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Madiba
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gipa69
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e che azzo uno chiede precisione e non sai dirmi di quale lunedì si parla ?
dai che mo te lo dico io ..... ehm ehm ehm l'ho detto a Gipa e ora non lo ricordo più ... GIIPPPPAAAA dillo tu ....
Allora se ricordo bene ehm ehm è il primo lunedì che viene dopo quel famoso venerdì nero, quello che ha marte in gemelli e giove a spasso per le stelle, quel lunedì per cui Nostradamus ha fatto la famosa terzina: cum presidentem nerum, nostrum kiulum si annerirà multiplitus.... quel lunedi di un giorno da cani insomma non ti ricordi!!
gipa69
collegio dei patafisici
gipa69
collegio dei patafisici
Purtroppo non è un periodo fortunato per problemi familiari, ieri non ho avuto in realtà molto tempo per seguire i mercati... avevo un sakko di lavoro da smazzare ed allora ho avuto modo di guardare i futuri USA nel pomeriggio e li vedo a meno 2,5%, purtroppo una telefonata mi disturba ma poi riprendo in mano i futuri e vedo -2,1% e mi convinco che una reazione da tali livelli ci deve stare e cosi ieri compro il solito Etf perchè sui futuri (perchè adesso è quasi ora di ritornare sui futuri) non riesco ad operare... ed oggi esco felice perchè pur non sapendo un cacchio ho gainato un barbon generoso... e alla faccia del mio oroscopo (sono leone ascendente sagittario) che mia moglie continua a propinarmi e che mi dice che devo stare attento alle finanze nella prima parte dell'anno, ho cominciato bene l'anno. e che il marmittone mi protegga!!
PS: dan mi ha mandato una partita di funghi allucinogeni avariata!
e alla faccia del mio oroscopo (sono leone ascendente sagittario) che mia moglie continua a propinarmi e che mi dice che devo stare attento alle finanze nella prima parte dell'anno, ho cominciato bene l'anno. e che il marmittone mi protegga!! PS: dan mi ha mandato una partita di funghi allucinogeni avariata!
generali1984
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buongiorno a tutti, ho rubato qs grafico ...
a che ora e a che giorno inizierà qs film ? mi raccomando di essere precisi
Bello , questo lo rubo pure io
quando il denaro passerà da merce offerta a merce richiesta
e le banche centrali che ora stanno scavando bene la fossa , dovranno riportare precipitosamente i tassi al rialzo per attrarre i capitali necessari a finanziare i deficit
ma per i tempi nin zo
che mi fa comodo potrei azzardare fine 2009 inizio 2010
in concomitanza con la fine del crollone dei valori di borsa ( mia gurata , o gufata ! )
e riflusso verso le azioni , per ora e finchè non c'è concorrenza stanno tranquilli
dicembre va bene ?
Metatarso
Forumer storico
quel grafico lasciatelo pure dov'èBello , questo lo rubo pure io
quando il denaro passerà da merce offerta a merce richiesta
e le banche centrali che ora stanno scavando bene la fossa , dovranno riportare precipitosamente i tassi al rialzo per attrarre i capitali necessari a finanziare i deficit
ma per i tempi nin zo
che mi fa comodo potrei azzardare fine 2009 inizio 2010
in concomitanza con la fine del crollone dei valori di borsa ( mia gurata , o gufata ! )
e riflusso verso le azioni , per ora e finchè non c'è concorrenza stanno tranquilli
dicembre va bene ?
E' evidente ormai da ottobre 2008 che le banche centrali hanno scelto un altra strada. Nella fattispecie, nel 29 ci fu anche "monetary deflation", perchè lasciarono fallire chi doveva fallire. Adesso no, altrimenti te ne saresti già accorto ad ottobre/novembre, sarebbero già saltate tutte le banche. Invece le Banche Centrali hanno scelto di sostenere con liquidità illimitata il sistema. Lo scenario è quindi completamente diverso.
Come dicevo giorni fa, il problema è solo la "asset deflation", che nemmeno le banche centrali possono governare completamente.
quicksilver
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grazie
(che quazzo però ... eh , è sempre più difficile ...)
chissà se anche il Fleu e Ditro hanno lo stesso problema
io uso quicktrade, mi sembra che tu parli del sito giusto?
Madiba
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Citigroup Reports $8.29 Billion Loss, Completing Worst Year
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By Bradley Keoun and Josh Fineman
Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc. posted an $8.29 billion fourth-quarter loss, completing its worst year, as the credit crisis eroded mortgage-bond prices and customers missed more loan payments.
The net loss of $1.72 a share compared with a loss of $9.8 billion, or $1.99, a year earlier, the New York-based company said in a statement today. The results included a $3.9 billion gain from the sale of a German consumer bank. Analysts, excluding the gain, estimated the company would report a loss of $1.08 a share, according to a survey by Bloomberg.
As Citigroup plunged 77 percent last year in New York trading, the bank was forced to accept $45 billion of U.S. government rescue funds. Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit agreed this week to cede control of the Smith Barney brokerage to Morgan Stanley. He also said today he plans to sell the CitiFinancial consumer-lending unit and Tokyo-based Nikko Asset Management Co..
“We view the divestiture of Smith Barney as a signal that conditions have materially weakened even from the lousy conditions that prevailed in late 2008,” CreditSights Inc. analyst David Hendler wrote in a Jan. 14 note to clients.
Citigroup fell 15 percent yesterday to $3.83 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, partly on speculation the bank’s shareholders may suffer if Citigroup has to seek more government money. Spokesman Mike Hanretta declined to comment on whether the bank is in discussions over an additional infusion.
Pandit’s Strategy
A dwindling capital cushion and sinking stock price forced the 52-year-old Pandit to abandon Citigroup’s decade-old strategy of providing investment advice alongside branch banking, stock underwriting and corporate lending. He’s shedding units to free up capital and save the bank from insolvency.
“They are going to try to home in on what’s worth something, and try and sell the pieces that they really can’t value,” Todd Colvin, vice president of MF Global Inc., said in a Bloomberg TV interview.
The bank also said its Primerica Financial Services, a Duluth, Georgia-based life insurance company, will no longer be considered among “core” operations, which include banking, securities underwriting, corporate lending and payment- processing businesses.
CitiFinancial and Primerica were both building blocks of the colossus that former CEO Sanford “Sandy” Weill assembled during a 17-year acquisition spree. The company solidified its strategy of serving corporate and individual clients around the world with a range of financial services in 1998, when Weill’s Travelers Group Inc. merged with John Reed’s Citicorp to form Citigroup Inc.
Joint Venture
Citigroup plans to put Smith Barney into a $21 billion joint venture and relinquish majority control to Morgan Stanley. The deal, which bolsters Citigroup’s capital base with a $5.8 billion pretax gain, came less than two months after Pandit told employees he didn’t want to sell the business.
The plan to cut off “non-core” businesses in a deteriorating economy may put the bank into a deeper hole, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst John McDonald wrote in a Jan. 14 report.
“It will likely be difficult for Citi to effectively dispose of assets and businesses in the current environment,” McDonald wrote. “Any new solution is likely to need an incremental infusion of common equity, either from the government, private investors or the public markets, any of which is likely to be dilutive to existing Citi shareholders.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Bradley Keoun in New York at [email protected]; Josh Fineman in New York at [email protected].
Last Updated: January 16, 2009 06:05 EST
Email | Print | A A A
By Bradley Keoun and Josh Fineman
Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc. posted an $8.29 billion fourth-quarter loss, completing its worst year, as the credit crisis eroded mortgage-bond prices and customers missed more loan payments.
The net loss of $1.72 a share compared with a loss of $9.8 billion, or $1.99, a year earlier, the New York-based company said in a statement today. The results included a $3.9 billion gain from the sale of a German consumer bank. Analysts, excluding the gain, estimated the company would report a loss of $1.08 a share, according to a survey by Bloomberg.
As Citigroup plunged 77 percent last year in New York trading, the bank was forced to accept $45 billion of U.S. government rescue funds. Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit agreed this week to cede control of the Smith Barney brokerage to Morgan Stanley. He also said today he plans to sell the CitiFinancial consumer-lending unit and Tokyo-based Nikko Asset Management Co..
“We view the divestiture of Smith Barney as a signal that conditions have materially weakened even from the lousy conditions that prevailed in late 2008,” CreditSights Inc. analyst David Hendler wrote in a Jan. 14 note to clients.
Citigroup fell 15 percent yesterday to $3.83 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, partly on speculation the bank’s shareholders may suffer if Citigroup has to seek more government money. Spokesman Mike Hanretta declined to comment on whether the bank is in discussions over an additional infusion.
Pandit’s Strategy
A dwindling capital cushion and sinking stock price forced the 52-year-old Pandit to abandon Citigroup’s decade-old strategy of providing investment advice alongside branch banking, stock underwriting and corporate lending. He’s shedding units to free up capital and save the bank from insolvency.
“They are going to try to home in on what’s worth something, and try and sell the pieces that they really can’t value,” Todd Colvin, vice president of MF Global Inc., said in a Bloomberg TV interview.
The bank also said its Primerica Financial Services, a Duluth, Georgia-based life insurance company, will no longer be considered among “core” operations, which include banking, securities underwriting, corporate lending and payment- processing businesses.
CitiFinancial and Primerica were both building blocks of the colossus that former CEO Sanford “Sandy” Weill assembled during a 17-year acquisition spree. The company solidified its strategy of serving corporate and individual clients around the world with a range of financial services in 1998, when Weill’s Travelers Group Inc. merged with John Reed’s Citicorp to form Citigroup Inc.
Joint Venture
Citigroup plans to put Smith Barney into a $21 billion joint venture and relinquish majority control to Morgan Stanley. The deal, which bolsters Citigroup’s capital base with a $5.8 billion pretax gain, came less than two months after Pandit told employees he didn’t want to sell the business.
The plan to cut off “non-core” businesses in a deteriorating economy may put the bank into a deeper hole, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst John McDonald wrote in a Jan. 14 report.
“It will likely be difficult for Citi to effectively dispose of assets and businesses in the current environment,” McDonald wrote. “Any new solution is likely to need an incremental infusion of common equity, either from the government, private investors or the public markets, any of which is likely to be dilutive to existing Citi shareholders.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Bradley Keoun in New York at [email protected]; Josh Fineman in New York at [email protected].
Last Updated: January 16, 2009 06:05 EST
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quel grafico lasciatelo pure dov'è
Nella fattispecie, nel 29 ci fu anche "monetary deflation", perchè lasciarono fallire chi doveva fallire. Adesso no, altrimenti te ne saresti già accorto ad ottobre/novembre, sarebbero già saltate tutte le banche. Invece le Banche Centrali hanno scelto di sostenere con liquidità illimitata il sistema. Lo scenario è quindi completamente diverso.
Come dicevo giorni fa, il problema è solo la "asset deflation", che nemmeno le banche centrali possono governare completamente.
Mi sembra che ci sia contraddizione in quel che dici ... spiegami meglio cosa intendi quando dici
il problema è solo la "asset deflation", che nemmeno le banche centrali possono governare completamente
grazie
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