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tommy271

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Greece Denies Secret Exit Plan

By Richard Giedroyc

World Coin News
August 16, 2010


Greece’s credit rating plunges, its labor force continues to protest its government’s attempts at austerity. Other member nations in the European Union continue to hesitate to throw good money after bad to bail out Greece. Rumors have begun to spread regarding if the beleaguered nation might opt out of the EU currency union.

The Greek government, of course, has argued there is no secret exit strategy, and that no matter what happens Greece will continue to participate in the eurozone. The latest rumors of Greece possibly preparing for the worst appear to be a belated reaction to The Lisbon Treaty, an agreement that went into force in December 2009 that grants EU member nations the right to withdraw from the union. Should a nation withdraw from the currency union it must also withdraw from the EU entirely.

Rumors regarding Greece leaving the EU voluntarily or involuntarily reached such an intensity recently that Greek Finance Minister Giorgos Papakonstantinou invited a television crew inside the high security areas of the national mint just to prove the coinage machines were striking euros rather than drachma.

There is no web site for the Greek mint, the mint being listed under the Bank of Greece with an Athens address. The only substantial comment at the web site regarding coinage was: “The period during which the Bank of Greece and tax authorities exchanged drachma coins for euro expired on 1 March 2004.” The current situation was not addressed.

The June 16 issue of the German newspaper Deutsche Welle reported, “Recent weeks have given rise to rumors that Athens has already started preparing for its exit by covertly printing drachma bank notes and coins.”

The newspaper was also quick to quote Papakonstantinou’s response to the rumor – “laughable.” Perhaps the finance minister was trying to appear arrogant on purpose, but his point is well taken. Is it really practical for Greece to return to its pre-euro drachma coins and bank notes or not?

Cologne Institute for Economic Research Director Michael Huether told Deutsche Welle, “What would such a deal look like? It would need to be negotiated.” In Huether’s opinion a switch from the euro to a domestic currency would only work if the nation leaving the currency union was going to devalue its currency once a new domestic currency system was in place.

Huether added, “It (a currency devaluation) would trigger a massive reaction among private investors. There’d be a run on the banks as everyone tries to have their euro-denominated accounts paid out in cash.”

He continued, “In the case of Greece, 95 percent of public debt would still be denominated in euros, and that would still need servicing. The situation would lead to an enormous rise in the price of imports, especially raw materials.” This, Huether said, would be “unmanageable.”

Regarding the option provided by The Lisbon Treaty the German newspaper said, “Theoretically, a eurozone nation could shed its eurozone membership by dropping out of the European Union and rejoining straight away.”

The question needing to be addressed if such a scenario ever took place regards if the other EU members were to refuse to allow that nation re-entry. From a numismatic view there are serious logistics involved as well. Should a nation drop out of the EU and its currency union there has to be some form of currency other than the euro physically in place to be used in commerce, even if that interim period might be brief. Using some imagination, just think of the low mintage coins that might become available resulting from such a financial roller coaster ride!

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tommy271

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ci sono ripercussioni per questa news sulla Grecia?


Oggi 16:05 UE, 9 PAESI CHIEDONO CHE COSTO RIFORMA PENSIONI SIA INCLUSO TRA PARAMETRI PROCEDURA DEFICIT ECCESSIVO - FONTE GOVERNO UNGHERIA

Forse intendevi questo ...., ad ogni modo la Grecia non è tra i 9 paesi firmatari della richiesta.
E' una richiesta di Lituania, Lettonia, Bulgaria, Svezia, Slovacchia (unico paese moneta unica ... ancora tu ...), Ungheria, Romania, Polonia, Repubblica Ceca.


Ue, Germania scettica su proposta computo pensioni per deficit

martedì 17 agosto 2010 17:44

BERLINO 17 agosto (Reuters) - La Germania è "molto scettica" sulle proposte di cambiamento delle regole di computo di deficit e debito pubblico per gli stati che riformino le pensioni, secondo un portavoce del ministero delle Finanze.
"L'introduzione di eccezioni nella definizione del debito renderebbe più difficile l'interpretazione dei numeri a livello europeo", ha detto.
"Andrebbe inoltre a svantaggio di quei governi che hanno scelto altre vie per riformare il proprio sistema pensionistico e ripartiscono diversamente i costi della riforma".
Nove paesi membri dell'Unione europea, per la maggior parte dell'Est, hanno chiesto a Bruxelles che i costi per quelle riforme delle pensioni che hanno sponsorizzato i fondi privati siano computati fra i parametri considerati nelle procedure per deficit eccessivo, secondo una fonte del governo ungherese.
 

tommy271

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  • 20 Turkish fighter jets violate Greek airspace during visit by Netanyahu

Turkish fighter jets according to reports from the Greek media and Greek air traffic control violated Greek airspace during the the visit of Benjamin Netanyahu the Israeli prime minister. Greek fighter jets were engaged with Turkish fighter jets, with visual evidence showing Turkish F-16s deliberately entering Greek airspace in "aggressive manoeuvres".

Greek Israeli relations have strengthened following the deterioration of links with Ankara following the Mavi Marmaris episode were nine Turkish extremists were killed by elite Israeli troops.

The Greek Prime Minister "referred to very productive talks with his Israeli counterpart" and said:

"We do not believe that relations between Greece and Turkey and Israel and Turkey are competitive to relations we are developing with Israel," Papandreou emphasised, adding that "regional cooperation is of vital importance for good neighbourliness, as well as for resolving problems in the region, which are many."

It is also believed Greece will be ordering fighter jets and military technology from Israel in this new climate with Tel Aviv.

(The London Daily News)
 

belindo

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Ciao a tutti, colevo salutarvi e dirvi che vi leggo anche se sono al mare.
Purtroppo devo anche ammettere che la Grecia è l'unico investimento che non stà andando dalle parte giusta...........................purtroppo!
Comincio a metabolizzare il loss......................ma prossimamente ci saranno appuntamenti importanti che potranno risollevare le sorti nei nostri tds? o rimaniamo in balia delle noccioline comprate dalla BCE e dalla volontà della speculazione??
Grazie a tutti sopratutto a Tommy che scrivendo mi tiene aggiornoato, anche se di tempo ne ha visto che è soletto con la moglie in Austria :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 

tommy271

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Ciao a tutti, colevo salutarvi e dirvi che vi leggo anche se sono al mare.
Purtroppo devo anche ammettere che la Grecia è l'unico investimento che non stà andando dalle parte giusta...........................purtroppo!
Comincio a metabolizzare il loss......................ma prossimamente ci saranno appuntamenti importanti che potranno risollevare le sorti nei nostri tds? o rimaniamo in balia delle noccioline comprate dalla BCE e dalla volontà della speculazione??
Grazie a tutti sopratutto a Tommy che scrivendo mi tiene aggiornoato, anche se di tempo ne ha visto che è soletto con la moglie in Austria :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Finchè c'è tempo (e possibilità) tengo aggiornato il thread.
Una buona notizia è che al prossimo vertice UE a novembre sarà presente Obama ... forse ci vuole la solita America per mettere d'accordo il vecchio continente.
La speculazione è tornata alla carica, settimana scorsa giravano rumors di un "attacco" degli Hedge Fund contro Euro e periferici.
Le aste di ieri di Irlanda e Spagna forse hanno stoppato l'assalto ma la nostra Grecia è quella che ne risente di più ...

Non ci resta che incassare il rateo (reale) e tenerci il loss (virtuale).
Alternative?
I soliti switch (ma a fatica, visto che i titoli sono illiquidi) alla più definitiva vendita.
 

tommy271

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Primo accenno di restringimento per gli spread/bund dopo giornate di allargamento.
Purtroppo la nostra Grecia è sempre sotto pressione ...

Grecia 849 pb. (846)
Irlanda 299 pb. (307)
Portogallo 283 pb. (292)
Spagna 174 pb. (188)
Italia 146 pb. (153)
 

tommy271

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GRECIA: ALLARME PER VIRUS NILO OCCIDENTALE, TRE MORTI DA INIZIO MESE

(ASCA-AFP) - Atene, 17 ago - Il ministero greco della Salute ha annunciato il rafforzamento delle misure di prevenzione contro un focolaio di infezione da virus del Nilo occidentale diffusosi nel centro del Paese. La malattia, secondo il centro di controllo e prevenzione delle malattie (Keelpno) ha causato, dall'inizio del mese 3 morti e 47 casi di contagio, di cui 11 solo lo scorso weekend.

Su 47 contagiati, 45 pazienti hanno riportato forme di encefalopatia, una delle conseguenze piu' gravi della malattia. Tre di queste, gia' malate ed anziane, non ce l'hanno fatta. Il virus, che si trasmette all'uomo tramite puntura di zanzara, si e' sviluppato prevalentemente nella regione della Macedonia.


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Le notizie che giungono dalla Grecia, ultimamente, sono sempre negative.
Aggiungiamo anche questa ...
 

tommy271

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Israel and Greece seek to expand military ties


Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:26pm EDT


ATHENS (Reuters) - Israeli and Greek leaders discussed expanding military ties on Tuesday including sharing military know-how and holding joint war games, officials said.
Israel has been keen to expand ties with Greece as its relations with Turkey -- another strategic Mediterranean partner -- soured since an Israeli raid on a Turkish-backed aid flotilla to the Gaza Strip in May.
As he wrapped up his two-day trip to Greece, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- the highest ranking Israeli to visit the country -- said the two nations were "opening a new chapter."


He told reporters that he and Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou had discussed military cooperation.
An official in Netanyahu's entourage told Reuters these discussions "explored establishing greater cooperation between both countries' military industries and armies."


A Greek official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed they "talked about new forms of cooperation on defense and security issues" including the expansion of joint military exercises and sharing technological knowledge.
In a symbolic gesture, Papandreou hosted Netanyahu on a trip to an island off the Athens coast on Tuesday, setting sail on a missile boat Israel sold to Greece eight years ago.


Papandreou told a joint news conference with the Israeli leader on Monday that they were looking at expanding strategic ties. Israeli officials said a team of experts on security and trade ties would soon meet to map out further details.
Netanyahu has said he wants to mend fences with Turkey and that upgrading relations with Greece could further that goal.
Greece is Turkey's long-standing rival in the Mediterranean. The came to the brink of war at least twice in the 20th century.


Israel sees Greece as more ready to build ties with it because it senses that Athens' traditional Arab allies seem less opposed than in the past, due to shared fears of Iran which many in the West believe is seeking to make a nuclear bomb.
"Relations are now developing at great speed due to our common interests," another senior Israeli official told reporters on the sidelines of the trip.


Netanyahu is the first Israeli Prime Minister to visit Greece, which only forged full diplomatic ties with the Jewish state in 1990, later than other European countries. Israel and Greece signed a defense cooperation agreement in 1994.
 

tommy271

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Argentine Debt Safer Than Greece as Expansion Quickens: Argentina Credit

By Boris Korby - Aug 18, 2010 5:00 AM GMT

The credit-markets are showing that Argentina’s debt is less risky than Greece for the first time in seven weeks as the South American nation’s economy grows at the fastest pace since 1992.
The cost of protecting Argentine debt against non-payment for five years with credit-default swaps fell 15 basis points, or 0.15 percentage point, to 817 this week, 27 less than similar contracts for Greece, according to CMA DataVision. Greek swaps rose 24 basis points in the same period.
Argentine credit risk will remain below Greece as surging commodity exports boost tax revenue in South America’s second- biggest economy, according to Wells Fargo & Co. While Argentina’s economy is forecast to grow 9.7 percent this year by Morgan Stanley, the fastest in the region, Greece’s gross domestic product may shrink 4 percent, according to the government and European Union estimates.
“It is definitely a longer-term trend,” said Aryam Vazquez, an emerging-markets economist at Wells Fargo in New York. “The economy is growing, and the growth outlook is very robust. But more importantly, the fiscal situation is very strong. Their financing needs aren’t even a concern now, and that clearly is not the case with Greece.”


Budget Deficit


Argentina’s budget deficit will equal 0.1 percent of GDP this year, according to Morgan Stanley, which revised its estimate lower from 1 percent on Aug. 9. Greece is seeking to reduce its budget shortfall to 8.1 percent of GDP from last year’s 13.6 percent, the highest in the 27-nation European Union after Ireland. Greece’s debt equaled 113 percent of GDP last year, more than double Argentina’s 49 percent ratio, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
The average yield on Argentine bonds sank 93 basis points to 9.92 this year, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. indexes. The yield on the 5.83 percent peso-denominated bond due in 2033 is 10.18 percent. The yield on Greece’s bonds due in 2020 surged 440 basis points to 10.69 percent since trading began in March, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Five-year credit default swaps tied to Argentine debt tumbled 175 basis points the past three months, the biggest decline among governments in the world after Ukraine and Pakistan, according to CMA. Contracts for Greece surged 230 to 844 during the same period, the world’s biggest surge behind Venezuela.
Argentine swaps first fell below Greece on June 24, trading at 151 basis points below, before climbing back above four days later.
Argentine credit default swaps will probably trade cheaper than Greek contracts for the next 12 months, said Jim Craige, who helps manage $12 billion of emerging-market debt at Stone Harbor Investment Partners in New York.


‘Rollover Risk’


“In Argentina, you continue to have a lower debt-to-GDP rate, less rollover risk and relatively high growth,” Craige said in a phone interview. “These are much more likely to attract capital than countries that have high debt-to-GDP, structural fiscal deficits and high rollover risk, such as Greece.”
The extra yield investors demand to own Argentine dollar bonds instead of U.S. Treasuries fell 12 basis points to 678 yesterday, according to JPMorgan. The difference is down from 846 on July 1. The peso was little changed at 3.9340 per dollar.
Warrants linked to economic growth rose 0.1 cent to 10.1 cents on the dollar yesterday. The securities surged from 5.3 cents in February.
Record Harvest
A record 55 million-ton soybean harvest helped the central bank boost reserves to an all-time high of $51.1 billion in July and pushed tax revenue 39 percent higher in June from a year earlier to 37.3 billion pesos. Argentina’s budget surplus before interest payments was 2.7 billion pesos in June. The government has run a so-called primary surplus every month since December 2008.
“Commodity exports have been huge for Argentina,” Craige said. “That’s the big driver here. It’s produced an account surplus and higher growth relative to other markets.”
Accelerating growth pushed inflation to 11.2 percent in July, the highest in four years, according to the National Statistics Institute. Former Undersecretary of Finance Miguel Kiguel estimates inflation is actually running at about 25 percent.
Economists and government officials including Vice President Julio Cobos have questioned the accuracy of the inflation data, saying officials have underreported price increases since January 2007, when former President Nestor Kirchner made personnel changes at the statistics agency.


‘Regime Change’


“Argentina’s macro management is still very poor,” said Bertrand Delgado, an economist at Roubini Global Economics LLC in New York. Argentina’s credit-default swaps will only “see a significant move downward with a regime change, to one that’s somewhat more market friendly and has the political capital to implement the necessary changes in macro policy. That’s still a long bet,” he said.
President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s four-year term ends in December 2011.
Argentine default swaps have tumbled from 1,379 basis points in May as Fernandez, 57, restructured $12.9 billion of defaulted debt, sparking a credit-rating upgrade by Fitch Ratings to B, or five levels below investment grade, from default. Greece was forced to seek an EU-led bailout in May after mounting concerns the country may default drove up its borrowing costs.
“You cannot compare anymore the fiscal strength of Greece to a country like Spain,” said Alberto Bernal, head of fixed- income research at Bulltick Capital Markets, a Miami-based brokerage that focuses on Latin America. “It’s no longer a valid comparison. So you start looking at alternatives and Argentina is one.”

(Bloomberg)
 

giutrader

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Le autorità locali non rilasciano più dichiarazioni di non ristrutturazione del debito. Prima lo lo dicevano una volta a settimana.. il ministro delle finanze e Papandreu in primis.

Gli spread hanno toccato livelli paurosi, la borsa di Atene nel frattempo sale, e pensare che ad Aprile non sapevamo nemmeno se la Grecia sarebbe arrivata a Giugno. Adesso i ns Tds valgono meno di allora... nonostante gli aiuti, i rigidi controlli e le riforme attuate.... C'è qualcosa che non quadra... :titanic:
 
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