Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti

[johnny1982]

Ciao, sì..ne abbiamo parlato qualche pagina fa..facendo notare che le raccomandate sono state spedite il giorno 12 febbraio, cioè quello dopo la scadenza del termine per il ricorso. Mahhhh

Penso sia importante la data di ricevimento piu che quella di spedizione ma entrambe sono fuori tempo

Comunque va beh ...

 

[johnny1982]

noi di Antonveneta siamo molto più ricchi questa sera 15,.... cosa dite, vado a far festa in disco?

A noi su binck 0.001 siamo poveri..

 

[claudioborghi]

Intanto sul forum olandese stanno cominciando a domandarsi delle conseguenze dell' "insano gesto"

I was here just as thinking about it, and a range of options, claims, loss of face, fall of Cabinet etc pulled at my grey matter over.
Someone who has a roadmap??????

 

[Cat XL]

Intanto sul forum olandese stanno cominciando a domandarsi delle conseguenze dell' "insano gesto"

I was here just as thinking about it, and a range of options, claims, loss of face, fall of Cabinet etc pulled at my grey matter over.
Someone who has a roadmap??????

Puoi metetre il link del forum?

Grazie

 

[reef]

SRLEV non è al sicuro

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The hybrid bonds SRLEV, the insurance arm of SNS (SR.AE), may still be affected by two setbacks in the short term, Moody's warned Tuesday. The rating agency expects in those cases only limited losses.

The first possible drawback is that the European Commission imposes a postponement of interest payments, because the insurance indirectly share the benefits of the nationalization and in the context of 'burden sharing' should share in the costs.

With the nationalization were only subordinated bondholders of SNS Bank and SNS holding expropriated and remained that of SRLEV outside shot.

The European Commission (EC) Thursday will be expected to give preliminary approval to the nationalization of 1 February.

Less likely calls Moody's the possibility that the Dutch government enforces a debt swap, as happened with the nationalization of ASR, the former Fortis Insurance. Institutional investors were forced to a quarter of the value return through an exchange of securities.

A third option is that the EC SNS prohibits the hybrid SRLEV bonds to be redeemed at the next opportunity. It is a hybrid bond of EUR400 million, maturing in 2041 and interim maturity date in 2021, and a perpetual of CHF105 million with a maturity date in mid 2016.

The rating agency also outlines three future scenarios for the financial group SNS.

In the former, life insurance and pension company Swiss Life sold separately. This would be negative for SRLEV bonds, because a weakened insurance arm would remain. Partial sale of the insurance may be a requirement of the European Commission, says Moody's.

In the second scenario, the entire insurance business was separated from the under-capitalized banking division and later sold. This is beneficial for the credit. A merger with other state insurer ASR would also be good for the bondholders, set the security's MOODY analysts. One problem is that the double leverage in the financial group must first be repaid so that in this scenario, additional capital is needed.

In the third scenario, SNS bank-insurer, without the real estate. This would be negative for the creditworthiness of the SRLEV bonds, says Moody's, due to the risk profile of the bank, although it is expected to improve.

 

[Cat XL]

SRLEV non è al sicuro

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The hybrid bonds SRLEV, the insurance arm of SNS (SR.AE), may still be affected by two setbacks in the short term, Moody's warned Tuesday. The rating agency expects in those cases only limited losses.

The first possible drawback is that the European Commission imposes a postponement of interest payments, because the insurance indirectly share the benefits of the nationalization and in the context of 'burden sharing' should share in the costs.

With the nationalization were only subordinated bondholders of SNS Bank and SNS holding expropriated and remained that of SRLEV outside shot.

The European Commission (EC) Thursday will be expected to give preliminary approval to the nationalization of 1 February.

Less likely calls Moody's the possibility that the Dutch government enforces a debt swap, as happened with the nationalization of ASR, the former Fortis Insurance. Institutional investors were forced to a quarter of the value return through an exchange of securities.

A third option is that the EC SNS prohibits the hybrid SRLEV bonds to be redeemed at the next opportunity. It is a hybrid bond of EUR400 million, maturing in 2041 and interim maturity date in 2021, and a perpetual of CHF105 million with a maturity date in mid 2016.

The rating agency also outlines three future scenarios for the financial group SNS.

In the former, life insurance and pension company Swiss Life sold separately. This would be negative for SRLEV bonds, because a weakened insurance arm would remain. Partial sale of the insurance may be a requirement of the European Commission, says Moody's.

In the second scenario, the entire insurance business was separated from the under-capitalized banking division and later sold. This is beneficial for the credit. A merger with other state insurer ASR would also be good for the bondholders, set the security's MOODY analysts. One problem is that the double leverage in the financial group must first be repaid so that in this scenario, additional capital is needed.

In the third scenario, SNS bank-insurer, without the real estate. This would be negative for the creditworthiness of the SRLEV bonds, says Moody's, due to the risk profile of the bank, although it is expected to improve.

Certo che se vendono SRLEV e non ci danno un centesimo bisognerebbe andare in Olanda e fare un attentato stile libanese.

 

[ferdo]

Certo che se vendono SRLEV e non ci danno un centesimo bisognerebbe andare in Olanda e fare un attentato stile libanese.

Già il fatto ke non siano state espropriate grida vendetta

Per il semtex mettiamoci d'accordo

 

[NoWay]

Penso sia importante la data di ricevimento piu che quella di spedizione ma entrambe sono fuori tempo

Comunque va beh ...

Mi sa che ora a far fede è la data di spedizione... almeno per le cartelle ex-ICI è così.

 

[ferdo]

Mi sa che ora a far fede è la data di spedizione... almeno per le cartelle ex-ICI è così.

la notifica fa fede ... anche per Equitalia

PS leggevo che il ricorso VEB ha sostanzialmente diversi punti in comune con quello presentato dagli "Italian bond holders"

 

[fidw99]

abn amro richiamerà alcuni bond t2

XS0221514879
XS0233907442
XS0233906550
XS0256778464
XS0233906121
XS0282833184
XS0267063435

i bond sono già saltati a 100

è finito il ban della ue

incredibile

i titoli erano stati opati, la banca è nazionalizzata e appena passato il ban della commissione su questi rimborsano a 100

in generale è positivo per il mercato dei sub, ma se pensiamo al trattamento dei sub di sns è una vera presa per il c.