Titoli di Stato area Euro GRECIA Operativo titoli di stato - Cap. 1 (5 lettori)

[tommy271]

coraggio ragazzi non puo' piovere per sempre...


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magari domani grandina

Domani grandina, ma ci ripariamo sotto le tettoie.
Dalle tue parti c'è il tifone ....

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Una serie di cinque esplosioni ha scosso oggi il distretto finanziario di Bangkok, provocando la morte di almeno una persona e il ferimento di altre 75 persone, tra cui diversi stranieri.
Lo hanno riferito fonti ospedaliere e i media thailandesi, mentre sale la tensione nel confronto tra migliaia di manifestanti anti-governativi e i soldati.
Un portavoce dell'esercito ha detto che le esplosione sono state provocate dallo scoppio di granate M-79.
Centinaia di soldati, armati con fucili automatici, sono nella zona da lunedì scorso per dissuadere le migliaia di manifestanti dal marciare nel distretto di banche e uffici.
Non lontano dal luogo delle esplosioni, decine di migliaia di dimostranti -- che sostengono l'ex-primo ministro Thaksin Shinawatra -- hanno rafforzato con barricate artigianali il proprio quartier generale nella zona commerciale di Bangkok, aspettando in qualsiasi momento l'arrivo dell'esercito.
Nessuna delle due parti mostra segni di arretramento dopo il caotico tentativo dell'esercito di sradicare i manifestanti da un'altra zona lo scorso 10 aprile, in scontri che hanno provocato la morte di 25 persone e il ferimento di altre 800.
L'esercito ha nuovamente avvertito che potrebbe disperdere con la forza le "camicie rosse", movimento composto prevalentemente dai poveri delle zone rurali e urbane.
"I vostri giorni sono contati", ha detto oggi il portavoce dell'esercito. "Se ve ne andate ora non sarete perseguiti. Ma se aspetterete fino all'arrivo delle forze dell'ordine, sarete perseguiti. Potrete essere anche colpiti da proiettili vaganti durante gli scontri tra le forze di sicurezza e i terroristi pesantemente armati".
I capi delle camicie rosse hanno detto che lasceranno Bangkok solo quando il primo ministro annuncerà lo scioglimento del Parlamento e indirà elezioni anticipate.
Circa 20.000 manifestanti hanno occupato tre chilometri quadrati nel centro di Bangkok. "Non ho paura", dice Saisunee, 23 anni, che fa parte delle camicie rosse. "Qui c'è molta gente, non penso che l'esercito possa colpirci".
Qualsiasi tentativo di disperdere i manifestanti rischia di trasformarsi in un bagno di sangue, con la prospettiva che gli scontri si diffondano anche nelle zone residenziali.
Un gruppo filogovernativo "multicolore" ha detto di voler riunire 50.000 persone per una manifestazione nel centro della capitale davanti alla sede del governo per chiedere che le camicie rosse vengano fermate.
Questo gruppo comprende impiegati d'ufficio, proprietari di negozi, la classe media e i membri delle "camicie gialle" filogovernative, che due anni fa manifestarono a Bangkok per far cadere il governo degli alleati di Thaksin.
Oggi circa 200 camicie rosse hanno manifestato davanti al quartier generale regionale della Nazioni Unite a Bangkok per chiedere che vengano impiegati i caschi blu per garantire la sicurezza.

 

[vegar]

Voi che fate?

Io sono uscito stamattina, avevo messo poco (2000 euro) e ci ho perso 200 euro. A maggio valuterò il da farsi...ma sono poco propenso a rientrare

 

[Gaudente]

Dalle tue parti c'è il tifone ....

Figurati che oggi la Borsa Thai, nonostante quasi tutte le altre borse fossero in ribasso , ha chiuso con un +0,4%
Ma ovviamente la chiusura non sconta i nuovi disordini, quindi concordo che domani arrivera' la martellata ...comunque le prime trimestrali sono tutte in forte rialzo, la Kiatnakin ha piu' che raddoppiato i profitti http://www.set.or.th/dat/news/201004/10013338.pdf

 

[tommy271]

22 aprile 2010 - 19:41 Grecia, peggiora deficit, tassi record sui bond

BRUXELLES - Improvvisa accelerazione della crisi in Grecia, a un mese circa dall'annuncio del piano di salvataggio Ue-Fmi. Il giovedì nero di Atene è cominciato a Bruxelles, dove in mattinata Eurostat, l'ufficio statistico della Ue, ha lanciato un nuovo allarme sul deficit: nel 2009 è stato più elevato del previsto, attestandosi al 13,6%; e non è detto che non peggiori ulteriormente.

La risposta dei mercati non si è fatta attendere: i tassi sui titoli pubblici greci e lo spread con il bund tedesco hanno fatto registrare livelli da record, mai così elevati dall'entrata di Atene nell'euro. E Moody's ha deciso di abbassare da A2 ad A3 il rating del Paese ellenico, minacciando nuovi tagli.

Il premier Giorgio Papandreou ha riassunto la drammaticità della giornata: "Siamo in emergenza nazionale", ha detto nel corso di una riunione straordinaria del governo, invitando tutti a "non lasciarsi prendere dal panico" e a "non perdere la testa".

Anche perché l'allarme sociale cresce di giorno in giorno. Oggi è stata la volta dei dipendenti pubblici che hanno sfilato in migliaia per le strade della capitale, per protestare contro il piano 'lacrime e sangue' imposto dal governo e contro il rischio di nuovi tagli decisi sotto la pressione della Ue e dell'Fmi.


(Swissinfo.ch)

 

[troppidebiti]

Figurati che oggi la Borsa Thai, nonostante quasi tutte le altre borse fossero in ribasso , ha chiuso con un +0,4%
Ma ovviamente la chiusura non sconta i nuovi disordini, quindi concordo che domani arrivera' la martellata ...comunque le prime trimestrali sono tutte in forte rialzo, la Kiatnakin ha piu' che raddoppiato i profitti http://www.set.or.th/dat/news/201004/10013338.pdf

vuoi? te ne offro un pochino?

 

[Gaudente]

vuoi? te ne offro un pochino?

Yoghurt e fragole ? Volendo si trovano anche qui in Thai, ma ammetto che e' da tanto tempo che non li mangio assieme ... mi pare poi che di yoghurt greco (solido) qui a Pattaya non ce ne sia ... c'e' la feta sott'olio , ma non lo yoghurt greco ... vabbeh, non si puo' avere tutto

 

[dierre]

Ragazzi, ho mantenuto 10K nominali, il resto venduto ovviamente con perdita non indifferente. Memore della vicenda Lehman, aspetto sviluppi...

Voi che fate?

io sono ancora dentro al 37... ovviamente in loss... aspetto, non credo in un default.

coraggio ragazzi non puo' piovere per sempre...
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magari domani grandina

ma magari domani rispunta il sole....

 

[Topgun1976]

Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded the government bond ratings of Greece to A3 from A2 and placed them on review for further possible downgrade. This decision is based on Moody's view that there is a significant risk that debt may only stabilise at a higher and more costly level than previously estimated.
The rating review will determine whether the ratings will remain in the A range and their likely outlook. Moody's will conclude the ratings review once it has obtained greater clarity on longer-term policy measures and Greece's macroeconomic prospects. In line with its usual practice, the rating agency expects to conclude the review at any point during the next three months.

Moody's also put Greece's Prime-1 short-term issuer rating under review for downgrade. Greece's country ceilings for bonds and bank deposits continue to be rated Aaa (in line with the Eurozone's rating) and remain unaffected by today's rating action or the review.

"Although the Greek government appears to be on, or even ahead of, schedule in terms of the implementation of the actions laid out in its Stability and Growth Programme, the difficult macroeconomic and financial environment has made continued adherence to the programme considerably more challenging," says Sarah Carlson, VP-Senior Analyst in Moody's Sovereign Risk Group and lead analyst for Greece.

In December 2009, Moody's downgraded Greece's government bond rating to A2 with a negative outlook from A1. At the time, the A2 rating was based on three factors: (1) the realisation that the Greek government's ambitious Stability and Growth Programme entails significant execution risk; (2) the very limited liquidity risk faced by Greece because of the ECB's continued willingness to accept the government's debt as collateral; and (3) the assumption that conditional support from the EU and/or IMF would be forthcoming, if necessary, and confidence-enhancing.

Four months later, the government's resolve to shore up the country's fundamental creditworthiness does not seem to be weakening. In general, the government has produced a number of positive surprises, including an indication on 20 April 2010 that structural economic measures are now in the pipeline.

However, the fractious mobilisation of external assistance has made it significantly more difficult for Greece to maintain its debt metrics within the A range. Moreover, the revision of Greek debt and deficit statistics on 22 April 2010 has further raised the bar for the government to achieve the goals it laid out in the Stability and Growth Programme. As a result, Moody's now believes that debt stabilisation will, in all likelihood, eventually occur but that it may materialise at a higher price and a level more consistent with a Baa-range rating.

Given this context, today's downgrade of Greece's rating to A3 and review for further possible downgrade is consistent with Moody's aim to move ratings in an orderly fashion, providing a medium-term assessment of creditworthiness.

"It is unlikely that the rating will remain at A3, unless the government's actions can restore confidence in the markets and counteract the prevailing headwinds of high interest rates and low growth that could ultimately undermine the government's ability to sustainably cut debt levels," said Ms. Carlson.

Therefore, Moody's review will aim to assess the prospects for credible debt stabilisation against the backdrop of financial market scepticism, the courageous but unpopular fiscal adjustment, and the painful economic restructuring.

The previous rating action on Greece was implemented on 22 December 2009, when Moody's downgraded Greece's rating to A2 with a negative outlook.

The principal methodology used in rating the government of Greece is "Moody's Sovereign Bond Methodology", published in September 2008, which can be found at OpenDNS in the Rating Methodologies sub-directory under the Research & Ratings tab. Other methodologies and factors that may have been considered in the process of rating this issuer can also be found in the Rating Methodologies sub-directory on Moody's website.

 

[Topgun1976]

Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded the government bond ratings of Greece to A3 from A2 and placed them on review for further possible downgrade. This decision is based on Moody's view that there is a significant risk that debt may only stabilise at a higher and more costly level than previously estimated.
The rating review will determine whether the ratings will remain in the A range and their likely outlook. Moody's will conclude the ratings review once it has obtained greater clarity on longer-term policy measures and Greece's macroeconomic prospects. In line with its usual practice, the rating agency expects to conclude the review at any point during the next three months.

Moody's also put Greece's Prime-1 short-term issuer rating under review for downgrade. Greece's country ceilings for bonds and bank deposits continue to be rated Aaa (in line with the Eurozone's rating) and remain unaffected by today's rating action or the review.

"Although the Greek government appears to be on, or even ahead of, schedule in terms of the implementation of the actions laid out in its Stability and Growth Programme, the difficult macroeconomic and financial environment has made continued adherence to the programme considerably more challenging," says Sarah Carlson, VP-Senior Analyst in Moody's Sovereign Risk Group and lead analyst for Greece.

In December 2009, Moody's downgraded Greece's government bond rating to A2 with a negative outlook from A1. At the time, the A2 rating was based on three factors: (1) the realisation that the Greek government's ambitious Stability and Growth Programme entails significant execution risk; (2) the very limited liquidity risk faced by Greece because of the ECB's continued willingness to accept the government's debt as collateral; and (3) the assumption that conditional support from the EU and/or IMF would be forthcoming, if necessary, and confidence-enhancing.

Four months later, the government's resolve to shore up the country's fundamental creditworthiness does not seem to be weakening. In general, the government has produced a number of positive surprises, including an indication on 20 April 2010 that structural economic measures are now in the pipeline.

However, the fractious mobilisation of external assistance has made it significantly more difficult for Greece to maintain its debt metrics within the A range. Moreover, the revision of Greek debt and deficit statistics on 22 April 2010 has further raised the bar for the government to achieve the goals it laid out in the Stability and Growth Programme. As a result, Moody's now believes that debt stabilisation will, in all likelihood, eventually occur but that it may materialise at a higher price and a level more consistent with a Baa-range rating.

Given this context, today's downgrade of Greece's rating to A3 and review for further possible downgrade is consistent with Moody's aim to move ratings in an orderly fashion, providing a medium-term assessment of creditworthiness.

"It is unlikely that the rating will remain at A3, unless the government's actions can restore confidence in the markets and counteract the prevailing headwinds of high interest rates and low growth that could ultimately undermine the government's ability to sustainably cut debt levels," said Ms. Carlson.

Therefore, Moody's review will aim to assess the prospects for credible debt stabilisation against the backdrop of financial market scepticism, the courageous but unpopular fiscal adjustment, and the painful economic restructuring.

The previous rating action on Greece was implemented on 22 December 2009, when Moody's downgraded Greece's rating to A2 with a negative outlook.

The principal methodology used in rating the government of Greece is "Moody's Sovereign Bond Methodology", published in September 2008, which can be found at www.moodys.com in the Rating Methodologies sub-directory under the Research & Ratings tab. Other methodologies and factors that may have been considered in the process of rating this issuer can also be found in the Rating Methodologies sub-directory on Moody's website.

 

[Mr.Noob]

non so se sia stato già postato. ma invito a leggere il seguente articolo, riassume in maniera analitica praticamente ogni singolo aspetto.
p.s. ad entrare nella Grecia non vi ha obbligato il medico, sarebbe più piacevole parlare di fatti evitando piagnistei vari.

Escalating Greek default fears rock Europe's debt markets

Greece's debt crisis has reached a dramatic crescendo after the EU revealed that the country's debt and deficit figures are even worse than feared and leading banks began to talk openly of debt-restructuring.

With contagion spreading across Southern Europe, spreads on 10-year Greek bonds exploded to almost 600 basis points over German Bunds in panic trading, pushing borrowing costs close to 9pc. Rates on two-year debt rose to 10.6pc in a market gone mad.
“It is clear that the Greek situation is a very serious one,” said Dominique Strauss-Kahn, head of the International Monetary Fund. “There is no silver bullet to solve it in an easy manner.”

Credit default swaps (CDS) on Portuguese debt surged 50 basis points in a matter of hours to an all-time high of 270. Markit said the CDS on Spain reached a fresh record of 175, and Ireland jumped to 162, with jitters reaching Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Russia and even Argentina.
“This is now a real test of EU leadership,” said Julian Callow, of Barclays Capital. “Europe needs to act very fast to ring-fence Greece to prevent contagion. There has never been a default in Western Europe since World War Two and the whole financial system is depending on the assumption that it cannot be allowed to happen. There may need to be some sort of 'Brady bonds’ or 'Barroso bonds’,” he said, referring to the solution for Latin American debt in the 1980s.
The Parthenon was closed to visitors, a symbol of the Greece’s paralysis as public employees carried out yet another general strike, this time as EU and IMF officials were holding their second day of tense talks in Athens.
Ilias Iliopoulos, head of the Adedy union, said the protest was a warning that calls for further cuts would meet resistance. “These bloodthirsty measures won’t help Greece exit the crisis. A tragic period begins,” he said. Greece is already squeezing fiscal policy by 6pc of GDP this year – cutting the deficit by 4pc – in the most draconian cuts ever imposed on a modern developed country.
Goldman Sachs said it is expecting Greece to offer some sort of “voluntary debt-restructuring” to creditors over coming months. Erik Nielsen, the bank’s Europe economist, said the rescue formula may evolve into a mixture of loans and debt forgiveness in order to give Greece “a much longer breathing space”.
Any move is likely to be friendly. “I don’t think we are going to cross into the territory of forced debt restructuring,” he said. It is understood that EU officials are exploring formulae that would avoid triggering CDS default contracts, which could cause big losses for European banks that issued the derivatives.
City bankers are bracing for a possible haircut of up to 50pc on €270bn (£235bn) of Greek sovereign debt, hoping that any losses will be split between creditors and some sort of EU resolution fund.
The trigger for Thursday’s wild moves was a report by Eurostat, the EU’s data agency, that Greece’s budget deficit last year was at least 13.6pc of GDP, and may be revised to over 14pc after a probe into “off-market swaps” and social security funds. Overall debt may be 5pc to 7pc of GDP higher than thought, pushing the total for 2009 to 122pc.
US rating agency Moody’s downgraded Greece’s debt one notch to A2 and warned of more to come. “The debt may stabilise only at a higher and more costly level,” it said.
Moody’s rebuked the EU’s “fractious” handling of rescue talks and said the country would in any case need more than the €45bn of aid so far ear-marked by the EU and the IMF.
Germany’s ruling coalition is still sending mixed messages. The finance spokesman for Germany’s Free Democrats, Frank Schäffler, told Handelsblatt on Thursday that Greece should “voluntarily step outside the eurozone” if it cannot comply with austerity demands. “Any other way is frankly a placebo to calm the markets,” he said.
The Greek media said the country may ask for a short-term EU loan before the full bail-out kicks in, though it is unclear how this could work. Nor is it clear what premier George Papandreou hopes to gain from delaying activation of the rescue mechanism, unless he is hoping to exploit fears of EMU-wide contagion to extract better terms. Athens is demanding a loan rate below the 5pc so far agreed.
Any talk of Greek restructuring is potentially dangerous. “It would cause massive [bond] spread turmoil in other peripherals if a troubled EMU member was not even given the chance to put its consolidation plans into practice,” said Marcel Bross, of Commerzbank.
Suki Mann, of Societe Generale, said such a move would be a major headache for Portugal, Spain and Ireland. “In extremis, this could lead to debt restructuring in these countries too,” he said.
Data from the Bank for International Settlements shows that French-based banks have $75bn of exposure to Greek debt, and German banks have $45bn . Both countries are heavily exposed to Portugal as well.
Northern Europe may have to agree to softer terms for Greek terms at the end of this poker game, or risk a banking crisis.

Escalating Greek default fears rock Europe's debt markets - Telegraph