Metatarso
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una applicazione da manuale della legge di Gresham .... ahhhh come è utile lo studio della monetaoddio guardate ballarò !
i ticket restaurant sono diventati moneta !
Derivati USA: CME-CBOT-NYMEX-ICE BUND, TBOND and the middle of the guado (VM 69)
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Madiba
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Poi come si fa ad essere così ingenui da pensare che un governo possa lasciare che l'oro sostituisca la fiat money ?
Non ci vuole niente a fare una leggina per cui l'oro non si può più nè comprare nè vendere, proprio come fecero nel '29. E così con i nostri lingotti non ci facciamo più nulla, al massimo li oliamo un po' con la margarina e ce li infiliamo proprio lì(ops, non vorrei aver dato una idea a Fleurs
Oppure mettere l'IVA al 20% come era in Italia prima del 2000, oppure una IVA al 50% ? o al 100% ?
Mah
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ferny nel mio portafoglio ciò un bordello australiano, non so se mi spiego
beh sparate le ultime cartucce sto per mandare afanqulo il pc e tutti voi mie caree dileguarmi verso sud
cheerio
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se non riuscissi dopo, good Easter
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shabib
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shabib ci sei ? brutta storia questa
Don't Invest In Ridiculously-Rigged (And Thin) Markets - The Market Ticker
Brutta storia, non per i banksters, ma per i gold bug e il mercato dell'oro. In questo modo il mercato dell'oro è completamente sputtanato.
Si dice "gold is money", ma come faccio a considerarlo money ? qui è tutto taroccato, da entrambi i lati. Questa è solo speculazione, e pure in malafede. Continuare a straparlare di iperinflazione quando l'iperinflazione non è neanche all'orizzonte, solo per convincere la gente a comprare oro, per me è grave malafede.
Si dice che fai torto ai banchieri centrali se compri oro fisico, ma a me non sembra. Gli fai un torto se riveli il loro gioco, non se pompi l'oro. Adesso invece il torto lo stanno facendo all'oro, e stanno facendo un favore ai banchieri.
Perchè non promuovono invece una riforma del sistema monetario, proponendo un sistema non basato sul debito, come sta facendo da mesi Nathan Martin ?
Perchè sono in malafede, e questo sistema fa comodo a chi vende l'oro. Ecco perchè.
ciao META
GRAZIE per avermi risvegliato .....
Meta caro , pero' io penso che se apriamo i libri di storia , anche se talvolta non si trovano certe notizie per addomesticare meglio il parco buoi che cresce ,
E' VERO che troviamo le esperienze USA degli anni 30 , ma anche c'e' una legge che si impara dalla vita e rari libri , che dice che il danaro muta d'aspetto e di sostanza e anche nel tempo e se ne va dove puo' vivere sereno.... E' TUTTO VERO E ANCHE GIUSTO quello che tu hai considerato e hai scritto , ma noi che ci siamo dentro , non scordiamoci questa legge che da 6000 anni funziona.....purtroppo lo hai notato anche tu, e' tutta una farsa
( ce lo diceva tante decine di anni fa a noi studenti il prof di greco quando gli toccava dare voti alti ai raccomandati.....) poretto , lo diceva ma doveva scrivere 7.....
shabib
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insomma , amico mio , le azioni , gli eft, gold, oil, commodities , bonds , case, terre , etc, sono solo fasi di un passaggio di trasformazione e cambiamento di locazione che fa il danaro per vivere e possibilmente moltiplicarsi...nessuna delle forme su citate e' eternamente in attivo , ma solo infilando i giusti passaggi si vince. e la partita e' a tutto campo e senza esclusioni di colpi perche' ci sono giocatori davvero tanto grossi....
e' ovvio che chi si e' tenuto l'oro tra il 1982 e il 2001 ha perso un sacco di soldi , come chi aveva azioni negli anni 70 , o come i poveracci di weimar o argentini , etc etc...perche' bisogna avere la forza di uscire sempre in tempo per entrare in una nuova forma........
ti auguro sempre fortuna
e adesso torno a smaterializzarmi in pace....
shabib
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oooooooooops , I did't again.....
THE REASON OF DESPAIR
By maedhros67
When it comes to the level of U.S. government debt, I hope all of our subscribers pay attention to one key statistic: the amount of the government’s revenues that must go towards paying interest. As everyone who has ever paid a mortgage knows, carrying debts can become prohibitively expensive. My concern is the U.S. already has more debt than it can afford, which puts it at an enormous risk of a debt and currency collapse. While I wish I were wrong, I’ve learned that when it comes to finance, the numbers rarely lie.
… The big problem we face right now is the Treasury has moved more than half of our total debt into the very short end of the yield curve. It did this to minimize interest expense. But as a result, we’ll have to “roll over” roughly $4 trillion in the next 30 months. That’s in addition to funding another $3 trillion or so in additional annual deficits. It’s an interesting question, whether or not we can actually do this. We cannot do it if China stops buying massive quantities of Treasury bonds.
And as of today, China is a net seller of Treasury debt. If we can’t fund our debts in the bond market, the Federal Reserve will be forced to monetize our deficits by buying Treasury bonds. If that happens, inflation will soar and the price of gold will double or triple almost overnight.
The bigger problem, over the long term, is simply debt service. Right now, the federal government takes in roughly $1 trillion in income taxes and a much smaller amount of money in other fees, duties, etc. (The government takes in another $1 trillion from Social Security and Medicare taxes, but it spends more currently on these programs than it takes in. So as a result, this revenue can’t factor into our analysis of debt service.) At the end of 2009, the federal government had $11.8 trillion in total outstanding debt. That’s the official number.
Likewise, officially, the interest we paid last year made up 11% of the government’s revenues – but that measure included all of the social insurance premiums as tax. More importantly, the current budget doesn’t include a number of highly significant obligations that are actually the government’s responsibility, but are held “off balance sheet.”
… By the end of OBAMA!’s first presidency (2013), I believe the U.S. will owe roughly: $17.8 trillion in federal debt, $2 trillion in GSE debt/guarantees, $500 billion in FDIC obligations, and $500 billion in FHA obligations. My only big assumption is $1.5 trillion in additional deficits each year, which is what the president’s budget also predicts.
Please keep in mind… These obligations aren’t future promises to pay. This isn’t Medicare spending projected out until 2040. These are all obligations that either have known maturities or will come due in the next two or three years. There isn’t much guessing about the magnitude of any of these obligations.
What’s a reasonable rate of interest on these debts? Right now, it costs the U.S. government almost 5% to borrow for 30 years. Let’s assume the blended borrowing cost goes to that amount – which is well below the government’s average borrowing costs since 1980. That would equal $1 trillion in interest payments due, per year. That’s 100% of all income taxes paid in 2009.
I hope I don’t have to explain to you why this amount of debt isn’t sustainable. I’m not the only person in the world who can do basic math and has access to the government’s accounts. Says Felix Zulauf, one of Europe’s top money managers, “Eventually the U.S. will arrive at the point where, as Marc Faber says, interest payments on government debt all of a sudden go to 20%, 25%, 30% of tax revenue. And once you go above 30%, you are done. You go into default or your currency breaks down and your system collapses.”
Or perhaps you will recognize this name: Alan Greenspan. He says, there has always been “a large buffer between the level of our federal debt and our capacity to borrow,” but that’s disappearing now. “I’m finding it very difficult to look into the future and not worry about that.”
Obviously, I can’t know for certain what will happen to the U.S. dollar over the next three years. It is certainly possible for our economy to grow fast enough to support our soaring federal debt. The problem is, that’s unlikely. Meanwhile, the growth of our debt and interest expenses is a mathematical certainty.
No one else is going to give you this stern of a warning. They’re afraid they’ll be wrong and end up being embarrassed. I’m not worried about that. I’d love to be wrong. I would much prefer to be embarrassed than to see my country’s economic power destroyed and millions of people wiped out financially. So just look at the numbers. If I’m wrong about any of them, let me know. Otherwise, please… act now to protect yourself. If you wait until the last minute to get your assets out of the U.S., you’ll never make it.
Porter Stansberry
THE REASON OF DESPAIR
By maedhros67
When it comes to the level of U.S. government debt, I hope all of our subscribers pay attention to one key statistic: the amount of the government’s revenues that must go towards paying interest. As everyone who has ever paid a mortgage knows, carrying debts can become prohibitively expensive. My concern is the U.S. already has more debt than it can afford, which puts it at an enormous risk of a debt and currency collapse. While I wish I were wrong, I’ve learned that when it comes to finance, the numbers rarely lie.
… The big problem we face right now is the Treasury has moved more than half of our total debt into the very short end of the yield curve. It did this to minimize interest expense. But as a result, we’ll have to “roll over” roughly $4 trillion in the next 30 months. That’s in addition to funding another $3 trillion or so in additional annual deficits. It’s an interesting question, whether or not we can actually do this. We cannot do it if China stops buying massive quantities of Treasury bonds.
And as of today, China is a net seller of Treasury debt. If we can’t fund our debts in the bond market, the Federal Reserve will be forced to monetize our deficits by buying Treasury bonds. If that happens, inflation will soar and the price of gold will double or triple almost overnight.
The bigger problem, over the long term, is simply debt service. Right now, the federal government takes in roughly $1 trillion in income taxes and a much smaller amount of money in other fees, duties, etc. (The government takes in another $1 trillion from Social Security and Medicare taxes, but it spends more currently on these programs than it takes in. So as a result, this revenue can’t factor into our analysis of debt service.) At the end of 2009, the federal government had $11.8 trillion in total outstanding debt. That’s the official number.
Likewise, officially, the interest we paid last year made up 11% of the government’s revenues – but that measure included all of the social insurance premiums as tax. More importantly, the current budget doesn’t include a number of highly significant obligations that are actually the government’s responsibility, but are held “off balance sheet.”
… By the end of OBAMA!’s first presidency (2013), I believe the U.S. will owe roughly: $17.8 trillion in federal debt, $2 trillion in GSE debt/guarantees, $500 billion in FDIC obligations, and $500 billion in FHA obligations. My only big assumption is $1.5 trillion in additional deficits each year, which is what the president’s budget also predicts.
Please keep in mind… These obligations aren’t future promises to pay. This isn’t Medicare spending projected out until 2040. These are all obligations that either have known maturities or will come due in the next two or three years. There isn’t much guessing about the magnitude of any of these obligations.
What’s a reasonable rate of interest on these debts? Right now, it costs the U.S. government almost 5% to borrow for 30 years. Let’s assume the blended borrowing cost goes to that amount – which is well below the government’s average borrowing costs since 1980. That would equal $1 trillion in interest payments due, per year. That’s 100% of all income taxes paid in 2009.
I hope I don’t have to explain to you why this amount of debt isn’t sustainable. I’m not the only person in the world who can do basic math and has access to the government’s accounts. Says Felix Zulauf, one of Europe’s top money managers, “Eventually the U.S. will arrive at the point where, as Marc Faber says, interest payments on government debt all of a sudden go to 20%, 25%, 30% of tax revenue. And once you go above 30%, you are done. You go into default or your currency breaks down and your system collapses.”
Or perhaps you will recognize this name: Alan Greenspan. He says, there has always been “a large buffer between the level of our federal debt and our capacity to borrow,” but that’s disappearing now. “I’m finding it very difficult to look into the future and not worry about that.”
Obviously, I can’t know for certain what will happen to the U.S. dollar over the next three years. It is certainly possible for our economy to grow fast enough to support our soaring federal debt. The problem is, that’s unlikely. Meanwhile, the growth of our debt and interest expenses is a mathematical certainty.
No one else is going to give you this stern of a warning. They’re afraid they’ll be wrong and end up being embarrassed. I’m not worried about that. I’d love to be wrong. I would much prefer to be embarrassed than to see my country’s economic power destroyed and millions of people wiped out financially. So just look at the numbers. If I’m wrong about any of them, let me know. Otherwise, please… act now to protect yourself. If you wait until the last minute to get your assets out of the U.S., you’ll never make it.
Porter Stansberry
f4f
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insomma , amico mio , le azioni , gli eft, gold, oil, commodities , bonds , case, terre , etc, sono solo fasi di un passaggio di trasformazione e cambiamento di locazione che fa il danaro per vivere e possibilmente moltiplicarsi...nessuna delle forme su citate e' eternamente in attivo , ma solo infilando i giusti passaggi si vince. e la partita e' a tutto campo e senza esclusioni di colpi perche' ci sono giocatori davvero tanto grossi....
e' ovvio che chi si e' tenuto l'oro tra il 1982 e il 2001 ha perso un sacco di soldi , come chi aveva azioni negli anni 70 , o come i poveracci di weimar o argentini , etc etc...perche' bisogna avere la forza di uscire sempre in tempo per entrare in una nuova forma........
ti auguro sempre fortuna
e adesso torno a smaterializzarmi in pace....
oh, ti smaterializzi ma torni eh?
il mondo non è diventato più piccolo ...
Capt J Sparrow
Metatarso
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oddio 
lo conoscete il GATA, vero ?
Bill Murphy - Chairman, Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA)
About GATA | Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee
Ha proprio un bel curriculum. E' stato beccato manipolare il mercato del rame
Don't Invest In Ridiculously-Rigged (And Thin) Markets [Ticker] - MarketTicker Forums
Release: 3530-92 July 30, 1992
WASHINGTON -- The Commodity Futures Trading Commission announced today the filing of a 13-count administrative complaint against Trading Resources, Inc. (TRI), of New York, New York, and three brothers who own and control the firm, William J. Murphy III of Bernardsville, New Jersey, Timothy R. Murphy of Upper Montclair, New Jersey, and Michael P. Murphy of Verona, New Jersey. The complaint charges the respondents with noncompetitive trading and fraud in the trading of copper futures and options contracts on the Commodity Exchange (COMEX) for proprietary and discretionary customer accounts of TRI during the period from October 1987 through February 1988.
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lo conoscete il GATA, vero ?Bill Murphy - Chairman, Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA)
About GATA | Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee
Ha proprio un bel curriculum. E' stato beccato manipolare il mercato del rame
Don't Invest In Ridiculously-Rigged (And Thin) Markets [Ticker] - MarketTicker Forums
Release: 3530-92 July 30, 1992
WASHINGTON -- The Commodity Futures Trading Commission announced today the filing of a 13-count administrative complaint against Trading Resources, Inc. (TRI), of New York, New York, and three brothers who own and control the firm, William J. Murphy III of Bernardsville, New Jersey, Timothy R. Murphy of Upper Montclair, New Jersey, and Michael P. Murphy of Verona, New Jersey. The complaint charges the respondents with noncompetitive trading and fraud in the trading of copper futures and options contracts on the Commodity Exchange (COMEX) for proprietary and discretionary customer accounts of TRI during the period from October 1987 through February 1988.
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questi sono mascalzoni
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