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Grisù
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Hai ragione ma se leggi le dichiarazioni di tremonti e i rumors sugli attriti franco-tedeschi si è andati ad un filo dalla tragedia lo scorso aprile.
In quel caso non avrei mai pensato che la politica portasse così vicino al baratro l'economia dell'area euro ma l'hanno effettivamente fatto.
La mia perplessità non è tanto sulle capacità dell'economia greca di rialzarsi (già descrissi in passato come in Grecia la crisi non era stata vissuta interamente come nel resto dell'area euro perchè si era invece pensato che con un paio di giochetti contabili e grazie agli amici di goldman si potevano ripulire bilanci e relativo deficit).
Come affermavo ci sono molte sacche di inefficienza sui bilanci statali e ne sono la prova i tagli impressionanti sui bilanci pubblici del 2010.
La cura FMI può però essere letale per l'economia e come ripeto da tempo l'anno centrale per decidere il destino della Grecia sarà il prossimo.
In ogni caso come suscitava in me ilarità chi diceva che la Grecia fosse spacciata, altrettanto risibili sono le affermazioni di chi pensa che ora bund e ggb siano sullo stesso piano. Attenzione quindi a non ricadere in quello che è un difetto di auto persuasione, l'equilibrio è la dote più preziosa per un investitore almeno nel lungo periodo.
Grisù
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Fitch removes Piraeus Bank from Rating Watch Negative
The agency removed Piraeus Bank from Rating Watch Negative, after the bank withdrew its bid for ATE and HPB. Fitch affirmed the ‘BBB-’ LT rating with Negative outlook. The agency also changed ATE Bank’s Rating Watch to Negative from Evolving, while it affirmed the ‘BBB-’ rating with Negative outlook.
The agency removed Piraeus Bank from Rating Watch Negative, after the bank withdrew its bid for ATE and HPB. Fitch affirmed the ‘BBB-’ LT rating with Negative outlook. The agency also changed ATE Bank’s Rating Watch to Negative from Evolving, while it affirmed the ‘BBB-’ rating with Negative outlook.
tommy271
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Credo che nessun forumista pensi questo (la frase in neretto), forse qualche sprovveduto.
Comunque concordo con te, sarà decisivo il prossimo anno.
Vedremo la capacità dell'economia ellenica di reggere alla depressione. Io rimango ottimista sul fronte degli investimenti dall'estero, non dimentichiamoci che a breve verrà votata la legge sulle privatizzazioni ...
Poi non scordiamoci dell'economia sommersa al 30% del PIL, qui nessuno muore di fame.
Belli i grafici che hai postato sopra.
tommy271
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Greece: Memorandum of cooperation between ELGEKA GROUP & COSCO.
Michael Roberts - 05.10.2010
[FONT="]On Saturday, October 2nd 2010, Elgeka Group and Cosco Pacific Limited signed a memorandum of cooperation regarding the construction, development and operation of a Container Freight Station at the New Container Terminal of the Port of Piraeus. The above collaboration further strengthens the existing strategic alliance of the two groups.
[FONT="]The memorandum includes the basic terms of the cooperation between the two parts and will be followed by the Shareholders' Agreement signature which will determine all the details of the agreement. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The agreement consists of the following basic terms: [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Incorporation of a common corporate scheme COSCO - DIAKINISIS PORT with 50%-50% participation from each part in the paid up share capital. [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Construction, development and operation of a Container Freight Station of a total surface of approximately 7,000 sqm. [/FONT]
[FONT="]- The aforementioned investment is estimated to amount up to five million Euros (€ 5.000.000). [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Creation of approximately 50 new work positions for the new Station. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The specific strategic collaboration between the two groups, establishes new presumptions on the wider sector of merchandising transport in relation to a) the connection of the Piraeus Port as the transportation centre to East and North Europe and b) the management of inventories-products from companies operating either in Greece or in other European countries with the objective to offer lower prices towards to the end consumer.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Source Athens Stock Exchange
(balkans.com)
[/FONT] [/FONT]
Michael Roberts - 05.10.2010
[FONT="]On Saturday, October 2nd 2010, Elgeka Group and Cosco Pacific Limited signed a memorandum of cooperation regarding the construction, development and operation of a Container Freight Station at the New Container Terminal of the Port of Piraeus. The above collaboration further strengthens the existing strategic alliance of the two groups.
[FONT="]The memorandum includes the basic terms of the cooperation between the two parts and will be followed by the Shareholders' Agreement signature which will determine all the details of the agreement. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The agreement consists of the following basic terms: [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Incorporation of a common corporate scheme COSCO - DIAKINISIS PORT with 50%-50% participation from each part in the paid up share capital. [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Construction, development and operation of a Container Freight Station of a total surface of approximately 7,000 sqm. [/FONT]
[FONT="]- The aforementioned investment is estimated to amount up to five million Euros (€ 5.000.000). [/FONT]
[FONT="]- Creation of approximately 50 new work positions for the new Station. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The specific strategic collaboration between the two groups, establishes new presumptions on the wider sector of merchandising transport in relation to a) the connection of the Piraeus Port as the transportation centre to East and North Europe and b) the management of inventories-products from companies operating either in Greece or in other European countries with the objective to offer lower prices towards to the end consumer.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Source Athens Stock Exchange
(balkans.com)
[/FONT] [/FONT]
tommy271
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SAMARAS ACCETTA DI VISITARE LA CINA
On Sunday Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao briefly met with New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras. Samaras thanked Jiabao for his support and for his purchase of Greek bonds during this turbulent period. He accepted an invitation to visit China, underlining that the previous ND government has succeded in developing lasting relationships with China and its citizens.
After inviting the ND leader to visit Beijing, the chinese premier, noted that Greece had always been a reliable partner in the European Union and that all Greek political parties want to further their bilateral relations.
(Greek Reporter.gr)
On Sunday Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao briefly met with New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras. Samaras thanked Jiabao for his support and for his purchase of Greek bonds during this turbulent period. He accepted an invitation to visit China, underlining that the previous ND government has succeded in developing lasting relationships with China and its citizens.
After inviting the ND leader to visit Beijing, the chinese premier, noted that Greece had always been a reliable partner in the European Union and that all Greek political parties want to further their bilateral relations.
(Greek Reporter.gr)
Grisù
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Non tutti sono però convincenti a parer mio. La stabilizzazione del debito passa per una crescita del PIL, a mio avviso poco probabile dati i trend attuali.
Prevedono un 2013 di grande crescita, staremo a vedere. Allo stato attuale è molto complesso fare previsioni attendibili, per questa ragione secondo me anche gli analisti si comportano come bandiere al vento.
tommy271
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New Austerity Measures Not Final
The draft budget released Monday left many questions unanswered by making it clear that the new VAT rates, the possible further increase in excise duties, the final level of public investment and the change in the taxation of the oil used for heating have not yet been decided.
The final measures of 2011 will be probably rubberstamped on 18 November, when the final draft will be submitted to the parliament, after the troika gives the green light. The reason, as explained yesterday by a top executive of the Ministry of Finance, is that the assessment of the revenue each measure will bring has not yet been completed.
The reality however is that the government still does not know the gaps in the execution of this year΄s budget, not only on terms of income but costs as well. Officials still do not have a complete picture of the new costs created by hospitals, public utilities and other public entities.
The problem is that possibly there will not be a complete picture even in November because many public sector bodies do not provide details. At this point the Troika will be the cataslyst, as the new budget in November will be drafted under its own estimates and in this way new austerity measures for 2011 will be decided.
(Capital.gr)
The draft budget released Monday left many questions unanswered by making it clear that the new VAT rates, the possible further increase in excise duties, the final level of public investment and the change in the taxation of the oil used for heating have not yet been decided.
The final measures of 2011 will be probably rubberstamped on 18 November, when the final draft will be submitted to the parliament, after the troika gives the green light. The reason, as explained yesterday by a top executive of the Ministry of Finance, is that the assessment of the revenue each measure will bring has not yet been completed.
The reality however is that the government still does not know the gaps in the execution of this year΄s budget, not only on terms of income but costs as well. Officials still do not have a complete picture of the new costs created by hospitals, public utilities and other public entities.
The problem is that possibly there will not be a complete picture even in November because many public sector bodies do not provide details. At this point the Troika will be the cataslyst, as the new budget in November will be drafted under its own estimates and in this way new austerity measures for 2011 will be decided.
(Capital.gr)
tommy271
Forumer storico
Non tutti sono però convincenti a parer mio. La stabilizzazione del debito passa per una crescita del PIL, a mio avviso poco probabile dati i trend attuali.
Prevedono un 2013 di grande crescita, staremo a vedere. Allo stato attuale è molto complesso fare previsioni attendibili, per questa ragione secondo me anche gli analisti si comportano come bandiere al vento.
.Grisù, non ci rimane altro che stare a vedere: i punti critici ormai li conosciamo ... sappiamo dove andare a parare.
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