Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (2 lettori)

Yunus80

Del PIG non si butta nulla
No probl ... ;) certo questa sperequazione per cui un nuovo dipendente costa complessivamente 1/3 dei vecchi dipendenti è terrificante...
Insomma, tutto il mondo è paese... là come qua, i giovani che entrano a lavoro pagano i privilegi di quelli che sono arrivati prima :rolleyes:
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
DETROIT, Feb 16 (Reuters) - Representatives of bondholders with some $28 billion in General Motors Corp (GM.N) debt have outlined specific proposals to the automaker on how to swap the debt for equity in a restructured company, a person with knowledge of the talks said on Monday.
GM has not yet accepted the proposals, the source said.
The debt swap is a crucial element in a revised restructuring plan for GM, which has received $9.4 billion in U.S. government aid and had been pledged $4 billion more as soon as this week.
Since Sunday, GM has also made significant progress in its talks with both bondholders and the United Auto Workers union, a second person familiar with the talks said.
GM faces a deadline of Tuesday to submit a new restructuring plan to U.S. officials demonstrating how it can be made viable after reducing debt and slashing costs.
Neither of the sources wanted to be identified because of the confidential nature of the negotiations intended to keep the top U.S. automaker from bankruptcy. But both said it appeared that GM would be able to detail progress in both sets of high-stakes talks to U.S. officials by Tuesday.
"The more people have reason to fear the abyss, the less reason they have to go into it," the first person said.
In broad terms, the proposed terms of the deal to swap GM debt for equity in a recapitalized automaker would penalize any investors who hold out if a set percentage of other debtholders were to tender to join the deal.
That could be accomplished by leaving GM debtholders who choose not to participate in the deal with less senior claims and lower risk-adjusted returns.
It would also address a central criticism of the government-led recapitalization of GM-affiliated finance company GMAC and the so-called problem of "free riders" -- bondholders who wait in the hope that other participants will accept reduced claims so they can be paid back more fully.
In the case of GMAC, bond investor PIMCO turned down a debt-exchange offer during GMAC's now-completed $38-billion debt swap in late December, a move that was seen as threatening the deal.
Despite the defection, the U.S. Treasury moved ahead with a $5 billion equity injection into GMAC in late December.
The GM debt-exchange framework is intended to keep bondholders from bolting in a similar way. It also addresses a key concern about fairness in the parallel debt-reduction deal that GM has been negotiating with the UAW, the first person with knowledge of the talks said.
Detailed terms of the proposals including how much debtholders would be paid out were not immediately available. GM faces a government-set target of cutting the $28 billion held by bondholders by two-thirds.

The UAW is being pressed to accept just over $10 billion of the $20 billion it is owed for a retiree health care trust fund in GM stock under the restructuring.
Union negotiators have raised the concern that none of its retirees would be able to opt out of any revised terms for funding a health care trust fund .
That gives union workers less room to act than bondholders at GM who remain free to make individual decisions on whether to accept the debt-exchange, the person with knowledge of the talks said.
But by encouraging a high degree of participation, the proposed bond would look to level the playing field for the union as well, the person said.
GM is also talking to union officials about ways to cut costs, reduce payrolls and shutter surplus plants, people familiar with the talks have said. (Editing by Christian Wiessner)

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN1632440420090216?rpc=44
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
meet Mr. Bloom:

Troubled U.S. auto makers and union representatives dug in late Monday for all-night cost-cutting negotiations as the government advanced its point person on auto restructuring, a former investment banker with a record for demanding harsh concessions from manufacturers, unions and investors alike.
General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC are required to submit recovery plans to the government on Tuesday as part of their agreement to receive billions of dollars in federal loans. As the government's auto-industry task force began to take shape ahead of the deadline, President Barack Obama's administration appeared to be turning up the pressure on GM and Chrysler to carry out tough restructuring measures, possibly through the use of the bankruptcy court.

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Ron Bloom

The administration stepped back over the weekend from naming a "car czar," as it had planned, to oversee the restructuring. But according to people familiar with the task force, it named former Lazard Freres & Co. investment banker Ron Bloom a key adviser. Mr. Bloom, who made a name advising U.S. steelworkers to accept major concessions in several bankruptcy cases, is expected to take the task force's lead role, a senior U.S. Treasury official says.
People who know Mr. Bloom expect him to be tough on the auto makers, the United Auto Workers and other parties involved in their restructuring.
"The management of the Big Three are probably not going to like what Ron Bloom has to say; the UAW is not going to like what Ron Bloom has to say; and certainly the stockholders and creditors will not like what he has to say," said Michael Psaros, a co-founder of private-equity group KPS Capital Partners, who has worked with Mr. Bloom in and out of bankruptcy courts. He adds that Mr. Bloom has "repeatedly shown an ability to transform struggling companies into profitable going concerns."
Under the terms of their federal loans, GM and Chrysler are supposed to submit plans to the Treasury Department on Tuesday to show how they are using taxpayer dollars to become viable. These are supposed to include agreements with the UAW on labor-cost reductions and deals with bondholders and other creditors for reducing their debt. Those talks have bogged down as all sides awaited the naming of a car czar to oversee the process.
On Monday, GM's bondholder committee delivered a "framework" for a new debt structure, one person close to the committee said. Late Monday afternoon, talks between the UAW and both GM and Chrysler were also making some progress as the parties hammered out cost-reduction details. But people familiar with the talks said significant differences remain between the sides.
The car companies must submit their proposals by 5 p.m. Tuesday to James Lambright, chief investment officer for the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The government could seek tougher concessions from the auto industry because conditions have worsened since the loans were offered in December. "With the economy in this precarious situation, no one wants to put the automakers into bankruptcy, but can this much restructuring be accomplished without bankruptcy?" said one auto adviser. Ultimately, the government will have to decide how much to subsidize the auto industry, he added. "That's a critical decision that only the president can make."
Details of the government's task force emerged over the weekend but its final composition remains unclear. It will be led jointly by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, and will be responsible for managing the $17.4 billion in federal loan agreements between the auto makers and the U.S. government.
Mr. Bloom, 53 years old, was named as an adviser to the Treasury and will report to Messrs. Geithner and Summers. Also named to the task force was Diana Farrell, deputy director of the National Economic Council. Ms. Farrell was formerly a director with McKinsey & Co. She did not respond to requests for comment.

People familiar with the panel say it could also include Steven Rattner, a New York financial executive who was strongly considered for the car czar role.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said naming a team brings in "a broader array of people" who have expertise and "can deal with the many challenges" the industry is going to face in the next several months.
GM so far has accepted $13.4 billion in loans and Chrysler $4 billion. GM is expected to tell the government it needs several billion more or it may have to file for bankruptcy protection. Chrysler has said it hopes to get $3 billion in additional loans.
The Obama administration has told GM to address the possibility that it will eventually file for bankruptcy protection, Rep. Sander Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said Monday. "They've been asked to address the issue of bankruptcy in their plan but not to have that as an alternative plan," Mr. Levin said in a phone interview. "That's my understanding."
A GM spokesman declined to comment on a bankruptcy plan. People familiar with the matter have said the auto maker has been preparing detailed bankruptcy plans and has softened its previous view that such a filing was not an option for the company.
David Axelrod, a senior adviser to President Obama, declined to rule out government-backed bankruptcy. "We're going to need a major restructuring of these companies," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "How that restructuring comes is something that has to be determined."
Mr. Bloom, a Harvard Business School graduate who spent 10 years at investment banks before joining a team advising the steelworkers union, is seen as one of the chief architects of a consolidation of the steel industry that has involved about 35 bankruptcies over several decades. He's known as a blunt communicator. The voicemail greeting on his office and cellphone is simply, "Hi, it's Ron, you know the drill."
Late Monday, Mr. Bloom declined by email to comment.
In a 2006 speech at a corporate turnaround conference in Scottsdale, Ariz., he described his approach to restructuring as "dentist-chair bargaining," in which the patient "grabs the dentist by the b -- and says, 'Now let's not hurt each other.'"
Under Mr. Bloom's guidance, the United Steelworkers gave up pay, job security and benefits in a bid to help the industry recover. In some cases, thousands of steelworker jobs were lost when union leadership agreed to large-scale reductions in restructured companies. Mr. Bloom also negotiated benefits for union members and retirees that kicked in once reconfigured steel companies became profitable.
Such solutions could also come into play at the automakers. Wilbur Ross, a billionaire investor who worked closely with Mr. Bloom in restructuring the steel industry, credits him with being tough on companies without being destructive. He "probably saved the jobs of 100,000 steelworkers," Mr. Ross said, while also saying Mr. Bloom "negotiated a totally different contract that simplified work rules" and other union provisions.
Alan Reuther, the UAW's legislative director, said the union doesn't believe Mr. Bloom's appointment increases the chances that auto makers will seek bankruptcy protection. Mr. Reuther lauded the choice of Mr. Bloom, calling him a "very bright, talented person with a lot of experience about restructuring."
People familiar with the matter said Mr. Bloom is expected to lean heavily on the NEC's Ms. Farrell, as well as Centerbridge Capital's Stephen Girsky, a key adviser for United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.
The Obama administration decided to name a task force after concluding that identifying and recruiting a car czar was a nearly impossible task, say officials and finance executives.
"Whoever did the job would be politically assassinated," said one administration official. "The car czar became a political hot potato. A smart New York guy wasn't one of theirs [from the Big Three]. And a Detroit guy wasn't acceptable to environmental and energy interests. No one person would be politically acceptable."
A leading contender to be the car czar was Mr. Rattner, a prominent New York Democrat and the founder of private-equity firm Quadrangle. Initially conflict-of-interest questions arose because Quadrangle had borrowed from Chrysler's majority owner, Cerberus Capital Management LP, an administration official said. That was resolved but Mr. Rattner had concerns about deserting his business for a politically charged assignment, an adviser said.
—Deborah Solomon, Kris Maher, Matthew Dolan and Jonathan Weisman contributed to this article.
Write to
John D. Stoll at [email protected] and Monica Langley at [email protected]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123483084725295657.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
 

METHOS

Forumer storico
Questo thread è troppo "serio", alle volte mi mancano alcuni interventi fatti di là...

Come facciamo perderci queste cose:

"Sul celeberrimo campo di battaglia di Washington ... cosparso di morti e feriti ... l'impavido Shark2007 esorta i bondisti GM superstiti a resistere fino alla morte all'ultimo terribile assalto del nemico ...
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Io ho già detto a shark di raggiungerci, per favore fate lo stesso pure voi...

Mark, Paolo conto su di voi..

:D:D:D:D:D:D
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Questo thread è troppo "serio"

sono d'accordo, ma siccome io sono fondamentalmente un "cazz.aro" (dovrei scrivere solo sul topic del cazzeggio, su questo forum, ne sono conscio...), ci metto un attimo a mandare in §§§§ anche questo 3d, ad esempio potrei iniziare argomentando tutte le ragioni per cui in effetti fare l'hold out alla morte può essere remunerativo (ovviamente valido l'assioma non la manderanno mai in ch 11... :rolleyes:). Shark sembrerebbe un dilettante... Magari aumenta il pubblico... ;)

ma certi livelli non si potranno mai raggiungere. Avevo scommesso con me stesso che a Gaudente non sarebbe sfuggito questo:

Forza e onore...
Al tuo segnale scateneremo l'infermo
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Forse voleva dire l'infermo di mente... :D
 

METHOS

Forumer storico
sono d'accordo, ma siccome io sono fondamentalmente un "cazz.aro" (dovrei scrivere solo sul topic del cazzeggio, su questo forum, ne sono conscio...), ci metto un attimo a mandare in §§§§ anche questo 3d, ad esempio potrei iniziare argomentando tutte le ragioni per cui in effetti fare l'hold out alla morte può essere remunerativo (ovviamente valido l'assioma non la manderanno mai in ch 11... :rolleyes:). Shark sembrerebbe un dilettante... Magari aumenta il pubblico... ;)

ma certi livelli non si potranno mai raggiungere. Avevo scommesso con me stesso che a Gaudente non sarebbe sfuggito questo:

Forza e onore...
Al tuo segnale scateneremo l'infermo
biggrin.gif


Forse voleva dire l'infermo di mente... :D

Ormai gm è una barzelletta. All'inizio ci credevo in una sua ristrutturazione decente. Il piano del 2005 poteva essere buono ma poi visti la quantità di mld bruciati dal 2005 a oggi senza nessun risultato questa azienda ormai non ha nessun futuro. A meno che non la nazionalizzano ma questa è un'altra storia. L'unica che si salva forse è ford.
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Ormai gm è una barzelletta. All'inizio ci credevo in una sua ristrutturazione decente. Il piano del 2005 poteva essere buono ma poi visti la quantità di mld bruciati dal 2005 a oggi senza nessun risultato questa azienda ormai non ha nessun futuro. A meno che non la nazionalizzano ma questa è un'altra storia. L'unica che si salva forse è ford.

In effetti Ford ha solo da "guadagnare" da questa situazione, se riuscirà a trasferire le concessioni fatte dallo UAW anche alla loro realtà industriale. Il che non significa sia tutto semplice per loro, ma diciamo che è per il momento spettatore non coinvolto ma interessato.

Al di là dell'interesse per il settore e per le ripercussioni sociali, resta per me utile analizzare le "ricadute" che questa crisi settoriale ha sulla politica economica USA.

Non so se sia direttamente correlato, ma ho riportato qui i vantaggi fiscali che sembrano emergere per chi ritirerà/cancellerà debito nel prossimo periodo (quello che alla fine GM sarà "costretta" a fare).

Ora, parlandoci in maniera molto diretta: chi ha i bond a 50 centesimi non ha i soldi per ritirarli dal mercato. Se però l'azienda produce (o ha la capacità di produrre in futuro) un discreto flusso di cassa (senza guardare per il momento agli utili...), investitori in lira e scaltri potrebbero vedere in questo un ottimo momento per proporre nuovi finanziamenti finalizzati al ritiro del debito.

Come poi la si possa giocare da "piccoli" investitori (bond, azioni... prima o dopo l'operazione?) è una bella domanda, però si accettano suggerimenti su aziende potenzialmente in questa "situazione"... ;)
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Mi sono permesso di fare una correzione, l'immagine che hai postato non era riferita alla battaglia di Washington... :up: :up: :up:

:lol:

ma non avete ancora capito che Shark è short e si diverte a prendere in giro il forum, lasciando qua e là tracce che fanno capire il suo vero obbiettivo... :D

visto che questo 3d era troppo serio, vi do la mia personale visione su come GM avrebbe potuto risolvere i propri problemi: comperando Chrysler (credo che ad un dollaro Cerberus avrebbe dato il resto...), per poi metterla in Chapter 11 dopo un minuto dalla firma del contratto. Poi volevo vedere lo UAW con un precedente di accordi sindacali annullati come si comportava nelle trattative GM e Ford... non parlatemi delle conseguenze sull'indotto, perchè ci sono fallimenti in cui i fornitori vengono salvaguardati (e quindi pagati...) fino alle spedizioni di quando decide l'azienda... (1) Nella peggiore delle ipotesi (nessuno compra auto da Chrysler in fallimento...), un concorrente in meno, al costo di un dollaro. Nel migliore, sinergie, un marchio e stabilimenti gratis, vantaggi spalmati sulle due aziende.

Bon, ho detto una vaccata... :D

(1)

VeraSun will treat claims of corn suppliers that supplied corn to it at different times differently as is required by the bankruptcy code. VeraSun will treat all corn suppliers that supplied corn to its plants before October 11, 2008 as unsecured creditors that may share in a dividend at some time, many months in the future. However, VeraSun has received confirmation from the Delaware Bankruptcy Court that corn suppliers who supplied corn from October 11 through October 31 will be treated as priority creditors that can be paid in full from VeraSun’s cash
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Questo thread è troppo "serio", alle volte mi mancano alcuni interventi fatti di là...

Come facciamo perderci queste cose:

"Sul celeberrimo campo di battaglia di Washington ... cosparso di morti e feriti ... l'impavido Shark2007 esorta i bondisti GM superstiti a resistere fino alla morte all'ultimo terribile assalto del nemico ...
redface.gif
"

Io ho già detto a shark di raggiungerci, per favore fate lo stesso pure voi...

Mark, Paolo conto su di voi..

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ciao Methos, personalmente non sono contrario a trattare di astrofinanza o a sparare qualche fesseria ... :D anzi, mi piace divertirmi ogni tanto, però magari qui lo facciamo nel 3D del cazzeggio, che c'è proprio per quello... :up: ;)
 

ilfolignate

Forumer storico
Ciao Methos, personalmente non sono contrario a trattare di astrofinanza o a sparare qualche fesseria ... :D anzi, mi piace divertirmi ogni tanto, però magari qui lo facciamo nel 3D del cazzeggio, che c'è proprio per quello... :up: ;)

Quoto con te Mark:up:

OT/ da quell'altra parte stanno facendo delle macumba impressionanti e guai a prendergli in giro per l'eccessivo ottimismo che li caratterizza!!! :rolleyes:
:lol:
 

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