Derivati USA: CME-CBOT-NYMEX-ICE BUND, TBOND and the middle of the guado (VM 69)

và, Denninger in tempo reale

Mr. President: Unplug the F*ing Computers - The Market Ticker ®
Shall we talk about RISK the markets and in particular high-frequency trading and direct-exchange connected computers?

What started this? Right here:
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That trade appears to be what set it off.

Here's the problem: As soon as that hit the DOW it dropped the index hard. The response in the computers connected directly to the exchanges was instantaneous and produced this:
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Computer-triggered and the result was a more than 1,000 point selloff, about half it organic and the rest on a bid-collapse driven entirely by the HFT computers that took less than a minute.

There is absolutely no protection against this sort of thing in the market for the average investor, or anyone other than the HFT boys. Stops don't work as there's "no bid" during these events - there was LITERALLY no bid in the futures for about 30 seconds, then no offer on the way back up.

This sort of thing has to be stopped.

This was not humans - it was pure computer algorithm trading. If you had stops set, you got blown out way below any reasonable trading range with no recourse. Margin requirements were raised instantly on futures which sure didn't help.

This was basically the 1987 program-trading crash powered by the fastest CPUs money can buy, and points out that these systems do not have social utility and at times like this they are unbelievably destructive.

The banks and others who have argued for innovation have just proved once again that their brand of "innovation" means that the average investor gets bent over the table. You cannot, as an investor, be in the market until these outrageous practices are permanently barred from the exchanges.

I was on the right side of the destruction today, but I could have very easily been on the wrong side and gotten badly hurt. As it stands I'm quite certain there were tens of thousands of individual traders who went so far into negative equity in the futures market and got immediately liquidated that we will be hearing of blown up accounts and bankrupted traders for weeks if not months.

To those who say that we have "restored confidence" in the markets and "the worst is beyond us", I want everyone to remember very carefully the early 2007 market collapse that originated in Asia and came over here - the event that began my writing of The Ticker.

This is the harbringer of more trouble to come, it is not over, and I have been warning people all through the so-called "new bull market" that this sort of event - and likely more than one - was coming.

It was simply a matter of when.

Bernanke, Geithner and Obama have failed to restore confidence - in fact all they've done is put in front of the big banks a near-unlimited amount of money to game the system with and game it they have - right up until you had your stops run today and got screwed once again.

Say thanks to your elected and appointed officials who have taken their bows for something that, just as with "Mission Accomplished", has turned out to be one gigantic lie.



PS: Tickerforum remained up during the entire event, although it recorded the highest load-average and page-count spike ever seen, including during the depths of the 2008/2009 hell.
 
in fatti sembra la stessa cosa che successe nel 1987
anni fa ci avevo fatto una ricerca messa su un thread apposito :up:
 
"L'ondata di vendite e' scattata all'improvviso, facendo perdere al Dow Jones quasi 1000 punti in meno di 15 minuti. I trader parlano di ordini colossali di vendite su una blue chips del DJIA, cioe' Procter & Gamble, che ha perdeva ad un certo punto -30%, hanno innescato il crollo sul Dow Jones e sugli altri indici Usa, con crollo di -9.0% per GE e -8.0% per Bofa. Il futures (mini) sullo S&P 500 ha scambiato un valore nominale di oltre $16 miliardi di dollari in un quarto d'ora, un'enormita' senza precedenti. Il crollo e' stato amplificato dagli ordine automatici dei computer (program trading) scattati tutti insieme su certe soglie. Questi robot finanziari chiamati "high frequency trading" hanno aperto il diluvio delle vendite, un panic selling computerizzato che ha portato il Dow Jone a perdere 700 punti in 15 minuti e guadagnarne nei successivi 20 minuti 600 punti."
 
sul Bund mi hanno fottuto , avevo, ho un 128 sell , hanno fatto 127,99 r in un nanosecondo sono andati a 127,5 :eek::D


merddddddd.....sei un signore comunque stare lungo sul bund. ci vuole un gran vantaggiooo.

sta saltando qualche hedge obbligazionario o l'Italia. il bund dopo lo spike è rimasto li.
 
merddddddd.....sei un signore comunque stare lungo sul bund. ci vuole un gran vantaggiooo.

sta saltando qualche hedge obbligazionario o l'Italia. il bund dopo lo spike è rimasto li.

con sti movimenti bruschi qualcuno perde sempre la testa
l'importante che salviamo il q noi :)
io ancora ricordo il panic buying sul T-bond di due anni fa che lo porto a 142
 

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