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SNS Wipeout Escalating Senior-Bond Loss Risk: Corporate Finance

2013-02-06 00:01:00.6 GMT

The Dutch government’s unprecedented expropriation of SNS Reaal NV’s subordinated debt is igniting
investor concern that European regulators will impose losses on
senior bondholders in other failed banks.
About 900 million euros ($1.2 billion) of the Utrecht,
Netherlands-based lender’s debt securities were taken when it
was nationalized last week. That’s the first time European
authorities have immediately wiped out holders of dated
subordinated bonds of a bailed-out bank, according to data
compiled by Bloomberg.
Germany, the Netherlands and Finland want to accelerate
European Union plans to force losses on senior bondholders of
failing banks, three government officials said yesterday.
Investors are now watching Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena SpA,
which asked the Italian government for a second bailout. The
cost to protect against losses from the Siena-based lender’s
senior bonds rose 30 percent to a four-month high of 606 basis
points in the past week, data compiled by Bloomberg show.
“There’s an evolution going on that is eventually going to
involve senior debt,” said Steve Hussey, a credit analyst in
London at AllianceBernstein Ltd., which manages $430 billion.
“It was quite shocking that subordinated debt was written off
with zero recovery as a way of sharing the pain.”

Mandatory Coupons

Before the financial crisis, investors viewed the type of
dated subordinated debt seized by the Netherlands as equivalent
to senior bonds, except in a default, because the securities had
mandatory coupon payments protected by an issuer’s layer of
capital. Bank collapses since the credit crisis are spurring
regulators to find ways of imposing losses on bondholders, even
as they bail out the lenders.
Regulators, meeting through the Bank for International
Settlements, are calling for measures to be in place from 2018.
Germany, the Netherlands and Finland, three of the AAA
rated states in the 17-nation euro area, called last week for
regulators to gain so-called bail-in powers, said three
government officials, who asked not to be named because the
talks are private.
While governments have impaired the capital securities of
lenders in previous rescues, the outright transfer of ownership
of the SNS dated subordinated bonds is “unprecedented, at least
in Europe,” said Nick Hill, an analyst at Moody’s Investors
Service in Paris.

Financial Strength

SNS’s senior rating was cut to Ba2, two levels below
investment grade, by Moody’s on Jan. 31 and the firm said it may
downgrade the bank again. On Feb. 4, the New York-based company
reduced SNS’s dated subordinated debt rating to C, the lowest
junk grade, from Caa3 after the nationalization. Standard &
Poor’s grades SNS’s senior debt at BBB-, the lowest investment
grade.
Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem told Parliament
Feb. 1 all debt of European banks, including senior notes,
should be available to cushion losses. The Netherlands’ central
bank warned against the move this time because it risks curbing
funding to the nation’s other lenders and because the government
didn’t want to pre-empt the BIS-led talks, he said.
“It’s a relatively aggressive rhetoric that the Dutch
government is using,” said Hill at Moody’s. “Given the finance
minister’s role as president of the Eurogroup of finance
ministers, that’s something that may have broader
implications.”

Bank Debt

The cost of insuring against losses on senior bank debt
rose after the SNS nationalization was announced. The Markit
iTraxx Financial Index of credit-default swaps on the senior
debt of 25 European banks and insurers has since climbed nine
basis points to 155 basis points.
Imposing partial losses on subordinated debt in bank
failures isn’t new. The U.K. changed the law to turn Bradford &
Bingley Plc’s dated notes with mandatory coupons into undated
securities with optional interest payments when the property
lender collapsed in 2009.
The Irish government gave holders of similarly ranked
instruments of its banks the choice of accepting a buyback at a
fraction of face value or being wiped out.

Bolster Capital

The takeover of SNS, the fourth-biggest Dutch lender and
designated by the government as too big to fail, is costing
taxpayers 3.7 billion euros in write-offs and capital
injections, as well as loans and guarantees of 6.1 billion
euros. The bank, which acquired ABN Amro Holding NV’s property-
finance unit in 2006, has been hurt by losses on real estate
loans that left it struggling to bolster capital and repay an
earlier government bailout before a deadline.
“People were shocked by how quickly it came to
nationalization, which wasn’t viewed as an immediate threat,”
said Simon Adamson, an analyst at CreditSights Inc. in London.
“The losses at SNS will probably turn out to be bigger than
anticipated, otherwise a capital injection with a bond buyback
and a restructuring might have been enough.”
The Netherlands gave bondholders 10 days to appeal against
their treatment. There’s likely to be zero repayment if the
government claims SNS would have gone bankrupt without its
intervention, said Adamson.
“European governments are still unwilling to force losses
on senior bondholders,” he said. “But we all know which way
things are heading.”

 
By Sara Webb
AMSTERDAM, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Subordinated bondholders in SNS Reaal <SR.AS> plan to challenge the nationalisation of the Dutch banking and insurance group, angered - like shareholders - by a move that will wipe out their investments.
The 10-billion-euro ($13.6 billion) rescue on Friday of the Netherlands' fourth-largest financial services group, has infuriated taxpayers, shareholders and some bondholders who are partly footing the bill.
The government said the rescue package, which follows a much smaller bailout in 2008, was necessary to prevent SNS Reaal's collapse under the weight of property loan losses and to shore up confidence in the financial system after a private investor-led rescue failed. [nL5N0B11LP]
The Netherlands used a new law known as the intervention act to expropriate SNS Reaal's shares, subordinated debt and some hybrid securities, but not the senior debt and covered bonds.
Frans Faas, an activist investor, has set up a foundation to represent the interests of subordinated debt holders - whose securities had a total face value of about 1.8 billion euros - and to challenge the decision to nationalise SNS Reaal.
He said other investors had joined the campaign but declined to say how many or to provide names.
Faas told Reuters he would appeal to the Council of State, the body which advises the government and parliament on legislation and issues of governance, and questioned whether another solution could have been found for SNS Reaal that would not have wiped out shareholders and some debt holders.
"Shareholders and bond holders were not properly informed about the situation at SNS Reaal," he said.
"We were not given an opportunity to consider an alternative to nationalisation. They (SNS Reaal) could have done a rights issue or postponed interest payments instead."
The Dutch Association of Shareholders, or VEB, has also said it plans to challenge the nationalisation.
Faas questioned the size of the property losses cited by the government in its decision to nationalise, which were larger than previous estimates given by the company, and criticised finance minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem's decision to make some bond holders and the Dutch banks share the cost of the rescue, saying he was playing to public opinion.
There is little public enthusiasm for another expensive bailout at a time of tight public finances and several rounds of austerity measures.
The government paid out nearly 40 billion euros to rescue the domestic financial sector in 2008 when it provided capital injections for ING <ING.AS> , Aegon <AEGN.AS> and SNS Reaal, as well as nationalising ABN AMRO [ABNNL.UL] .
Dijsselbloem said on Sunday he would look at whether those responsible for the mismanagement of SNS Reaal could be held accountable. [nL5N0B345G]
Last month, SNS Reaal said former clients of its property finance arm were being investigated by the country's tax and financial crimes agency, but gave no details. [nL6N0AR621]
The finance minister on Friday put the initial cost of nationalisation at 3.7 billion euros, saying SNS Reaal would receive a capital injection of 2.2 billion euros, and a further 1.5 billion euros to write down state aid and property assets.
The state is providing 1.1 billion euros in loans, and 5 billion euros in guarantees. But in an effort to share the burden with the private sector, Dutch banks will have to contribute 1 billion euros to the rescue in 2014.
 
in tutta questa vicenda c'è un problema molto particolare: l'espropriazione non può avere ad oggetto le obbligazioni in quanto queste rappresentano un diritto di credito. Oggetto deve essere un bene patrimoniale; ho sentito anche il parere di due esperti (un avvocato e un magistrato) che concordano. Se così fosse l'esproprio sarebbe nullo relativamente a tutte le classi obbligazionarie. Mi parrebbe un punto da approfondire.

puoi vederla come una CESSIONE DI CREDITO.....coatta
 
puoi vederla come una CESSIONE DI CREDITO.....coatta

da un punto di vista giuridico non regge sarebbe un colabrodo, delle due l'una o sono tutti già d'accordo e fanno solo un teatrino oppure se la magistratura e la UE mostreranno indipendenza effettiva allora questa nazionalizzazione deve essere pesantemente riformata
 
Ad ogni modo stiamo attenti a non "calare le braghe" appena arriva l'offerta !!

Io ho solo LT2 e quindi sono certamente di parte, ma se per assurdo dovessero offrire 30 a tutti è ovvio che può andare bene ai possessori di perpetual, ma non a me :no:

Ci dovrà pur essere una correlazione tra il valore di mercato, prima della porcata e l'eventuale conguaglio......
O no ?? :mumble:
 

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