Obbligazioni valute high yield ISLANDA e Obbligazioni in ISK (2 lettori)

leodetti

Nuovo forumer
acquisto bond in isk

x lagonzaga
- visto che sei un dipendente mps puoi vedere se presso la tua banca dove lavori c'è carta x acquistare bond in isk tipo bei, ibrd, kfw ?
a me interesserebbe il kfw al 2017 xs0300735254 o qualcosa di simile a 7 o + anni. x questo ti ringrazio anticipatamente.

x lorixnt2
- non ci ho capito niente di quello che hai scritto oggi ore 10.17. traduci se puoi
 

lorixnt2

Hari Seldon's fan
x lagonzaga
- visto che sei un dipendente mps puoi vedere se presso la tua banca dove lavori c'è carta x acquistare bond in isk tipo bei, ibrd, kfw ?
a me interesserebbe il kfw al 2017 xs0300735254 o qualcosa di simile a 7 o + anni. x questo ti ringrazio anticipatamente.

x lorixnt2
- non ci ho capito niente di quello che hai scritto oggi ore 10.17. traduci se puoi

Ho presentato il problema dell'impasse degli investitori italiani nella sezione politica del loro forum principale. Naturalmente non è che ne abbiano moltissimi visto che sono 320.000 in tutto ma, attualmente, la loro attenzione è completamente monopolizzata dai problemi interni di povertà montante. Se comparirà qualche risposta significativa ve lo farò sapere. Ciao :)
 

leodetti

Nuovo forumer
puoi mettere il link x poter accedere alla sezione politica del forum principale degli investitori italiani o spiegare come possa accedervi.
grazie
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Fatta la domanda in inglese nel loro forum politico principale. Buon output di due risposte generiche ma, per ora, sono troppo occupati dalla povertà montante e da queste 1100 famiglie (poco più del 10% della popolazione) che necessitano ora di un equivalente del food stamp.
Se comparirà qualcos'altro ve lo farò sapere.

Che tu sappia, ci sono forum di investitori islandesi ? Quasi quasi mi iscrivo a quello che hai indicato e chiedo a loro... ;)

Sullo stato di avanzamento della vicenda Icesave sarebbe interessante sapere. A me risulta ancora un capitolo bloccato.
 

lorixnt2

Hari Seldon's fan
Che tu sappia, ci sono forum di investitori islandesi ? Quasi quasi mi iscrivo a quello che hai indicato e chiedo a loro... ;)

Sullo stato di avanzamento della vicenda Icesave sarebbe interessante sapere. A me risulta ancora un capitolo bloccato.

Sono un popolo molto "chiuso a riccio" mark. A volte credo che mi abbiano dato la registrazione laggiù per sbaglio perché un mio amico che ci aveva provato dopo per motivi linguistici su mia indicazione non ha cavato un ragno da un buco. Non l'hanno registrato e basta for some reason. Se provi a registrarti e ti prendono fai un favore anche a me figurati :). Se non ti prendessero posso provare a chiedere qualcosa io su vostra indicazione :). Forum specificamente economici non me ne constano ma è vero che non ne ho neppure cercati. Per quanto io sappia il principale è quello.
 

Gaudente

Forumer storico
Qui si sogna....

...state a dar retta ai deliri di chi vede la corona tornare alla convertibilita' , ma nel mentre la realta' e' ben diversa ... ecco giusto un pezzo di Bloomberg per farvi tornare coi piedi per terra
Icelandic Debt Relief Saga Forces `New Ethics' on Government - Bloomberg

Iceland’s first female Prime Minister, Johanna Sigurdardottir, will present what may be the world’s biggest debt relief proposal next week, risking alienating the International Monetary Fund and bank creditors.
The 68-year-old is trying to prevent the 39 percent of households that are technically insolvent from losing their homes. She was forced to back down from proposals requiring lenders to forgive $2 billion in mortgage debt -- 15 percent of Iceland’s economic output -- after pension funds blocked them. Now she’s looking for other ways to help families reeling from last year’s 20 percent drop in incomes.
The premier “has taken over the task of literally resurrecting Iceland from the ruins of collapse,” she said in an e-mailed response to questions. “It’s demanded a new modus operandi -- new ethics.”
If she pulls off a resurrection, debt-ridden countries such as Greece and Portugal may look to the island for clues on how to rebuild their economies. If she fails, Iceland risks exacerbating unresolved creditor disputes that prevent it normalizing relations with the world or rebuilding international investor ties essential to growth.
“It will become unbearable for the government to hold on to power if it fails,” said Birgir Gudmundsson, a professor in political science at the University of Akureyri in Iceland’s north, in an interview.
Economic Wreckage
Iceland’s banking failure two years ago precipitated an economic meltdown that forced the resignation of former Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde. On Sept. 28, he became the world’s first political leader to be indicted for economic mismanagement since the credit crisis started.
The economy, the world’s fifth-richest per capita as recently as 2007, contracted 6.8 percent last year and shrank an annual 8.4 percent in the second quarter.
The IMF, which is leading the country’s $4.6 billion loan, estimates 63 percent of the island’s loans to households and businesses are non-performing. On Oct. 4, about 8,000 Icelanders took to the streets to voice their grievances in the island’s biggest protests since it was engulfed by the financial crisis.
The government responded with crisis talks and promises to help families unable to service their debts. While Sigurdardottir on Oct. 19 backed away from initial proposals to write down 20 percent of all mortgage debt, she says she hasn’t given up on her goal of delivering broad debt relief.
Not Allowed
The IMF won’t be “allowed” to block her efforts, even if the government becomes more indebted, she said on Oct. 8
To help families, her government is pushing a bill that will allow bankrupts to walk away from their debts after two years. Her administration on Oct. 22 also presented a foreign- lending bill that will reduce each household’s debt burden by $13,500 on average, leaving lenders liable for the impact of currency losses. She extended by five months a moratorium on foreclosures, breaching the country’s IMF agreement.
Sigurdardottir said on Nov. 2 she hopes to present a debt relief proposal next week. She may find it difficult to reach a compromise that satisfies the country’s biggest interest groups. The lobby group representing homeowners says it won’t back down from its demands that lenders write off about 20 percent of their mortgage debt.
“We haven’t been willing to declare that we’d approve anything else,” said Fridrik O. Fridriksson, chairman of the Interest Group of the Homes, in a Nov. 1 interview.
No Write-Down
At the same time, the pension funds say they won’t accept debt relief terms that deplete the value of their mortgage investments.
“We’ve been clear that the rules of the pension funds don’t allow for a general write-down of debts,” said Hrafn Magnusson, managing director of the Icelandic Pension Funds Association, in an interview.
The failure of Kaupthing Bank hf, Glitnir Bank hf and Landsbanki Islands hf in October 2008 left creditors wondering how to recoup $86 billion in loans to the banks that have yet to be repaid. By contrast, the island’s 2009 gross domestic product was $13 billion.
The financial system remains too weak for the central bank to consider removing capital controls, Governor Mar Gudmundsson said yesterday. His bank will push back by at least three months plans to start easing currency restrictions needed to shield the krona.
Iceland’s government debt is ranked “junk” at Fitch Ratings, while Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s give the sovereign their lowest investment grade. Moody’s says mortgage relief measures that swell government debt would hurt Iceland’s rating.
Goodwill Eroded
Rising household debt burdens, deteriorating economic indicators and a failure to reach settlement with Iceland’s creditors have eroded some of Sigurdardottir’s goodwill with voters.
Support for her Social Democrat, Left Green coalition slipped to 30 percent in an October opinion poll by Capacent Gallup, compared with the 51 percent of the vote it received in the April 2009 general election.
“Her great success is to be the first woman prime minister in Iceland and the leader of the first real left wing government,” said Eirikur Bergmann, a professor of political science at Bifrost University outside Reykjavik. “Her failure is that she hasn’t been able to keep the government on the same track or find a suitable solution for the dept burden of normal households.”

Questi stanno a scannarsi tra mutuatari (che chiedono la cancellazione del 20% del debito per non vedersi pignorate le case) e fondi pensione (che si oppongono in quanto non potrebbero piu' pagare le pensioni) e vi illudete che trovino le risorse per convertirvi i non mi ricordo piu' quanti miliardi di coronacce depositate all'estero ?
Tra gli altri spunti interessanti dell'articolo , si noti la contrazione del PIL dell'8,4% nel secondo trimestre 2010 e la percentuale dei crediti in sofferenza al 63%
 

lorixnt2

Hari Seldon's fan
...state a dar retta ai deliri di chi vede la corona tornare alla convertibilita' , ma nel mentre la realta' e' ben diversa ... ecco giusto un pezzo di Bloomberg per farvi tornare coi piedi per terra
Icelandic Debt Relief Saga Forces `New Ethics' on Government - Bloomberg

Iceland’s first female Prime Minister, Johanna Sigurdardottir, will present what may be the world’s biggest debt relief proposal next week, risking alienating the International Monetary Fund and bank creditors.
The 68-year-old is trying to prevent the 39 percent of households that are technically insolvent from losing their homes. She was forced to back down from proposals requiring lenders to forgive $2 billion in mortgage debt -- 15 percent of Iceland’s economic output -- after pension funds blocked them. Now she’s looking for other ways to help families reeling from last year’s 20 percent drop in incomes.
The premier “has taken over the task of literally resurrecting Iceland from the ruins of collapse,” she said in an e-mailed response to questions. “It’s demanded a new modus operandi -- new ethics.”
If she pulls off a resurrection, debt-ridden countries such as Greece and Portugal may look to the island for clues on how to rebuild their economies. If she fails, Iceland risks exacerbating unresolved creditor disputes that prevent it normalizing relations with the world or rebuilding international investor ties essential to growth.
“It will become unbearable for the government to hold on to power if it fails,” said Birgir Gudmundsson, a professor in political science at the University of Akureyri in Iceland’s north, in an interview.
Economic Wreckage
Iceland’s banking failure two years ago precipitated an economic meltdown that forced the resignation of former Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde. On Sept. 28, he became the world’s first political leader to be indicted for economic mismanagement since the credit crisis started.
The economy, the world’s fifth-richest per capita as recently as 2007, contracted 6.8 percent last year and shrank an annual 8.4 percent in the second quarter.
The IMF, which is leading the country’s $4.6 billion loan, estimates 63 percent of the island’s loans to households and businesses are non-performing. On Oct. 4, about 8,000 Icelanders took to the streets to voice their grievances in the island’s biggest protests since it was engulfed by the financial crisis.
The government responded with crisis talks and promises to help families unable to service their debts. While Sigurdardottir on Oct. 19 backed away from initial proposals to write down 20 percent of all mortgage debt, she says she hasn’t given up on her goal of delivering broad debt relief.
Not Allowed
The IMF won’t be “allowed” to block her efforts, even if the government becomes more indebted, she said on Oct. 8
To help families, her government is pushing a bill that will allow bankrupts to walk away from their debts after two years. Her administration on Oct. 22 also presented a foreign- lending bill that will reduce each household’s debt burden by $13,500 on average, leaving lenders liable for the impact of currency losses. She extended by five months a moratorium on foreclosures, breaching the country’s IMF agreement.
Sigurdardottir said on Nov. 2 she hopes to present a debt relief proposal next week. She may find it difficult to reach a compromise that satisfies the country’s biggest interest groups. The lobby group representing homeowners says it won’t back down from its demands that lenders write off about 20 percent of their mortgage debt.
“We haven’t been willing to declare that we’d approve anything else,” said Fridrik O. Fridriksson, chairman of the Interest Group of the Homes, in a Nov. 1 interview.
No Write-Down
At the same time, the pension funds say they won’t accept debt relief terms that deplete the value of their mortgage investments.
“We’ve been clear that the rules of the pension funds don’t allow for a general write-down of debts,” said Hrafn Magnusson, managing director of the Icelandic Pension Funds Association, in an interview.
The failure of Kaupthing Bank hf, Glitnir Bank hf and Landsbanki Islands hf in October 2008 left creditors wondering how to recoup $86 billion in loans to the banks that have yet to be repaid. By contrast, the island’s 2009 gross domestic product was $13 billion.
The financial system remains too weak for the central bank to consider removing capital controls, Governor Mar Gudmundsson said yesterday. His bank will push back by at least three months plans to start easing currency restrictions needed to shield the krona.
Iceland’s government debt is ranked “junk” at Fitch Ratings, while Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s give the sovereign their lowest investment grade. Moody’s says mortgage relief measures that swell government debt would hurt Iceland’s rating.
Goodwill Eroded
Rising household debt burdens, deteriorating economic indicators and a failure to reach settlement with Iceland’s creditors have eroded some of Sigurdardottir’s goodwill with voters.
Support for her Social Democrat, Left Green coalition slipped to 30 percent in an October opinion poll by Capacent Gallup, compared with the 51 percent of the vote it received in the April 2009 general election.
“Her great success is to be the first woman prime minister in Iceland and the leader of the first real left wing government,” said Eirikur Bergmann, a professor of political science at Bifrost University outside Reykjavik. “Her failure is that she hasn’t been able to keep the government on the same track or find a suitable solution for the dept burden of normal households.”

Questi stanno a scannarsi tra mutuatari (che chiedono la cancellazione del 20% del debito per non vedersi pignorate le case) e fondi pensione (che si oppongono in quanto non potrebbero piu' pagare le pensioni) e vi illudete che trovino le risorse per convertirvi i non mi ricordo piu' quanti miliardi di coronacce depositate all'estero ?
Tra gli altri spunti interessanti dell'articolo , si noti la contrazione del PIL dell'8,4% nel secondo trimestre 2010 e la percentuale dei crediti in sofferenza al 63%


Sono complessivamente d'accordo con te Gau ma, al limite, io che son stonato, imparerò a cantare * :-o :d:

* chi vive sperando muore cantando
 

lorixnt2

Hari Seldon's fan
Comunque, pur d'accordo con quello che hai fatto rilevare, ci sarebbe forse un comune interesse sia da parte di chi detiene le coronacce in conti nella migliore delle ipotesi infruttiferi che da parte di chi emette titoli in quella valuta con emissioni non sempre coperte che, nonostante la eventuale inconvertibilità, almeno sul piano del trading di bonds governativi ci fosse una domanda che può incontrare un'offerta. O no? :)

Edit: un'altra cosa, se non ti spiace provo più tardi a riportare questa bloomberg nel loro forum tanto ho il sospetto che l'unico che mi si fila sia un non islandese molto più esperto di me nella lingua (un certo numero di nordici e canadesi lo sono per varie ragioni). Se mi bannano amen :)
 
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acro26

Nuovo forumer
Corona Islandese - La Banca Centrale islandese ha tagliato il tasso di
riferimento di 75 bps, portandolo al 5,50%. L'economia del Paese sta ancora
soffrendo per il crollo del sistema bancario e mantiene un alto livello di
indebitamento, a fronte del quale la crescita rimane debole. Le esportazioni
sono in lenta ripresa ma fortemente limitate dal controllo sui movimenti dei
capitali, anche se dai commenti della Sedlabanki emerge l'intenzione di
allentare questi vincoli permettendo in un prossimo futuro di scambiare le
corone detenute all'estero contro attività estere detenute dai residenti e di
investire in specifici progetti a lungo termine
 

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