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discipline

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Secondo me revocheranno tutto, cioè la nazione è alla canna del gas e questi continuano a pagare....
Mah

Hanno ripreso a febbraio e continuano a pagare per calcolo e non per generosità o beneficenza.. altrimenti non sarebbero remunerate neppure le preferred pubbliche.. la determinazione con cui viene perseguita la cancellazione delle sub serve proprio a eliminare questo onere, a dispetto della struttura del capitale..
 

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Welcome back !!!!

Fa veramente piacere leggerti!
:up::up::clap::clap::clap::party::band::band::band::tutti::invasion:
Adesso non scomparire per altri 5 mesi!!! :moglie:

ragazzi come va? io non sono piu' attivo sulle perpetue, penso di aver fatto una sola operazione da inizio anno (ma non ho venduto niente, tutto il portafoglio e' ancora li). Entro l'anno devo smobilizzare tutto il portafoglio per motivi fiscali quindi saro' poco attivo sugli acquisti....Nevertheless..sono appena (ri)entrato nella BNP 4.875 a 80.6 call ottobre...non costa niente provare. Probabilmente vendo GS 4.75 a 90.
 

camaleonte

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Innanzitutto, un ben tornato al buon Mais, poi un pò di prezzi:
Gerling...440 100,25 - 101; su questa ho iniziato a comprare a 101;
RWE...012 94 - 94,10 ; anche questa acquistata a 94,10 ;
BPVN...290 78 - 78,50 ;
Vattenfall...445 100,75 - 101 ;
Munich Re ...042 92,25 -92,50 ;
Hannover...901 94,03 - 94,38 ;
Generali...946 89,375 - 89,50 ;
AXA...174 70,25 -70,75 ;
Aegon...889 57,20 57,95 ;


Unipol xso130717134 96 - 96,4.
 

discipline

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idem :-R
mi manca ora Italease e Alpha Euribor che non sono ancora arrivate - ammesso che debbano arrivare :rolleyes:

certo che è una presa per il k..lo che paghino le cedole nell'imminenza di un'opa punitiva

Eccola... http://www.rns-pdf.londonstockexchange.com/rns/1151I_-2011-6-8.pdf
A una rapidissima occhiata, pienamente confermato quanto di negativo era stato anticipato

Nel frattempo:

A group of U.S. hedge funds with large stakes in the Bank of Ireland's subordinated debt is preparing to fight the government's proposed restructuring of €2.6 billion ($3.82 billion) in junior bonds.

The funds have formed an ad-hoc committee and hired Thomas Lauria, the head of White & Case LLP's restructuring practice and a veteran at bondholder activism, to represent them.

The group claims to control almost a third of the bonds, also called Tier 2 securities, Mr. Lauria said. Members of the committee, include Appaloosa Management, Marathon Asset Management, QVT Financial and Värde Partners, according to people familiar with the matter. Cerberus Capital Management also owns some of the subordinated bonds but is not a part of the ad hoc group, they said.

The group has offered an alternative plan in which they would directly invest equity in the bank, and get more for their bonds. They have received no response from management or the Irish Ministry of Finance, Mr. Lauria said.

"Here you have existing investors willing to sit down and discuss putting in capital themselves ... and the Bank of Ireland hasn't yet perused that option in any meaningful way," Mr. Lauria said.
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For Mr. Lauria, the Bank of Ireland workout marks a reprise of the battle he fought and lost in U.S. courts in 2009, when he represented lenders to Chrysler Automotive. The creditors opposed a government backed restructuring that included an 85% haircut for loan holders. The Chrysler case shows the difficulty distressed investors can face enforcing their rights in government-led restructurings.

This case differs, Mr. Lauria said, because the Bank of Ireland committee is willing to inject new capital into the bank. In Chrysler's bankruptcy, the U.S. government effectively nationalized the car manufacturer.
 
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discipline

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ma dall'Italia si potrà aderire o siamo esclusi?!
20% in azioni :p:p:p :wall::wall::wall:
Non ho ancora appurato, tanto prima di quello c'è il discorso del minimo nominale necessario per accedere allo scambio, ovvero per avere diritto a 50k di nuovi titoli. Al neo-moderatore l'onere del calcolo... :) Per ora mi pare che noi piccolini siamo fottuti al 90% (e senza interessi)...
 
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ferdo

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Non ho ancora appurato, tanto prima di quello c'è il discorso del minimo nominale necessario per accedere allo scambio, ovvero per avere diritto a 50k di nuovi titoli. Al neo-moderatore l'onere del calcolo... :) Per ora mi pare che noi piccolini siamo fottuti al 90% (e senza interessi)...

ah già avevo letto anche quello ma mi era passato di mente ...
sì bella clausola aggiuntiva
 

discipline

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Da questo ulteriore pdf: http://www.bankofireland.com/fs/doc...rs and Consent Solicitations 08 June 2011.pdf

Republic of Italy
None of the Offers, the Consent and Exchange Offer Memorandum or any other documents or materials relating to the
Offers have been or will be submitted to the clearance procedure of the Commissione Nazionale per le Società e la
Borsa ("CONSOB"), pursuant to applicable Italian laws and regulations.
The Exchange Offers are being carried out in Italy as exempted offers pursuant to article 101-bis, paragraph 3-bis of the
Legislative Decree No. 58 of 24 February 1998, as amended (the "Financial Services Act") and article 35-bis,
paragraph 3 and/or paragraph 4, letter b) of CONSOB Regulation No. 11971 of 14 May 1999, as amended (the "Issuers'
6
Regulation"), as the case may be. The Exchange Offers are also being carried out in compliance with article 35-bis,
paragraph 7, letter a) of the Issuers' Regulation.
A Holder located in Italy can participate in the Exchange Offers only if (i) the Existing Securities offered by it for exchange
have an aggregate nominal amount equal to or greater than €50,000 or (ii) it is a qualified investor (investitori qualificati),
as defined pursuant to Article 100, paragraph 1, letter (a) of the Financial Services Act and Article 34-ter, paragraph 1,
letter b) of the Issuers' Regulation (an "Eligible Italian Investor"). Accordingly, Holders located in Italy that do not qualify
as Eligible Italian Investors may not participate in the Exchange Offers and neither the Consent and Exchange Offer
Memorandum nor any other documents or materials relating to the Exchange Offers may be distributed or otherwise
made available to them.
Eligible Italian Investors can offer to exchange Existing Securities, through authorised persons (such as investment firms,
banks or financial intermediaries permitted to conduct such activities in the Republic of Italy in accordance with the
Financial Services Act, CONSOB Regulation No. 16190 of 29 October 2007, as amended from time to time, and
Legislative Decree No. 385 of September 1, 1993, as amended) and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations
or with requirements imposed by CONSOB or any other Italian authority.
 
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