, Germany's biggest bank, lost more than $400 million on equity derivatives trades as stock markets headed for their biggest rout since the 1930s, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said.
The loss, equal to almost half of the Frankfurt-based company's second-quarter revenue from equity sales and trading, is a black eye for Richard Carson, global head of equity derivatives, and may signal more job losses at the bank.
``Everybody assumed most of the job cuts would be in fixed income, but when you incur a loss of more than $400 million in equity derivatives that might warrant cuts across asset classes as well as fixed income,'' said Bahadour Moussa, who specializes in derivatives recruitment at London-based Pelham International.
Deutsche Bank, led by Chief Executive Officer Josef Ackermann, may post its second quarterly loss of the year this week on writedowns and slowing revenue from investment-banking, according to the median estimate of six analysts. At the investment bank, co-headed by Anshu Jain, equity sales and trading revenue sank 49 percent in the first half as customers shunned structured products. The credit-crisis spread to equity markets in the third quarter, and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index is now heading for its worst month since 1938.
``In a volatile environment, anyone with a large inventory is vulnerable to surprising moves,'' said Matthew Clark, a London-based analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Ltd. ``We know Deutsche has had some troubles with equity derivatives in previous quarters.''
Shares Drop
Carson, 36, reports to Yassine Bouhara, the bank's global head of equities. Carson didn't return calls to his London office and cell phone seeking comment. Officials at Deutsche Bank in London and Frankfurt declined to comment.
Deutsche Bank dropped 15 percent to 25.69 euros in Frankfurt trading. The bank, which agreed last month to pay 2.8 billion euros ($3.5 billion) for 30 percent of Deutsche Postbank AG, may have to pay an additional 300 million euros for the stake after Postbank announced a 1 billion-euro share sale today. Postbank, Germany's biggest consumer bank by customers, dropped the most in more than four years in Frankfurt.
The stumble in derivatives is one of the biggest in sales and trading since Jain and Michael Cohrs, 50, took over the investment bank in 2004. Two years later, the bank's sales and trading were dragged down by losses from trading stocks for its own account. That year, then-Chief Financial Officer Anthony Di Iorio said the bank lost less than 100 million euros trading stocks for its own account in the second quarter.
Bonuses Forgone
Ackermann, 60, the highest-paid executive within Germany's top 30 companies, opted to forgo his 2008 bonus. Cohrs and Jain, 45, also agreed to go without the year-end payouts.
Volatile markets are curbing revenue at some of the world's largest banks. New York-based Citigroup Inc. said on Oct. 16 revenue from equity trading fell 54 percent in the third quarter on losses in convertibles, holdings of government sponsored enterprises and proprietary trading. Credit Suisse Group AG said last week 1.7 billion Swiss francs ($1.5 billion) of trading losses contributed to its second unprofitable quarter this year.
Deutsche Bank said in July second-quarter revenue from equity sales and trading dropped to 830 million euros from 1.4 billion euros in the same period a year earlier as demand for equity derivatives waned.
``The dislocations on capital markets in September must have had a catastrophic impact on the business'' at Deutsche Bank, Dirk Becker, a Frankfurt-based analyst at Kepler Capital Markets, said in a note to investors.
Lehman Bankruptcy
Deutsche Bank's securities unit, known as corporate banking and securities, accounted for almost half of the company's total profit in 2007.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s bankruptcy on Sept. 15 roiled equity and debt markets and forced governments from Washington to Berlin to shore up banks' capital. Deutsche Bank has booked markdowns of 7.3 billion euros since last year, and banks and brokers worldwide have reported credit losses and writedowns of more than $670 billion since the collapse of the U.S. subprime-mortgage market.


Pilu segnati Ackermann che è quello che ha detto che lui gli aiuti statali li snobba.... :rolleyes:
 
Pilu segnati Ackermann che è quello che ha detto che lui gli aiuti statali li snobba.... :rolleyes:

ormai la lista è così lunga che potremmo scrivere un libro che penso avrebbe un successo senza precedenti .... quasi quasi ...... lo facciamo ?

il Titolo potrebbe essere "STORIE DI VITA di DAN e i SUOI AMICI" ....

in forma scherzosa prendendo esempio dalle cose che ogni giorno scriviamo .. potremmo raccontare come qs signori ci hanno preso in giro in qs mesi o anni .....
 

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