Obbligazioni societarie HIGH YIELD e oltre, verso frontiere inesplorate - Vol. 1

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che operazione hai fatto col venezuela?

avevo gia'chiuso da tempo con pdvsa e chachabond, volevo solo ricordare come un paese dato come sicuro default dal genio del condominio, sia riuscito a sovraperformare il resto del mondo, con una borsa che ha chiuso il 2011 con un 80% di rialzo (dato da epurare da svalutazione)

ho postato il capital gain per ricordare chi mantiene chi ad un erasmus in paese povero:-o
la possibilita'di shortare groupama e'stata data:-o
adesso pure quella piccola su wind :-o
 
avevo gia'chiuso da tempo con pdvsa e chachabond, volevo solo ricordare come un paese dato come sicuro default dal genio del condominio, sia riuscito a sovraperformare il resto del mondo, con una borsa che ha chiuso il 2011 con un 80% di rialzo (dato da epurare da svalutazione)
Anche Madoff e Mendella sovraperformavano... poi il brutto giorno in cui le nuove sottoscrizioni non hanno piu' coperto rimborsi ed interessi sono andati gambe all'aria. Puoi star tranquillo che il giorno in cui Chavez e Sawiris non troveranno piu' nuovi fessi a reggergli il gioco andranno gambe all'aria anche loro.
 
Sawiris poi e' un fatto galantuomo... :rolleyes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/telecoms/8999662/How-private-equity-plundered-profitable-Greek-telecoms-company-Hellas.html

Sawaris also merged Wind Hellas with a fixed line telecoms company in Greece called Tellas that he already owned. This netted Wind Hellas' parent with a windfall, but lumbered Hellas itself with even more debts. Tellas was also struggling operationally.
By the time Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008 Hellas was in trouble. In November, Tellas was making a €22m loss and investors were told Hellas had under-performed expectations, and that 2009 would see earnings flatten. The company also started an ill-fated price war that cost it dearly. S&P again downgraded the business but referenced the public declaration by Sawaris that Hellas' parent would guarantee additional capital if needed.
By April 2009, earnings had begun to nosedive but the company kept taking on more debt, which had ballooned to €3.21bn. Creditors were told the company would end 2009 with €18.7m of cash on its balance sheet. By May Hellas had started to take advice from Morgan Stanley about a rescue plan.
Morgan Stanley's "communication strategy" for the company was codenamed "Project Mist". Three months before the company issued a profits warning and launched a restructuring, Morgan Stanley advised Hellas to keep quiet about the possible extent of the liquidity emergency and relay different information to different groups of creditors.
The company has different legal obligations to private bank lenders than it does to bondholders that own publicly traded debt. Morgan Stanley also says that the company needed time to develop a proper restructuring plan and that it was not yet in a position to engage with creditors.
The presentation says that the first objective for the company is "minimiz[ing] investor distraction" while Hellas' parent was raising €2bn. This was for another Sawaris company: Wind Italy – part of the same Weather Group that owned Hellas – a strategy that has sparked accusations from bondholders that Morgan Stanley was culpable of misconduct, something they are understood to deny strongly.
After Wind Italy raised the €2bn bond, Hellas finally announced it wouldn't be able to pay its debts.
In a move described as "jurisdiction shopping" Hellas relocated its head office to London, allowing it to opt for a pre-pack administration. The UK's law allows companies to dip into administration, packaging off their debts and then be bought straight out.
In this case, as with many pre-packs, it was bought by the owner that presided over the company's collapse: Sawaris. A deal was made with senior lenders, but the junior bondholders were left nursing billions of euros in losses.
 
Sawiris poi e' un fatto galantuomo... :rolleyes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/telecoms/8999662/How-private-equity-plundered-profitable-Greek-telecoms-company-Hellas.html

Sawaris also merged Wind Hellas with a fixed line telecoms company in Greece called Tellas that he already owned. This netted Wind Hellas' parent with a windfall, but lumbered Hellas itself with even more debts. Tellas was also struggling operationally.
By the time Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008 Hellas was in trouble. In November, Tellas was making a €22m loss and investors were told Hellas had under-performed expectations, and that 2009 would see earnings flatten. The company also started an ill-fated price war that cost it dearly. S&P again downgraded the business but referenced the public declaration by Sawaris that Hellas' parent would guarantee additional capital if needed.
By April 2009, earnings had begun to nosedive but the company kept taking on more debt, which had ballooned to €3.21bn. Creditors were told the company would end 2009 with €18.7m of cash on its balance sheet. By May Hellas had started to take advice from Morgan Stanley about a rescue plan.
Morgan Stanley's "communication strategy" for the company was codenamed "Project Mist". Three months before the company issued a profits warning and launched a restructuring, Morgan Stanley advised Hellas to keep quiet about the possible extent of the liquidity emergency and relay different information to different groups of creditors.
The company has different legal obligations to private bank lenders than it does to bondholders that own publicly traded debt. Morgan Stanley also says that the company needed time to develop a proper restructuring plan and that it was not yet in a position to engage with creditors.
The presentation says that the first objective for the company is "minimiz[ing] investor distraction" while Hellas' parent was raising €2bn. This was for another Sawaris company: Wind Italy – part of the same Weather Group that owned Hellas – a strategy that has sparked accusations from bondholders that Morgan Stanley was culpable of misconduct, something they are understood to deny strongly.
After Wind Italy raised the €2bn bond, Hellas finally announced it wouldn't be able to pay its debts.
In a move described as "jurisdiction shopping" Hellas relocated its head office to London, allowing it to opt for a pre-pack administration. The UK's law allows companies to dip into administration, packaging off their debts and then be bought straight out.
In this case, as with many pre-packs, it was bought by the owner that presided over the company's collapse: Sawaris. A deal was made with senior lenders, but the junior bondholders were left nursing billions of euros in losses.

Sawiris (e non solo lui) sarebbe da impiccare per come ha gestito Wind Hellas. Ricordo che qualcuno ci aveva lasciato le penne su questi bond e veniva qui nel forum a raccomandare gli acquisti. Tuttavia, e per fortuna, Wind (quella italiana) non è più di Sawiris. Il problema di Wind, ma anche delle altre compagnie mobile, in Italia, si chiama B. Il caimano fino alle prossime elezioni farà in modo che la rete Lte non partirà, chiuderà ogni spazio possibile e immaginabile alla concorrenza alle sue reti Tv. :( La legge che deve rendere disponibili le frequenze (già assegnate), che prima del digitale terrestre erano occupate dalle TV tradizionali, giace in Parlamento e probabilmente morirà lì fino alla prossima legislatura. Qualcuno ne parla? qualche giornale dice qualcosa? Anzi, continuano ad approvare finanziamenti all'editoria... per farla tacere.
 
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