Titoli di Stato Italia Trading Titoli di Stato III° (Gennaio 2010 - Dicembre 2011) (7 lettori)

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startre

Nuovo forumer
Ciao Prospero, come mai stai mettendo "fieno in cascina"? Prevedi uno storno? Anche io tra ieri e oggi mi sono "liberato" di bond corporate e bancari ma non per via di uno storno ma per il semplice motivo che ero in gain. E' anche vero che nel frattempo il Bund non riesce a sollevarsi dopo il "crollo" delle 18,30.....per cui si potrebbe ipotizzare qualche scenario a noi sconosciuto :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Fino alle 16 i bund salivano di 0,20- 0,40.
Sei sicuro di questo crollo delle 18,30???:-?
 

ilfolignate

Forumer storico
Ciao a tt.
Sono liquido al 100%, ho venduto btp marzo 21 due giorni fa, con un gain di 0,50 se resistevo avrei guadagnato molto di piu' ma pazienza.
Mi si pone il problema di dove mettere tutta la mia liquidita' in attesa di storno.
Cosa consigliate BOT? Obbliogazioni a breve scadenza? ma quali?
Mi date qualche ISIN per favore?
Non voglio fare conti deposito!

Il consiglio che ti posso dare è: girati intorno, guarda cosa offre il mercato e sopratutto NON andargli contro :up:

Qui non si danno ISIN a caso ma si fanno solo considerazioni sugli strumenti finanziari obbligazionari, nella fattispecie il thread è dedicato al trading dei TdS :up:
 

ilfolignate

Forumer storico
E che ne so perchè :D? Io non sono in grado di prevedere proprio niente, navigo a vista nella nebbia fitta :titanic:. Forse faccio così tanto per muovermi e poi perchè anche i piccoli gain mi piacciono ugualmente.
Stavo quasi per mettere un cippetto a 99,10 sul 41i ma poi ho rinunciato e oltretutto sarebbe stato inutile.

Piccoli gain crescono :up::lol::lol::lol:
 

argotone

il diversificatore
Fino alle 16 i bund salivano di 0,20- 0,40.
Sei sicuro di questo crollo delle 18,30???:-?
Ecco il grafico del Bund..come si puo' vedere il crollo c'e' ed e' bello tosto :)

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Un saluto a tutti gli amici di questo splendido thread
 

stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
Fino alle 16 i bund salivano di 0,20- 0,40.
Sei sicuro di questo crollo delle 18,30???:-?
se vogliamo essere pignoli dalle 18-05 ;18-10 alle 18-20.ero in diretta e mi sono visto lo spettacolo."fortuna" che il MOT era già chiuso :eek:perchè 60 tick in 10/15 minuti potrebbero far scendere i bond.credo più in mosse che noi non possiamo aspettarci o prevedere!buonasera :)
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stefanofabb

GAIN/Welcome
euro mts.indici di performance

Dati al:12-10-2010
Average
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Indice Valore Duration Coupon Maturity Yield
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EMTX 1-3 Y 156,28 2,00 4,30 2,09 1,71
EMTX 3-5 Y 169,43 3,80 3,94 4,10 2,18
EMTX 5-7 Y 177,91 5,57 4,01 6,27 2,68
EMTX 7-10 Y 180,74 7,07 4,23 8,32 3,20
EMTX 10-15 Y 183,81 9,28 4,76 12,03 3,77
EMTX +15 Y 200,11 14,67 5,07 23,69 3,74
EMTX Global 174,04 6,55 4,36 8,77 3,19
EMTXi 187,01 8,56 2,17 10,07 1,43
EMTX 15-25 Y 199,44 12,94 5,55 19,86 3,73
EMTX +25 Y 199,99 17,40 4,32 29,75 3,75
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* EMTX : EuroMTS Governement bond index
* EMTXi: EuroMTS Inflation linked index
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paziente

Forumer attivo
Ciao Prospero, come mai stai mettendo "fieno in cascina"? Prevedi uno storno? Anche io tra ieri e oggi mi sono "liberato" di bond corporate e bancari ma non per via di uno storno ma per il semplice motivo che ero in gain. E' anche vero che nel frattempo il Bund non riesce a sollevarsi dopo il "crollo" delle 18,30.....per cui si potrebbe ipotizzare qualche scenario a noi sconosciuto :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Il motivo potrebbe esser questo
notizia delle 18.35 su WSI

Weber (Bce) contro la Fed: basta con i mercati a tasso zero
La Banca Centrale Europea comincia a seguire una politica diversa dal quella perseguita dai colleghi della Federal Reserve negli Stati Uniti. Secondo il n. 1 della Bundesbank, la Bce non deve rinviare troppo l'exit strategy dalle misure di sostegno all'economia. Motivo: i rischi di uscita ritardata sono maggiori di quelli di un'uscita anticipata.
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Berlusconi Long Yields Penalized Before 30-Year Debt Auction: Euro Credit

By Anchalee Worrachate and Andrew Davis - Oct 13, 2010 1:00 AM GMT+0200 Tue Oct 12 23:00:01 GMT 2010


Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s longest-term bonds yield almost as much as Spain’s even though Italy’s deficit is less than half, a sign Europe’s debt crisis has created relative bargains for fixed-income investors.
Italy, which plans to sell as much as 2 billion euros ($2.8 billion) of 30-year securities tomorrow, is being penalized with interest rates of 4.7 percent for the bonds, just below Spain’s 4.85 percent. Italy’s 30-year debt yields 1.9 percentage points more than comparable German bunds.

Italian bonds rose more than 1 percent in the past month as investors bet the country will cut its deficit faster than other so-called peripheral nations that also suffered a surge in borrowing costs following Greece’s near default in May. Italy’s economy is growing, helping reduce a budget gap that stands at 5.3 percent of gross domestic product, or less than half that of Spain, Ireland and Greece.

“I don’t see what the risk is in Italy,” said Steve Mansell, director of interest-rate strategy at Citigroup Inc. in London. “If investors are still minded to search for yield, then Italy is probably a prime choice.”
Italy is auctioning 30-year bonds following gains in short- term debt after the Federal Reserve signaled it may take emergency steps to shore up the U.S. economy. The advance steepened the yield curve, or difference of short- and long-term bond yields. The spread between 10- and 30-year Italian bonds rose to 98 basis points from 82 basis points at the start of last month. The difference between two- and 10-year bonds rose 14 basis points to 304 basis points in the same period.

‘Ultra-Long’

“We see Italian 30-year debt as representing the best value among the ultra-long bonds being sold this week,” said Padhraic Garvey, head of developed market strategy at ING Groep NV in Amsterdam, referring to auctions by the Netherlands, Japan and the U.S. “Italian bond spreads were dragged higher because it’s seen as part of the peripheral market, and yet their fundamentals are stronger than Spain, Ireland or Portugal.”

The Netherlands yesterday sold 1.8 billion euros of bonds due 2042. The securities were priced to yield 2.913 percent, or almost 200 basis points less than similar-maturity Italian debt. Japan will sell 600 billion yen ($7.3 billion) of 30-year bonds tomorrow, followed by the Italian sale and the auction of $13 billion of U.S. Treasury bonds due 2040.
Given the lingering concerns about European debt and deficit levels, the relative value of 30-year Italian bonds to other debt on offer may not last.

IMF Forecast

“Our view is it’s probably a bit too early to say things are okay in the peripheral markets and Italian bonds will outperform across the board from here,” said Peter Schaffrik, head of European interest rate strategy at Royal Bank of Canada Europe Ltd. in London.
The International Monetary Fund raised its forecast this month for Italy’s 2010 economic growth to 1 percent from 0.9 percent, while predicting a 0.3 percent contraction for Spain.

Italian unemployment fell for a third month in September to 8.2 percent, compared with 13.7 percent in Ireland, 10.6 percent in Portugal and 20.1 percent in Spain, the highest in the euro region.
Italy’s debt was the largest in the euro region at 115.9 percent of GDP last year. It’s forecast to rise less than 3 percentage points this year. Greece’s debt load will jump to 130 percent from 115 percent to overtake Italy in 2010.

Debt Load

Spain’s deficit will boost its debt by almost 10 percentage points to 62.8 percent in 2010. Portugal has forecast its debt will climb by more than 7 percentage points to 83.5 percent.
Italy’s inflation rate of 1.8 percent is less the European Central Bank’s 2 percent target for the euro region, easing concern that rising prices will erode the value of the country’s long-term bonds. The Italian 30-year breakeven rate, a gauge of inflation expectations, was 212 basis points, down from a high of 279 basis points on May 19. The rate is derived from a spread between nominal and index-linked bonds of the same maturity.

Italian bonds with maturities of more than 10 years gained 1.2 percent in the past month, better than similar debt from AAA-rated issuers such as the U.S. and Netherlands.
“We’ve seen a bit of a shift in favor to the periphery over the last few sessions,” said Sean Maloney, fixed-income strategist at Nomura International Plc in London. “We might see some decent interest in Italy on the yield basis.”

Italian 30-year bonds are the cheapest among similar maturity debt on sale this week on a so-called asset-swap basis, ING’s Garvey said. If investors swap the fixed rate offered by the bonds into a floating rate, the security yields 190 basis points over libor, compared with 18.5 basis points for its Dutch counterpart and 7.2 basis points for Japanese bonds.
“Our in-house model suggests 30-year Italian bonds are offering around 100 basis points more than it should,” Garvey said. “The bond is undervalued.”

(Bloomberg)
 
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