Derivati USA: CME-CBOT-NYMEX-ICE Bund, T-bond, T-note, Crude,....(vietato ai minori di 75aa) (5 lettori)

spero.lo.0.15%

Forumer attivo
ditropan ha scritto:
salve gente ... e poi dicono perchè uno si inkazza di bestia !!!


... appena tornato .... mi spiegate come fà un'indice obbligazionario a guadagnare più di un'indice azionario ????


Tbond a +1,26% con nasdaq, DJ e S&P positivi !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


ciao a tutti e ciao andrea :)

andrea visto che tu sei ferrato in materia di t-bond e correlazioni con il bund..

oggi per la prima volta mi sono visto la quotazione del t-bond da stamattina ad adesso (anche se differita di 10 minuti )

una domanda anzi due :D

-quando il t-bond quotava 111.07/10 circa (vado un po' a spanne ) il bund
quotava 114.75/80 111.20/25 bund 114.90/5
t-bond 112.05 bund 115.10 cioe' 75 punti t-bond 15 punti bund :eek:

e' possibile ?

insomma mi ha dato l'impressione che dopo una certa quotazione non gliene freghi piu' di tanto

seconda domanda

ma anche il t- bond ha la figura da cento tick? perche' nel grafico le quotazioni andavano (quelle sulla dx) da 111.01 a 111.30 poi andavano addirittura a 112..boh ..anche perche' ho letto di fleu che parlava di 111.5625...

ultima..ma loro quotano ancora il t-bond settembre ?

ciao e grazie
domenico :)
 

gastronomo

Forumer storico
Treasuries jump, yields dive to five-month lows

Thu Sep 16, 2004 04:01 PM ET
(Adds fresh comments, updates prices)
By Pedro Nicolaci da Costa

NEW YORK, Sept 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury debt prices rallied on Thursday, knocking yields to five-months lows, as low inflation and soft manufacturing figures triggered a buying spree that took on a technical momentum of its own.

The benchmark 10-year note (US10YT=RR: Quote, Profile, Research) jumped 24/32 in price, driving yields through the recent floor of 4.13 percent to hit 4.07 percent, the lowest since early April.

"The shorts were forced to throw in the towel," said Gerald Lucas, chief Treasury and agency strategist at Banc of America Securities.

By late afternoon 10-year yields had inched back up to 4.08 percent, down from 4.16 percent on Wednesday.

The session's key servings of economic data painted a picture of tame consumer prices and slowing manufacturing growth, both beneficial for safe-haven government debt.

While the figures did not change expectations the Federal Reserve will raise rates at its meeting next week, they did fuel speculation the central bank might have to ease the pace of monetary tightening later on.

"The Fed is still going to stay on its measured course to at least 2 percent and after that it's up to the data," Lucas said. "And neither I nor the Fed can predict where the data is going to go."

The rally got a second wind after traders cleared a key level in the bond futures market, enticing momentum funds to bet on further gains. Talk also circulated that mortgage players keen to hedge against prepayment risk were also dipping their toes in the market.

Yields on two-year notes (US2YT=RR: Quote, Profile, Research) dropped to 2.42 percent from 2.49 percent on Wednesday, while the gap between them and 10-year yields narrowed to 166 basis points, the lowest levels since September 2001.

Five-year notes (US5YT=RR: Quote, Profile, Research) climbed 13/32, lowering their yield to 3.29 percent from 3.38 percent. The 30-year bond (US30YT=RR: Quote, Profile, Research) leaped 1-6/32 in price, taking its yield to 4.88 percent from 4.96 percent.

Dealers noted liquidity was thin since many investors were off for the Jewish new year holiday, perhaps exaggerating price moves.

FIGURES FAIL TO CLEAR THE FOG

The rally began when early data showed the consumer price index rose a modest 0.1 percent in August, as forecast. The core measure excluding food and energy also rose 0.1 percent, only half the gain expected in a Reuters survey of economists.

The annual rate of core inflation thus slowed to 1.7 percent from 1.8 percent, leaving it well within the Federal Reserve's presumed 1 to 2 percent "comfort zone."

Later, the Philadelphia Fed reported a larger-than-expected slide in its gauge of U.S. Mid-Atlantic manufacturing, to 13.4 in September from 28.5 in August.

The survey's jobs and new orders components suggested underlying conditions were more robust than the headline numbers indicated, however. The employment gauge climbed to 21.5 from 17.2, while new orders grew to 26.4 from 19.2.

But Treasuries were already too caught up in the upward technical momentum, and the rally fed on itself. There was sufficient uncertainty in the data to allow bond bulls to bet the Fed may pause its rate hiking campaign sometime soon.

"Once again, the results are inconclusive, and the fog regarding exactly where the economy is headed persists," said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets.

"Those arguing for economic weakness will undoubtedly highlight the overall result, but, in my mind, these data do not really help much in figuring out where we are heading," he added. (Additional reporting by Wayne Cole)
 

gastronomo

Forumer storico
DJ Debt Futures Review: Soars After Soft Philadelphia Fed Survey

By Allen Sykora
BEND, Ore. (DowJones)--Interest-rate futures in Chicago soared Thursday in
the wake of a surprisingly weak business survey from the Philadelphia Fed,
traders and analysts said.
Buy stops were triggered during the move, particularly in the longer end
of the yield curve, contacts said. Furthermore, added one, some convexity-
related buying might be starting to occur on uneasiness that yields could
continue to fall enough to encourage another round of mortgage refinancing.
Dec 10-year notes settled up 23 ticks at 113-02, Dec Treasury bonds closed
up a full point plus 8 ticks at 112-15, and Mar Eurodollars gained 7.5 basis
points to 97.645.
The futures already had a stronger tone around late morning, helped
partially by a benign Consumer Price Index report, contacts said.
The market then accelerated to the upside after news that the Philadelphia
Fed's business index fell to 13.4 in September from 28.5 in August.
Expectations had been for a more modest pullback to around 24.5.
This prompted a sharp rally in prices across the curve as traders
continued to pare back their expectations for future Fed tightening, market
watchers said. Besides the Philadelphia Fed survey, there also are ideas that
economic setbacks from hurricanes that have hit the southeastern portion of
the U.S. could also prompt the Fed to be less aggressive with future
tightening, said John Person, head financial analyst in Chicago with Infinity
Brokerage Services.
"It (the hurricanes) could cause more slowdown in the next quarter," he
said. Thus, Person continued, some market watchers might be starting to wonder
if the Fed will even hike rates next week, as previously thought.
At the moment, the Oct federal-funds futures contract is nearly fully
pricing in another 25-basis-point tightening. However, many in the market may
be starting to think that even if the Fed does hike next week, their post-
meeting statement could include some language suggesting this would be the
last tightening for a while, pointed out Mark Ungewitter, portfolio manager in
Boston with Investors Bank & Trust.
"The effect of these fundamental (economic) numbers has been cumulative,"
said Ungewitter. "Things have been coming in on the weak side for a few weeks
now. Today, you had the CPI and the Philly Fed.
"Going into next week's Fed meeting, I think the market believes the Fed
could possibly pause here and not raise rates. Or if they do raise rates, they
could indicate there is going to be a pause (going forward)."
Essentially, the same occurred in reverse when the Federal Reserve
lowered rates for the last time more than a year ago, said Ungewitter. Even
though rate cuts are bullish for bonds, the market sold off after that easing.
"The market knew it was the last cut in the easing cycle," he said.
The yield on 10-year notes, which moves inversely to the price, fell as
far as 4.057%, its weakest level since April 2. Should it fall back as far as
3.90% to 3.85%, some 30% of mortgage holders conceivably could find it to
their advantage to refinance, related Ungewitter.
Since market participants tend to try to factor in developments ahead of
time, some mortgage-related convexity buying may already be starting to occur,
he said.
Dec bonds traded as high as 112-22, shattering their Sept. 3 high by 20
ticks. The futures hit their most muscular level since March.
Buy stops were hit in the bonds as they moved through several key
technical levels, including the areas around 111-23, 112 even and 112-08, said
Person.
"There was a barrage of heavy short covering," he said. "Stops were
elected. It's been fueling itself and funds have been buying. Buying begets
buying in this market in this environment."
Dec 10-year notes traded up to 113-05.5, moving only slightly ahead of
their Sept. 3 high of 113-03.5.
Earlier this morning, the government reported that both the overall
Consumer Price Index, plus core CPI excluding food and energy, rose 0.1%
during August. Both forecasts had been for a 0.2% increase.
Yet one other report showed that first-time jobless claims rose 16,000 to
333,000 during the week ending Saturday. Various consensus forecasts had been
for around 335,000 to 345,000 claims.
The lone report on the calendar for Friday is the University of Michigan's
consumer-sentiment index around 0845 CT (1345 GMT). Expectations are for a
reading of around 96.5, which would be up from 95.9 at the end of August.

-By Allen Sykora, Dow Jones Newswires; 541-318-8765
[email protected]
 

ditropan

Forumer storico
spero.lo.0.15% ha scritto:
ditropan ha scritto:
salve gente ... e poi dicono perchè uno si inkazza di bestia !!!


... appena tornato .... mi spiegate come fà un'indice obbligazionario a guadagnare più di un'indice azionario ????


Tbond a +1,26% con nasdaq, DJ e S&P positivi !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


ciao a tutti e ciao andrea :)

andrea visto che tu sei ferrato in materia di t-bond e correlazioni con il bund..

oggi per la prima volta mi sono visto la quotazione del t-bond da stamattina ad adesso (anche se differita di 10 minuti )

una domanda anzi due :D

-quando il t-bond quotava 111.07/10 circa (vado un po' a spanne ) il bund
quotava 114.75/80 111.20/25 bund 114.90/5
t-bond 112.05 bund 115.10 cioe' 75 punti t-bond 15 punti bund :eek:

e' possibile ?

insomma mi ha dato l'impressione che dopo una certa quotazione non gliene freghi piu' di tanto

seconda domanda

ma anche il t- bond ha la figura da cento tick? perche' nel grafico le quotazioni andavano (quelle sulla dx) da 111.01 a 111.30 poi andavano addirittura a 112..boh ..anche perche' ho letto di fleu che parlava di 111.5625...

ultima..ma loro quotano ancora il t-bond settembre ?

ciao e grazie
domenico :)

il tbond settembre c'è ancora ma non è praticamente più scambiato ..... a questi livelli siamo veramente fuori di testa su tutto .... io ho perso ogni riferimento e ogni ragione ... ti basti sapere che oggi tradavo il petrolio e poi mi sono trovato con il pacco sul tbond-bund su dei dati poi che non centrano niente !!! ... e con questa sera mi sono preso in faccia 9 tbond per una figura e mezza ... fai tu i conti !!!

il tbond quota in 32-esimi secondo questa scala ..
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correlazioni con il tbond a questo punto iniziano a saltare ... nel senso che il bund non può (... o meglio sarebbe dire potrebbe !!!) più salire di pari passo. La percentuale comunque deve essere inferiore perchè il tbond è un 30-ennale mentre il bund è un decennale.

ciao e scusami ma questa sera sono troppo incacchiato !!! :-x :-x :-x :( :( :( :sad: :sad: :sad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Andrea 53

Forumer storico
azzzzzzz........sono ripassato prima di nanna e vedo che il BOND

non si è fermato da 111.03 a 112.20.....domani sarà dura !

notte a tutti :)
 

ditropan

Forumer storico
Andrea 53 ha scritto:
mi aspettavo una apertura peggiore :)

buongiorno a tutti ....vado a farmi il caffe :)

ciao andrea ... a questi livelli dovrebbe iniziare a battere in testa pure lui ... e che cavolo se consideriamo il defunto settembre è come se fossimo a 116,12 :( :( :( :eek: :eek: :sad: :sad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

spero.lo.0.15%

Forumer attivo
ditropan ha scritto:
Andrea 53 ha scritto:
mi aspettavo una apertura peggiore :)

buongiorno a tutti ....vado a farmi il caffe :)

ciao andrea ... a questi livelli dovrebbe iniziare a battere in testa pure lui ... e che cavolo se consideriamo il defunto settembre è come se fossimo a 116,12 :( :( :( :eek: :eek: :sad: :sad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


buongiorno a tutti e ciao andrea :)

grazie delle risposte :)
certo che non mi aspettavo una salita del genere :(
tra l'altro il t-bond e' salito sul dato delle 18 e non sui dati delle 14.30
valli a capire :(

io sono sempre sh da 114.54 e comincio a vedere i sorci verdi...

mi sa che fino alla mattina del 22 bisognera' ballare di brutto,basta che non mi dia la mazzata finale l'omino verde :rolleyes:

buona giornata a tutti
domenico :)
 

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