Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (1 Viewer)

stockuccio

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quindi lo swap è saltato, fiat vuol prendere opel da gm, fiat ha preso Chrysler che è una concorrente di gm in USA, Merkel e Obama in campo :-? ... nel frattempo le vendite di auto van maluccio e si continua a perdere soldi ... grande casino
 

paologorgo

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e la questione dei CDS sui bond GM come la vedi Paolo?

non sono fonte attendibile, io i fallimenti li prevedo, non mi ci assicuro contro... :D

There has been some media and political debate lately over who if any entities may have profited from a Chrysler bankruptcy due to CDS holdings. As is often the case, when you get the mainstream media entering the ever so slightly more complex world of CDS contracts, many of the theories that develop have the same "logic" that is underpinning the current market rally.

A little due diligence in this case reveals relevant facts. The 2019 White & Case filing from the Chrysler docket has some critical disclosure:
4. None of the Chrysler Non-TARP Lenders hold any credit default swaps or hedges with respect to their holdings of Senior Debt.
In other words, the original Non-TARP holdouts, who owned $295 million of Senior Debt, did not have one Chrysler Credit Default Swap to their name. Thus, being unhedged they did not stand to benefit at all from a Chrysler bankruptcy and any claims that they implicitly or explicitly pushed the company into bankruptcy are nonsensical (granted the question stays open of whether they had CDS at any point in the past, although that can not be gleaned from the filing).
If there really are CDS holding culprits (and we really are talking LCDS here) they would be in the non-holdout creditor camp. But most likely, CDS holders did not have secured long positions in the first place, and bankruptcy beneficiaries would likely not be found anywhere in the list of secured or unsecured creditors. However, due to the LCDS nature of the holdings, this is a case unlike GM or the recent finance company bankruptcies. Now, in GM things will likely get more interesting, as DTCC reports that the company has roughly $33.6 billion and $2.4 billion in gross and net CDS exposure, respectively.
As for any allegations that AIG was a taxpayer funnel again, this is not the case, as AIG rarely if ever underwrote single-name CDS (and much less LCDS). Thus comparing the AIG gift to banks in early 2009 with fund flows in the Chrysler and, soon to be, GM bankruptcies is in the apples and oranges realm.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/136784-looking-into-the-chrysler-cds-question
 

Imark

Forumer storico
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Unclear if B&B missed payment is CDS event - ISDA


però le cose si complicano:-o

Ma lì se il mancato pagamento è avvenuto su perpetual, sicuramente non c'è default e si dovrà vedere se normativamente (sulla base del regolamento del CDS) si può parlare di un default improprio, ossia l'evento faccia cmq scattare il diritto a ricevere compensazioni per una formulazione contrattuale non corretta.

Diverso è il discorso se ci sia stato mancato pagamento ad es. su di un titolo LT2, sebbene ciò sia attualmente consentito dalla recente legge bancaria inglese, per il quale si porrebbe il problema di verificare se si tratti di evento default oppure meno...
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
sono ot

Unclear if B&B missed payment is CDS event - ISDA


però le cose si complicano:-o

Dealers vote B&B is not a CDS credit event -ISDA

Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:05pm IST

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LONDON, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Dealers decided a recent rule change on coupon payments for Bradford & Bingley (BB_p.L: Quote, Profile, Research) subordinated debt will not trigger payment under credit default swap contracts, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association (ISDA) said on Monday.
A dealer vote followed a change last week in the UK government's rules around its bailout of the failed mortgage lender, which allowed it to skip coupon payments on around 850 million pounds ($1.2 billion) worth of subordinated bonds without triggering a default [ID:nLK292944].

http://in.reuters.com/article/newIssuesNews/idINLN57813420090223
 

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