Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (3 lettori)

Gaudente

Forumer storico
Questo thread è troppo "serio", alle volte mi mancano alcuni interventi fatti di là...

Come facciamo perderci queste cose:

"Sul celeberrimo campo di battaglia di Washington ... cosparso di morti e feriti ... l'impavido Shark2007 esorta i bondisti GM superstiti a resistere fino alla morte all'ultimo terribile assalto del nemico ...
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Io ho già detto a shark di raggiungerci, per favore fate lo stesso pure voi...

Mark, Paolo conto su di voi..

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ma in verita' credo che Shark avesse scritto Washington perche' l'audizione dei questuanti avverra' a Washington, non perche' abbia confuso Washington con Waterloo come avevo pensato all'inizio.
L'immagine, come potete vedere provando a salvarla, e' ovviamente relativa alla battaglia di Waterloo con il Duca di Wellington che arringa i soldati inglesi nello loro uniformi rosse.
 

METHOS

Forumer storico
Ma in verita' credo che Shark avesse scritto Washington perche' l'audizione dei questuanti avverra' a Washington, non perche' abbia confuso Washington con Waterloo come avevo pensato all'inizio.
L'immagine, come potete vedere provando a salvarla, e' ovviamente relativa alla battaglia di Waterloo con il Duca di Wellington che arringa i soldati inglesi nello loro uniformi rosse.

Ne son certo che è voluto, però sono innamorato della sua prosa e le immagini allegoriche che crea. E' un grande. Alle volte son convinto che è in leva short su gm

:D:D:D
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Pare che per il mentre sgancino cmq a GM la seconda trance...

GM to get $4 billion aid tranche Tuesday - official
Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:09pm GMT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government will release $4 billion in additional aid to General Motors Corp on Tuesday as planned, a White House aide said on Monday, ahead of the deadline for the automaker to submit a new survival plan.

The aide said GM's smaller rival Chrysler LLC's request for additional aid would be treated as a new request and dealt with separately.
GM is seeking concessions from the United Auto Workers union and creditors under the terms of its $13.4 billion federal bailout. It must submit a restructuring plan to U.S. officials on Tuesday showing how it can cut costs and pay back the loans.

President Barack Obama has decided to launch a government task force for restructuring the U.S. auto industry instead of naming a "car czar" with sweeping powers.

He is appointing Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner as his "designee" for overseeing auto bailout loans and as co-head of the new high-level panel together with White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers, a senior administration official said on Sunday.

To date, GM has received $9.4 billion in federal aid that has allowed it to stay in operation since the start of the year. It is widely expected to seek additional assistance with the restructuring plan due Tuesday.

Chrysler, controlled by Cerberus Capital Management, has been granted $4 billion in federal and is seeking an additional $3 billion.
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Ma il capo dei portavoce di Obama non esclude che si renda cmq necessario un default... d'altronde, le due cose potrebbero anche andare insieme... vediamo se sarà soltanto una mossa tattica per superare ancora qualche resistenza oppure se la cosa è davvero in corso di valutazione...

Obama Aide Says Bankruptcy Can’t Be Ruled Out for Automakers

By Roger Runningen
Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s chief spokesman said the administration can’t rule out a restructuring through bankruptcy for struggling automakers, while adding the industry is “tremendously important” to the economy.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the administration won’t “prejudge” the next steps for General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC until the automakers present their own plans under terms of a government aid package.

“I wouldn’t preclude policy choices, particularly since we haven’t seen details,” Gibbs told reporters traveling with the president today to Colorado. The auto companies “represent a huge part of our manufacturing base, and to have a strong and viable auto industry is tremendously important for the future.”

GM and Chrysler must submit a report today on progress in cutting labor and debt costs worldwide to keep $13.4 billion in U.S. government aid. GM may seek support beyond an $18 billion request made Dec. 2 because of worsening economic conditions, people familiar with the automaker’s plan said. Chrysler has said it needs at least $3 billion in addition to $4 billion it received.

Obama has decided against naming a “car czar” to oversee a revamping of the auto industry. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers instead will head a task force that will evaluate the plans submitted by GM and Chrysler.

Obama will be in Denver this afternoon where he will sign the $787 billion economic stimulus bill passed by Congress last week and highlight the energy development components of the legislation.
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
DETROIT, Feb 17 (Reuters) - General Motors Corp (GM.N) said on Tuesday it could need a total of up to $30 billion in U.S. government aid -- more than doubling its original aid -- and would run out of cash as soon as March without new federal funding.
The request for additional aid from the top U.S. automaker came in a restructuring plan GM submitted to U.S. officials on Tuesday.
The GM restructuring plan of more than 100 pages was posted on the U.S. Treasury Web site.
The request came on the same afternoon that No. 3 U.S. automaker Chrysler requested an additional $5 billion from the current $4 billion in U.S. government aid, saying it expected the brutal downturn in the U.S. market to run another three years. [ID:nN17319117]
GM also said it had not reached deals with bondholders and its major union to reduce some $47 billion in debt but would work to reach those agreements by the end of March.
In response to signs of a prolonged slump in demand for new cars and trucks, the automaker also said it would step up cost-cutting, reducing its global workforce by 47,000 jobs this year and cutting five additional U.S. plants by 2012.
In addition, GM said it would cut its U.S. workforce by another 20,000 jobs by 2012 with most of those reductions coming earlier.
GM has been kept afloat since the start of the year with $13.4 billion in loans from the U.S. Treasury. Its expanded aid request for up to $30 billion includes a $7.5 billion credit line in the event that the autos market remains depressed.
Critics of the bailout of GM and its smaller rival Chrysler LLC have urged the government to consider financing a court-supervised restructuring for the two ailing automakers in bankruptcy.
GM said its own analysis of the costs and risks of a bankruptcy filing would require more than $100 billion in financing that could have to be provided by the U.S. government.
GM requested an unprecedented U.S. government bailout in December and had pegged its funding need then at up to $18 billion.
But the automaker has faced a deep slide in sales outside its long-slumping home market in the weeks since and GM said its revised restructuring plan would take aim at loss-making overseas units as well.
GM also said it would plan to phase out its Saturn brand by the end of 2011 and make a decision on whether to sell or just wind down its Hummer SUV brand by the end of the current quarter. (Editing by Matthew Lewis)

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1747593820090217?rpc=44
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
GM Report

GM, in a 100-plus page report submitted to the U.S. Treasury, argues that bankruptcy would still be more costly and drawn out than a government-funded restructuring. The auto maker said a traditional bankruptcy could cost as much as $100 billion, attributing much of that cost to lost revenue.
Instead, GM proposes an accelerated downsizing that involves cuts deeper than those outlined in December. Steps include shuttering 14 factories by 2012 rather than nine, eliminating 47,000 hourly and salaried jobs this year globally, and closing its Hummer truck brand this year and Saturn in 2011 if no alternatives arise.
GM shares were up 2 cents at $2.20 in recent after-hours trading. The stock was the biggest decliner among Dow Jones Industrial Average components during Tuesday's regular session, falling 13%.
GM's loan request includes $4.6 billion it hopes to draw in March and April. That would bring the loan total to $18 billion, which is the amount GM initially requested in December. Additionally, GM is asking for a $7.5 billion line of credit that could be drawn under a downside scenario and to defer repayment of a $4.5 credit line due in 2011. Combined with the $13.4 billion GM already received, GM's total aid package could total $30 billion.
Under the plan submitted Tuesday, GM says it can break even once U.S. vehicle sales hit a seasonally adjusted rate of 11.5 to 12 million car and truck sales.
The auto maker will seek government aid from other nations and restructure around the globe.
Write to Kathy Shwiff at [email protected] and Sharon Terlep at [email protected]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123489494750801713.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
 

Researcher

Stop Loss? No, Thanks!!!
GM: Unrealistic Expectations

It's avoided bankruptcy so far, but are GM's sales expectations realistic enough to bring the struggling automaker back to profitability?

By David Welch and David Kiley

As promised, General Motors (GM) and Chrysler delivered their turnaround plans to the Treasury Dept. on Tuesday, Feb. 17. While both companies have slashed costs, both say they need more government cash and concessions from the union or their creditors to survive the downturn.


GM got another $4 billion from Treasury on Tuesday, completing a government commitment made in December to give the automaker $13.4 billion. But GM says that given the weaker economy and declining auto market, the company still could need as much as $30 billion in total. Chrysler has asked for $5 billion on top of the $4 billion it has borrowed from the government.
Bondholder and UAW Debt Burdens

It will be up to Treasury to decide if the two companies' plans go far enough to prove that they are viable and will be able to pay the money back. There is risk that GM can't get all of the concessions it needs and that sales won't rebound fast enough to build revenue. In GM's case, the company still has to convince its bondholders and the United Auto Workers to reduce future debts. The car market will also need to revive in the next couple of years to the levels that both automakers have forecast.
And there's still a lot of work to be done. GM has two major issues that need to be resolved. First, the company has to negotiate with its bondholders to drop its unsecured debt burden from $27 billion to about $9 billion. Second, GM owes the UAW $20 billion to start a union-led trust fund to manage retiree health care.
GM wants to give the UAW half in cash and half in stock. But like bondholders, the UAW has balked. GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer G. Richard Wagoner Jr., said the company is making good progress on both fronts. But GM could not strike a deal before the proposal to Treasury was due.
Getting both parties to reduce GM's long-term debts will be vital to ensuring the company's viability. The automaker has more than $60 billion in debt between its creditors and the union. "What has weighed on us more than anything," Wagoner said, "is that we have a huge debt burden. We had to raise money to pay $103 billion in post-retirement benefits over the last 15 years."
Wagoner said GM's cost cuts will make it profitable in a car market of 11.5 million to 12 million cars, about 1 million fewer vehicles than the company said it needed in December before it cut more jobs. If all goes according to plan, GM could return to profitability within 24 months, Wagoner said. "Supporting GM's viability is a sound investment for U.S. taxpayers and one that will be paid back," Wagoner said.
Shuttle Diplomacy

GM has an offer on the table to a committee representing its bondholders, which the legal and financial advisors have endorsed. It will be up to the bondholders to examine GM's turnaround plan and agree to the terms of the offer to get a deal done.
GM said it also has a deal to reduce its labor costs with the UAW, but the company wouldn't give details until UAW President Ron Gettelfinger took it to his members for a ratification vote.
But if Chrysler's deal with the UAW is an indicator—and the union usually treats all three automakers somewhat equally—GM should be able to cut its remaining $20 billion in cash obligation to the union's health-care trust by 50% and give the rest in stock. Chrysler said that the UAW agreed tentatively to swap half of its $10 billion in health-care funding obligations for equity if Chrysler can successfully get banks and other debtholders holding $6.9 billion in debt to take two-thirds of that in equity such as preferred stock.
GM is in a similar pickle. The bondholders will want to see that GM's deal with the UAW goes far enough. And the UAW wants to make sure that their concessions are going to make Wall Street investors whole. So both companies will have a job of shuttle diplomacy to get both deals done.

Cutting Labor Costs

GM needs to make further cuts to its labor costs to satisfy the original qualifications set in place by the Bush Administration. Right now, GM's costs are $77 an hour versus $48 an hour including benefits at foreign-owned plants in the U.S. But about $18 an hour goes to retirees.
A source close to GM's planning says the company wanted wage and benefits concessions from the union. The UAW already agreed that new hires will make $14 an hour in wages compared with $28 for veteran workers. The source said that GM was also trying to cut wages and health-care benefits for veteran workers. That complicated talks. GM also wants to get more flexible work rules in the plants and to cut the number of skilled tradesmen, like electricians and plumbers, who make more than $30 an hour. GM's Wagoner wouldn't give details, except to say that "We came into this with very ambitious targets. This will take a big bite out of our labor costs."
GM did say it will close five more factories globally on top of the nine that the company has already announced. A total of 47,000 jobs have been eliminated worldwide this year.
There's another possible pitfall for GM. The company said its pension plan was significantly underfunded at the end of 2008. The company could have to plow more cash into the pension plan in 2012 or 2013 if the stock market doesn't rebound. That could further hit GM's balance sheet.
Chrysler said it reached agreement with the United Auto Workers on work rules and wage concessions that meet the criteria of Treasury, putting its employees at parity with U.S. workers assembling vehicles for foreign automakers like Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC).
Sales Predictions

Perhaps the biggest wild card for GM, Chrysler, and Ford (F), which has not asked for government assistance, is how low auto sales will remain and for how long. Chrysler, perhaps to shock legislators and Treasury into funding the restructuring plan, projects sales this year of 10.1 million units, and a moribund average selling rate for the industry of 10.8 million units between 2010 and 2012. GM thinks it will be much higher, ranging between 11.5 million vehicles and 14.3 million vehicles in 2010 and from 14.5 million to 17.5 million in 2012.
If sales are on the high end of GM's plan, the company would pay back its government debt by 2014. If sales stay on the low side of GM's projections, the company would still owe Uncle Sam $30 billion in 2014.
GM's plan has a rosier sales outlook that Chrysler's. Jeremy Anwyl, CEO of Edmunds.com, a Web site tracking auto sales pricing and data, says it's safer to use GM's lower sales estimates. He thinks sales will be in the range of 12 million to 13 million vehicles in the U.S. over the next couple of years. But in a few more years, 16 million cars and trucks isn't a crazy idea, he says. "Everyone wants to know if they will be back for more, and that depends on auto sales," Anwyl says. "I have to believe that 15 million or more is the industry's average."
The High Cost of Bankruptcy

If the government doesn't support the two companies they both could end up in bankruptcy. GM executives maintain that bankruptcy is their last option and could result in liquidation. In its report to Treasury, the company says that bankruptcy would cost the government more in loan support since banks are doing very little debtor-in-possession financing for bankrupt companies.
GM says a quick bankruptcy, or a prepackaged bankruptcy in which terms are agreed with the union and creditors before filing with the court, would require $36 billion in government funding. On the long end, a traditional Chapter 11 bankruptcy would require between $71 billion and $86 billion in government loans.

Chrysler's bankruptcy plan says it would need $24 billion in debtor-in-possession financing from the government. Without it, the company would face a 24-month-long liquidation. Chrysler estimates the cost of the loan program to be $65 per tax filer, with the expectation that the loans can be repaid. Liquidation, with the resulting unemployment, lost tax revenues, and the government assuming pension liabilities would be $1,200 per tax filer, the automaker estimates.
Chrysler's plan calls for the company to stay independent but in an alliance with Italian automaker Fiat (FIA.MI), which would share vehicle platforms, engines, and technology with Chrysler in exchange for 35% of the company and the possibility that it could acquire an additional 20% at a later date.
But Chrysler also outlined enormous savings that could be gained from a consolidation of Chrysler with another automaker. It does not name General Motors as the other company, but the two companies talked at length last year about merging. One source at GM said the company does not have much interest in merging with Chrysler and that talks didn't get very far last year before GM realized that the costs outweighed the benefits.
GM Winnows Brands

Chrysler has too many problems, and GM has a lot of work to do. One of its big issues is winding down four of its eight brands. GM will spin Saab into a separate independent company. Saturn will effectively be closed after 2011, and Hummer will be shuttered if a buyer isn't found soon. GM has set aside money to pay dealers for their investment in the euthanized brands. Pontiac will just be a niche player selling a couple of sports cars in Buick-GMC showrooms.
That will allow GM to drop down to 36 nameplates from 48. With fewer mouths to feed, GM says it could be competitive spending just $6.5 billion a year on new vehicles. The company spent as much as $8 billion in recent years.
But going forward, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and GMC will get all of the funding. "GM has to continue on its very recent path of building cars people like," says Roger Martin, dean of the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management. "The entire product portfolio has to look that way."
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Ciao Researcher, ben ritrovato... :up:

Stavo per postarlo io ... l'impressione è che non abbiano combinato niente, approfittando del cambio della guardia alla Casa Bianca per chiedere altro tempo...
 

Researcher

Stop Loss? No, Thanks!!!
Ciao Researcher, ben ritrovato... :up:

Stavo per postarlo io ... l'impressione è che non abbiano combinato niente, approfittando del cambio della guardia alla Casa Bianca per chiedere altro tempo...

Grazie (è un periodo che il lavoro mi tiene molto occupato....per fortuna :D).....cmq, si, diciamo che l'impressione è questa.....e il problema maggiore è sempre quello di convincere UAW e creditori a tagliare.....UAW non si sposta se non vede il coinvolgimento dei creditori.....i creditori avranno difficoltà ad approvare tagli al debito se non vedono concessioni da parte dello UAW.....voglio vedere come "sbloccano" lo stallo....
Cmq, secondo me, a questo punto, non so se, effettivamente, è concreta la possibilità di mandarli in bancarotta "pilotata".....Obama non la esclude ma.....parole di circostanza?
 

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