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gipa69

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Goldman Sachs on overvalued US house prices
August 23, 2007 | Leave a Comment
Based on an affordability measure that looked at the home price/income ratio adjusted by nominal mortgage rates, Goldman Sachs had previously figured that US house prices were around 15% overvalued. However, in light of the current sub-prime crisis, GS notes their measure may yield overly optimistic results as it ignores changes both the availability of credit and nonconforming mortgage rates. Hence, simpler measures such as the price/income ratio, or price/rent ratio, may paint a more accurate valuation picture. Based on these measures, Goldman says ‘Even if we assume that the long-term trend for price/income and price/rent is higher now than the average of the 1975-2000 period (because interest rates are likely to stay lower), cumulative nominal price declines of 15%-30% are possible’:

If this is correct, we may be looking at significantly larger nominal home price declines than previously seemed likely. Depending on one’s assumptions about the length of the adjustment period and the growth pace of rents and median household income, these benchmark measures suggest cumulative nominal home price declines of 15%-30% over the next few years. This would have considerably more dire implications for mortgage credit quality than the 5%-15% drop suggested by the “affordability” approach. Moreover, it would raise the risk of an adverse spiral of deteriorating credit quality, lower access to credit, and reduced homeownership and net demand for housing that could weigh on US economic activity for an extended period of time.

Source: Goldman Sachs, US Daily Financial Market Comment, 22 Aug
 

gipa69

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UBS model predicts 1-5 chance of recession
August 23, 2007
UBS - Global Economics Comment

UBS update their (probit) regression framework of the economy to assess the probability of a recession. The model looks at asset prices that have a good correlation with the economic cycle and is built on the idea that ‘the collective judgment of investors represents the best ‘real-time’ read on likely future cyclical outcomes’. Key inputs include the shape of the yield curve, the performance of cyclical stocks relative to defensive stocks, metals prices, AUD/CHF, and corporate bond spreads. Each of these provides a recession probability, which can be combined to give an overall probability of recession. ABN reports:

The yield curve is clearly ‘flashing’ the greatest cautionary signal, with a global recession probability in excess of 30%. The recession probabilities of the remaining indicators are somewhat lower, though all of them have risen in recent weeks.



Charting the combined recession probability yields the following chart:



The message is pretty straightforward: the markets’ estimation of global recession likelihood has risen and at present lies at about 20%.

However, UBS also observes:

… even with the current recession probability estimate hovering around 20%, it is well below the levels attained ahead of prior recessions (i.e., in those cases where the ‘actual’ line reached a value of ‘1’). Moreover, in the mid-1980s and again in 1998, the estimated probabilities rose to levels above current reads, but without correctly predicting a recession outcome. Also, as we noted earlier this year, the yield curve appears to have lost some of its predictive power—curves today are more prone to be flat or inverted than in past cycles.

Yet it is also correct that, unlike earlier this year when asset prices were flashing elevated recession probabilities, financial and economic fundamentals have deteriorated. The sharp curtailment of credit in capital markets and selected areas of the ‘real’ economy are more worrisome than was the case during the market setback of February-March. US house prices and activity show no signs of stabilizing. And credit markets are exhibiting clear signs of stress, as financial institutions reduce risk and counterparty exposure.

Concluding:

… we believe outright recession ought to be avoided provided that policy responses are appropriate and that markets settle down. Nevertheless, as we noted in our published work this week, the case for a period of below-consensus and below-trend US GDP growth has been reinforced, as has the fundamental justification for Fed easing in H2 2007.
 

quicksilver

Forumer storico
MUTUI: SUBPRIME; FED, PRESTITI A TASSO SCONTO POCO USATI
(ANSA) - NEW YORK, 23 AGO - Cresce, ma sembra ancora non
decollare l'utilizzo del 'discount window', il taglio cioé del
tasso di sconto approvato venerdì a sorpresa dalla Federal
Reserve, che lo ha portato dal 6,25%, al 5,75%.
E' la stessa Banca centrale Usa a fornire i dati, nelle sue
rilevazioni settimanali, spiegando che fino a mercoledì, i
finanziamenti erogati sono stati pari a 2 miliardi, esattamente
la cifra totale richiesta da Citigroup, Bank of America, Jp
Morgan e Wachovia che hanno reso noto il ricorso a una linea di
credito da 500 milioni di dollari ciascuno.
Nella settimana precedente, l'ammontare si è attestato a
1,07 miliardi. Se da un lato appare chiaro che le banche sono al
fianco della Fed nel tentativo di portare la calma sui mercati
quanto all'erogazione del credito, dall'altro lato sembra che lo
strumento si ancora poco sfruttato rispetto al potenziale.
(ANSA).
 

f4f

翠鸟科
gooood morning bbbanda

ah beh , mercato 'riflessivo'
interessante cercare di capire l'umore che gira,
direi molto meno emotivo e più composto rispetto a una settimana fa
 

f4f

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gipa69 ha scritto:
UBS model predicts 1-5 chance of recession
August 23, 2007
UBS - Global Economics Comment

UBS update their (probit) regression framework of the economy to assess the probability of a recession. The model looks at asset prices that have a good correlation with the economic cycle and is built on the idea that ‘the collective judgment of investors represents the best ‘real-time’ read on likely future cyclical outcomes’. Key inputs include the shape of the yield curve, the performance of cyclical stocks relative to defensive stocks, metals prices, AUD/CHF, and corporate bond spreads. Each of these provides a recession probability, which can be combined to give an overall probability of recession. ABN reports:

The yield curve is clearly ‘flashing’ the greatest cautionary signal, with a global recession probability in excess of 30%. The recession probabilities of the remaining indicators are somewhat lower, though all of them have risen in recent weeks.



Charting the combined recession probability yields the following chart:



The message is pretty straightforward: the markets’ estimation of global recession likelihood has risen and at present lies at about 20%.

However, UBS also observes:

… even with the current recession probability estimate hovering around 20%, it is well below the levels attained ahead of prior recessions (i.e., in those cases where the ‘actual’ line reached a value of ‘1’). Moreover, in the mid-1980s and again in 1998, the estimated probabilities rose to levels above current reads, but without correctly predicting a recession outcome. Also, as we noted earlier this year, the yield curve appears to have lost some of its predictive power—curves today are more prone to be flat or inverted than in past cycles.

Yet it is also correct that, unlike earlier this year when asset prices were flashing elevated recession probabilities, financial and economic fundamentals have deteriorated. The sharp curtailment of credit in capital markets and selected areas of the ‘real’ economy are more worrisome than was the case during the market setback of February-March. US house prices and activity show no signs of stabilizing. And credit markets are exhibiting clear signs of stress, as financial institutions reduce risk and counterparty exposure.

Concluding:

… we believe outright recession ought to be avoided provided that policy responses are appropriate and that markets settle down. Nevertheless, as we noted in our published work this week, the case for a period of below-consensus and below-trend US GDP growth has been reinforced, as has the fundamental justification for Fed easing in H2 2007.

interessante
non ho ben capito perchè prima stimino il 30% e poi il 20%
ma cmq anche qui il tono pare accademico, come se la recessione riguardasse l'economia di Marte e non quella USA

off topic
in recessione, come faranno a finanziare lo sforzo bellico in Iraq ?
 

f4f

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QuickS ha scritto:
forse prima arrivano le elezioni e si risolve il problema alla radice (la radice del cespuglio :-o ) ....

:up: :cool: :cool: :cool:
buffo però anche immaginare che la guerra finisca per mancanza di fondi .... :-o
 

gipa69

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f4f ha scritto:
interessante
non ho ben capito perchè prima stimino il 30% e poi il 20%
ma cmq anche qui il tono pare accademico, come se la recessione riguardasse l'economia di Marte e non quella USA

off topic
in recessione, come faranno a finanziare lo sforzo bellico in Iraq ?

Il 20% è la stima tenendo conto di tutti gli indicatori che usano come predittori, usando solo la curva dei tassi la stima sale al 30% ma dicono che è giustificabile da un maggiore appiattimento della stessa negli utlimi anni.
 

gipa69

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f4f ha scritto:
interessante
non ho ben capito perchè prima stimino il 30% e poi il 20%
ma cmq anche qui il tono pare accademico, come se la recessione riguardasse l'economia di Marte e non quella USA

off topic
in recessione, come faranno a finanziare lo sforzo bellico in Iraq ?

e comunque direi che mentre le economie asiatiche sembrano produrre un decoupling nella crescita rispetto alle economie occidentali, le economie europee e anche Giapponese sembrano muoversi in sincro a quella USA :rolleyes:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=acoYur0e5hO0&refer=germany
 

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