Hedger
Nuovo forumer
Lo spirito della discussione è ben sintetizzato in questo postancora a parlare di default!?!?
è uscita qualche nuova notizia?!
http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/1827194-post17412.html
Non credo sia necessario ripeterlo.
Titoli di Stato area Euro GRECIA Operativo titoli di stato - Cap. 1
- Creatore Discussione Imark
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http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/1827194-post17412.html
Non credo sia necessario ripeterlo.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Se fai qualche rapida ricerca troverai "bannature" oltre che richiami di vario genere rivolti a diversi utenti del forum che pompavano titoli che avevano in portafoglio. Non mi sembra una operazione particolarmente complessa
Magari su altre discussioni, ma non qui sulla Grecia.
Del resto i titoli ellenici a "pompaggio" sono rari e abbastanza noti ...
Imark
Forumer storico
Concordo ed aggiungo che, volenti o nolenti, in questi ultimi anni, in molte circostanze non siamo stati oggettivamente in grado di effettuare valutazioni abbastanza precise circa lo stato dei vari emittenti per carenza di informazioni e/o eventi non prevedibili e molto altro ancora (ricordo, a titolo esplicativo, il caso Merrill che tutti pensavamo messa meglio rispetto alle altre banche d'affari Usa e così non era).
Dunque, in assenza d'informazioni e/o con informazioni fuorvianti fatte circolare ad arte nel caos mediatico dei mercati finanziari, l'unica cosa che si può ragionevolmente proporre in questa sede, evitando tifo da bar dello sport, è quella di trovare un trade-off tra rischio e rendimento che, giocoforza, dipende solo dalle nostre esigenze.
Sarebbe forse il caso di aprire un 3D di riflessione su quelle vicende, a due anni esatti dal loro verificarsi.
Merrill fu - almeno per me - un indicatore di quanto fosse diffusa e grave la situazione delle esposizioni rischiose parcheggiate fuori bilancio dalle banche USA, di affari e non (e anche alcune banche europee non stanno "messe meglio", IMHO).
Sembrava infatti che la banca si fosse in larga misura risanata, attraverso non pochi sacrifici, con una serie di svalutazioni incisive su portafoglio crediti e titoli asset backed (con valori patrimoniali portati a zero per intere classi di asset detenuti, o abbattuti del 50%-75%) seguite da ricapitalizzazioni altrettanto imponenti, quando emerse invece che c'era altrettanta immondizia nei SIV e negli altri veicoli societari fuori bilancio, strutture dei cui destini Merrill sostanzialmente rispondeva.
Ero anche personalmente convinto che non avrebbero lasciato andare Lehman, avendo lo stesso governo USA salvato Bear Stearns pochi mesi prima in una situazione del tutto identica, in quanto il suo default avrebbe generato rischi sistemici di collasso finanziario. E Bear era dimensionalmente pari ad 1/3 di Lehman.
Ci feci anche una piccola scommessa, e sì che da 25 anni ho smesso di giocare anche a totocalcio e lotterie varie...
Ovviamente andò male... 
tommy271
Forumer storico
Sentiment rests on loan talk, debt sale
As Finance Minister Giorgos Papaconstantinou meets with his European peers in Luxemburg today and tomorrow, investors will be watching out for any news on the EU and International Monetary Fund providing Greece with more time to pay back its loans.
A loosening of the time schedule on the 110-billion-euro debt would push the Athens bourse onto a sustainable upward course, according to brokers, giving the country more time to get a grip on its public debt and avoid the possibility of bankruptcy after the loan period ends in 2012.
Last week, the Athens bourse benchmark general index added 1.40 percent, ending at 1,549.94 points, after sentiment was boosted by news that National Bank’s 1.8-billion-euro rights issue and bond offering was met with strong demand.
Investors will also be keeping an eye out this week for results from tomorrow’s 13-week treasury bill auction, in which the Public Debt Management Agency plans to raise 900 million euros. With the spread on 10-year Greek bonds over German Bunds narrowing recently, the yield to be offered on the 13-week T-bill auction is expected to be lower than the previous auction held in July.
(Kathimerini.gr)
As Finance Minister Giorgos Papaconstantinou meets with his European peers in Luxemburg today and tomorrow, investors will be watching out for any news on the EU and International Monetary Fund providing Greece with more time to pay back its loans.
A loosening of the time schedule on the 110-billion-euro debt would push the Athens bourse onto a sustainable upward course, according to brokers, giving the country more time to get a grip on its public debt and avoid the possibility of bankruptcy after the loan period ends in 2012.
Last week, the Athens bourse benchmark general index added 1.40 percent, ending at 1,549.94 points, after sentiment was boosted by news that National Bank’s 1.8-billion-euro rights issue and bond offering was met with strong demand.
Investors will also be keeping an eye out this week for results from tomorrow’s 13-week treasury bill auction, in which the Public Debt Management Agency plans to raise 900 million euros. With the spread on 10-year Greek bonds over German Bunds narrowing recently, the yield to be offered on the 13-week T-bill auction is expected to be lower than the previous auction held in July.
(Kathimerini.gr)
ferdo
Utente Senior
Se fai qualche rapida ricerca troverai "bannature" oltre che richiami di vario genere rivolti a diversi utenti del forum che pompavano titoli che avevano in portafoglio. Non mi sembra una operazione particolarmente complessa
scusa, fai un'affermazione, ti chiedo di portarmi degli esempi, e mi rispondi di andarmeli a cercare ...
forse postali tu, perchè qui dentro di pompaggi non ne ho visti
Hedger
Nuovo forumer
Tommy, nel mio intervento, ho genericamente parlato di "pompaggio" senza far riferimento a thread, obbligazioni o utenti.
http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/1827084-post17401.html
tommy271
Forumer storico
No control over public firm wages
Network of supplementary pay deals for state workers may be canceling out effect of salary cuts
The government’s efforts to slash public spending are being undermined by the lack of control that it appears to have over bonus payments and overtime paid to employees of some public companies, especially in the transport sector.
Last year, the debts of public companies, known as DEKO, totaled 13.1 billion euros in 2009, which was up from 5.6 billion euros in 2004.
However, despite the austerity measures aimed at reducing the cost of the public sector to Greek taxpayers, it seems that some state-run firms have remained resistant to these attempts.
Civil servants’ pay and bonuses have been cut by more than 20 percent this year but a senior official at the state’s General Accounting Office told Sunday’s Kathimerini that he has no way of knowing whether the cuts to public sector workers’ salaries have simply been replaced by more overtime pay or special supplementary pay packages.
A recent internal report at the Kifissia-Piraeus electric railway (ISAP) indicated the scale of the problem. “During the course of the inspection of the company’s accounts, it was not possible to ascertain via computerized records which employees receive supplementary pay as part of their collective contracts or following decisions by the management,” the report said. “However, the investigation revealed a large number of supplementary pay packages: 49 categories, some of which subdivide into further extra pay deals.”
It is estimated that ISAP paid 6 million euros in supplementary pay last year. Some of the packages are connected to agreements that were made many years ago and in circumstances that were totally different to the current ones. Night watchmen for instance, receive extra pay to cover the cost of their food, while technical staff at ISAP receive a pay boost equivalent to 4 percent of their salary that is known as the “hand-washing package.”
In one case, an ISAP employee with a basic monthly wage of about 3,900 euros was found to have boosted his salary to 8,675 euros thanks to a range of supplementary pay deals, meaning he took home more than 5,100 euros after tax.
(Kathimerini.gr)
The government’s efforts to slash public spending are being undermined by the lack of control that it appears to have over bonus payments and overtime paid to employees of some public companies, especially in the transport sector.
Last year, the debts of public companies, known as DEKO, totaled 13.1 billion euros in 2009, which was up from 5.6 billion euros in 2004.
However, despite the austerity measures aimed at reducing the cost of the public sector to Greek taxpayers, it seems that some state-run firms have remained resistant to these attempts.
Civil servants’ pay and bonuses have been cut by more than 20 percent this year but a senior official at the state’s General Accounting Office told Sunday’s Kathimerini that he has no way of knowing whether the cuts to public sector workers’ salaries have simply been replaced by more overtime pay or special supplementary pay packages.
A recent internal report at the Kifissia-Piraeus electric railway (ISAP) indicated the scale of the problem. “During the course of the inspection of the company’s accounts, it was not possible to ascertain via computerized records which employees receive supplementary pay as part of their collective contracts or following decisions by the management,” the report said. “However, the investigation revealed a large number of supplementary pay packages: 49 categories, some of which subdivide into further extra pay deals.”
It is estimated that ISAP paid 6 million euros in supplementary pay last year. Some of the packages are connected to agreements that were made many years ago and in circumstances that were totally different to the current ones. Night watchmen for instance, receive extra pay to cover the cost of their food, while technical staff at ISAP receive a pay boost equivalent to 4 percent of their salary that is known as the “hand-washing package.”
In one case, an ISAP employee with a basic monthly wage of about 3,900 euros was found to have boosted his salary to 8,675 euros thanks to a range of supplementary pay deals, meaning he took home more than 5,100 euros after tax.
(Kathimerini.gr)
ferdo
Utente Senior
queste sono le tue testuali parole di inizio:
"Ci sono diverse persone che "pompano" i titoli sia qui che nell'altro forum. :-("
Ora come fai a dire che non fai riferimenti!
Attendo sempre gli esempi di pompaggio di "qui". Grazie!
Imark
Forumer storico
Forse Hedger voleva parlare di "supporter" dei titoli, non credo alludesse al "pompaggio" come tecnica di promozione scorretta dell'acquisto dei titoli greci presso altri utenti....
Questo, almeno qui, non credo lo faccia nessuno.
Poi chi ce li ha fa un po' di "tifo", chi non ce li ha perché ritiene abbiano prospettive negative tira magari un po' il freno a mano, ma tutto si svolge, su questo 3D, su di un binario di correttezza e di trasparenza...
Hedger
Nuovo forumer
Certo Mark, come quel "supporter" che tu hai richiamato perchè cancellava il post (piu' o meno sempre con lo stesso contenuto) inserito il giorno T-1 per reinserirlo il giorno T in modo che il relativo thread fosse sempre in prima pagina o quell'altro "supporter" che dava anche buoni consigli (se ben ricordo usando due nick distinti) ma sempre sui titoli che aveva in portafoglio.Forse Hedger voleva parlare di "supporter" dei titoli, non credo alludesse al "pompaggio" come tecnica di promozione scorretta dell'acquisto dei titoli greci presso altri utenti....
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