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giornate nere per le quotazioni

Poteva sempre essere una sospensione per eccesso di rialzo ... :D

:up: la verità è che questa serie di giornate nere le rendono indistinguibili l'una dall'altra!
Ovviamente io non mi sposto dalla mia collocazione, e aspetto le cedole fra pochi mesi, in attesa che la politica europea si accorga del baratro che ha davanti.
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
 
:ciao: Giornata nera anche oggi per le ns. quotazioni, ormai si vende di tutto a prezzi da saldo, in pieno triplo panico. Però, guardiamo un po' anche ai fatti, che Tommy giustamente ci posta continuamente. Vediamo se l'UE politica ha il coraggio di negare la tranche di 12 miliardi alla Grecia?
Voi cosa credete?
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe

potevi anche dire: caspita oggi che gap nei book!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
sera stefano, mi fa piacere sapere, da super esperto di titoli quale sei, la percentuale di perdita maggiore da te prevista per i titoli ggb: 35% max 40%. Non è poco, ma per quello che già adesso sconta il mercato, acquistare a questi prezzi, sarebbe conveniente.
Un saluto e ricambio gli auguri di buona pasqua
ti rispondo con 2 domande e un affermazione .1)se avessi bisogno di soldi disinvestiresti con loss di 25/30% sui titoli greci?2)la metodologia di panico con cui informano la gente è adeguata a tutti?se voglio speculare su prodotti così volatili adopero titoli az,giornalieri che spostano il 10% e chiudo subito la posizione.se lo acquisto bene nell'onda del panico o calo che sia guadagno, ma non potrei comunque aspettare mesi o anni, col rischio cedole non pagate.non pavento nulla ma a volte un fallimento di una nazione potrebbe dare già un responso in merito e come muoversi di conseguenza.la mia riflessione è che si rimanga a prezzi bassi per sfinire l'investitore e indurlo alla vendita..sarebbe un fallimento peggiore che un vero e prorio default:wall:. auguri di buona pasqua a tutti i forumisti,Stefano
 
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Il fatto è che lei costruisce e vende immobili come mestiere. Nell'investimento familiare mette in locazione immobili che riesce a farci un 4% netto sul valore dell'immobile al netto delle quotazioni dell'immobile negli anni.

non per mettere in dubbio le capacità di tua moglie.....poi dipende da dove ecc....ma un 4% dal buy to rent netto è una rarità...poi dipende da come fai i calcoli e come arrivi al netto....ma cosa intendi con "al netto delle quotazioni"? Vuoi dire che gli immobili di tua moglie sono cresciuti dal 2007 ad oggi? :eek::eek::eek:

Poi ripeto, mi occupo anche io di investimenti immobiliari, e tutte le volte che rifaccio i conti dei mattonari, cifre alla mano, scopro che quel 4% in realtà è un 2% netto...ma che, tolto un calo medio delle quotazioni del 20% dal 2007 ad oggi...vedi tu...
Infine cosa completamente diversa è chi lo fa come professione. Un costruttore ha un margine di circa il 30% :up:...adesso che va male....nei tempi d'oro era oltre il 50%....
 
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Ma il book della ggbei 25 è deserto e non si può entrare, vi risulta che il titolo
sia sospeso?

Oggi è sospeso un po' tutto.
Secondo me sarà sospeso tutto anche lunedì, questi sono giorni difficili per i poveri cristi che investono in borsa...

Comunque succede ogni anno, e alla fine si sopravvive, anzi si risorge. ;)
 
Oggi è sospeso un po' tutto.
Secondo me sarà sospeso tutto anche lunedì, questi sono giorni difficili per i poveri cristi che investono in borsa...

Comunque succede ogni anno, e alla fine si sopravvive, anzi si risorge. ;)


ESEG Buy MOT GREECE 40 4.6 EUR 30000 40,56 22/04/11 11:24:17 30000 40,56
 
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UPDATE 2-Greece may extend debt maturities - Greek press
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Reuters - 22/04/2011 12:48:26
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* Greece exploring debt extension - newspapers
* Ta Nea says would be implemented in late 2011
* Outstanding debt could be extended by average of 5 years
* Greek Finance Ministry official dismisses reports
(Adds Finance Ministry denial)
ATHENS, April 22 (Reuters) - Greece is considering extending maturities on its sovereign debt to make it sustainable, two national newspapers said on Friday, joining a flurry of recent press reports outlining options for a possible restructuring.

Greek and EU officials have steadfastly denied a debt restructuring is planned, in the face of mounting evidence that markets are factoring one in.

A spokeswoman for the finance ministry was not immediately available for comment on Friday's reports.

The country's top-selling newspaper Ta Nea said without citing a source that the government was mulling "a velvet restructuring" that would include extending outstanding debt and a voluntary agreement with lenders to modify repayment terms.

Such a step would have to be taken before 2012, the newspaper said, but not before the expiry of the term of ECB chief Jean-Claude Trichet, who steps down at the end of October.

The Greek official in charge of the informal debt extension talks "seems to be" Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou and a technical team of advisers, the newspaper said without elaborating on with whom they were holding talks.

A Finance Ministry official contacted by Reuters dismissed the Nea report. Papaconstantinou on Wednesday reiterated that a debt extension or other restructuring was out of the question, adding that the country was still planning to return to the bond market by early 2012.

Papaconstantinou's statement came after a report in German daily Die Welt quoting an unnamed Greek minister as saying that restructuring was just a question of time. (news) The Greek government spokesman dismissed that report.

According to another report on Friday in Greek newspaper Isotimia, the government might seek to extend the maturities of its outstanding debt by an average of five years. This would happen after an agreement with its lenders, the newspaper said, citing unnamed government sources.

No final decision to propose such a solution has been taken and discussions were still at an informal level, Isotimia said.

The Finance Ministry official contacted by Reuters also denied the Isotimia report.

Greece has been shut out of financial markets in the wake of its debt crisis last year. Papaconstantinou said on Wednesday he considered Greece's debt -- expected to hit about 160 percent of GDP in 2012 -- "totally sustainable" and that restructuring was not an option.

But given the sheer size of the country's debt set against a continuing economic slump, markets are increasingly factoring in a restructuring.

Some 46 of 55 economists polled by Reuters in a survey published on Wednesday said they expected Greece would have to restructure its debt in the next two years, with a maturity extension the most likely option. (news)
Also on Wednesday, the cost of insuring Greek five-year government debt hit a record high of 1,275 basis points, meaning it cost 1.275 million euros to insure 10 million euros of debt -- more than Iceland's premium in 2008 when its financial system imploded.

Most European markets were closed on Friday for the Easter holiday. (Reporting by Harry Papachristou; Editing by John Stonestreet)
Keywords: GREECE DEBT/REPORTS
 
UPDATE 2-Greece may extend debt maturities - Greek press
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Reuters - 22/04/2011 12:48:26
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* Greece exploring debt extension - newspapers
* Ta Nea says would be implemented in late 2011
* Outstanding debt could be extended by average of 5 years
* Greek Finance Ministry official dismisses reports
(Adds Finance Ministry denial)
ATHENS, April 22 (Reuters) - Greece is considering extending maturities on its sovereign debt to make it sustainable, two national newspapers said on Friday, joining a flurry of recent press reports outlining options for a possible restructuring.

Greek and EU officials have steadfastly denied a debt restructuring is planned, in the face of mounting evidence that markets are factoring one in.

A spokeswoman for the finance ministry was not immediately available for comment on Friday's reports.

The country's top-selling newspaper Ta Nea said without citing a source that the government was mulling "a velvet restructuring" that would include extending outstanding debt and a voluntary agreement with lenders to modify repayment terms.

Such a step would have to be taken before 2012, the newspaper said, but not before the expiry of the term of ECB chief Jean-Claude Trichet, who steps down at the end of October.

The Greek official in charge of the informal debt extension talks "seems to be" Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou and a technical team of advisers, the newspaper said without elaborating on with whom they were holding talks.

A Finance Ministry official contacted by Reuters dismissed the Nea report. Papaconstantinou on Wednesday reiterated that a debt extension or other restructuring was out of the question, adding that the country was still planning to return to the bond market by early 2012.

Papaconstantinou's statement came after a report in German daily Die Welt quoting an unnamed Greek minister as saying that restructuring was just a question of time. (news) The Greek government spokesman dismissed that report.

According to another report on Friday in Greek newspaper Isotimia, the government might seek to extend the maturities of its outstanding debt by an average of five years. This would happen after an agreement with its lenders, the newspaper said, citing unnamed government sources.

No final decision to propose such a solution has been taken and discussions were still at an informal level, Isotimia said.

The Finance Ministry official contacted by Reuters also denied the Isotimia report.

Greece has been shut out of financial markets in the wake of its debt crisis last year. Papaconstantinou said on Wednesday he considered Greece's debt -- expected to hit about 160 percent of GDP in 2012 -- "totally sustainable" and that restructuring was not an option.

But given the sheer size of the country's debt set against a continuing economic slump, markets are increasingly factoring in a restructuring.

Some 46 of 55 economists polled by Reuters in a survey published on Wednesday said they expected Greece would have to restructure its debt in the next two years, with a maturity extension the most likely option. (news)
Also on Wednesday, the cost of insuring Greek five-year government debt hit a record high of 1,275 basis points, meaning it cost 1.275 million euros to insure 10 million euros of debt -- more than Iceland's premium in 2008 when its financial system imploded.

Most European markets were closed on Friday for the Easter holiday. (Reporting by Harry Papachristou; Editing by John Stonestreet)
Keywords: GREECE DEBT/REPORTS

Give, puoi trovare l'articolo originale di Ta Nea nelle pagine precedenti.
 
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