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tommy271

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Grazie Tommy.
Sì questa cosa degli irs me l'avevano detta, per fortuna attualmente NON devo rivendere anche se la perdita sarebbe attorno al 3%.
Cmq il +10% (sicuri) al 2020 sul capitale potrebbe anche essere interessante per qualcuno quindi si può anche pensare di incrementare se scendono ancora, tenendo d'occhio il rateo ecc.

Cmq sembra una malattia legata ANCHE all'interesse basso e ai 10 anni di scadenza rispetto ad altri sempre tedeschi e francesi che ancora quotano bene.

Su questi titoli, più i tassi tenderanno ad andare verso l'alto più il valore degli stessi tenderà a scendere.
Salvo improvvise e gravi tensioni sull'area euro che tendono a privilegiare i titoli "sicuri", invertendone così la direzione.
 

tommy271

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Papandreou calls IMF chief to convey complaints

PM follows up statement condemning troika's comments about Greek economy




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Prime Minister George Papandreou has called the managing director of the International Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, to convey Greece’s dissatisfaction with comments made by officials from the IMF, European Commission and European Central Bank – collectively known as the troika – on Friday.

Earlier, the Greek government had issued a statement condemning the comments about the Greek economy as “unacceptable” and an attempt to meddle in Greece’s domestic affairs.

According to the prime minister’s office, Papandreou called Strauss-Kahn to explain why Athens was so unhappy with the troika’s comments.

In approving the fourth tranche of Greece’s emergency loan package, worth 15 billion euros, the troika warned that Athens would have to speed up its reforms and to sell 50 billion euros worth of state assets, including public property.

It appears that this last suggestion in particular has angered the Greek government.

“The behavior of the representatives of the European Commission, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank during Friday’s news conference was unacceptable,” said government spokesman Giorgos Petalotis in a statement. “We asked for their help and in return we have kept to the letter in all the pledges we made.

“However, we did not ask anyone to intervene in our country’s domestic affairs. Everyone has to be aware of their role and this is something that we will make clear to our partners.”

Greece turned to the troika last May for 110 bullion euros in emergency loans to avoid bankruptcy. But in order to qualify for the loans, the government had to agree to a raft of structural reforms.

“We are in need but we also have limits,” said Petalotis. “We are not willing to negotiate the limits of our self-respect with anyone. We only accept orders from the Greek people.

According to Papandreou’s office, Strauss-Kahn expressed his understanding and respect for the Greek government and its people.

The prime minister was also due to speak with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and European Central Bank chief Jean-Claude Trichet.


ekathimerini.com , Saturday February 12, 2011 (16:39)
 

tommy271

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EU, IMF Regret Dispute With Greek Government Over Asset Sales

By Maria Petrakis - Feb 13, 2011 10:43 AM GMT+0100 Sun Feb 13 09:43:14 GMT 2011

The European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank, overseers of a bailout of Greece, expressed regret for a dispute that arose after officials told the government to increase asset sales.
“Our three institutions have full respect for the prerogatives and initiatives of the government in all areas of economic decision-making, and our role is to advise and support the government,” they said in an e-mailed joint statement received from the Washington-based IMF. “It is regrettable if a different impression was perceived at any time.”
Greece’s government yesterday criticized demands from EU and IMF officials for proceeds of state asset sales to rise to 50 billion euros ($67 billion) from a previous estimate of 7 billion euros, calling them “unacceptable.” The country is the recipient of a 110 billion-euro bailout, led by the EU, aimed at averting a debt default.
Prime Minister George Papandreou spoke by phone with Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the IMF, and Olli Rehn, EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, to complain, according to e-mailed statements from the prime minister’s office.
Poul Thomsen, head of the IMF’s Greece mission, and the EU’s Servaas Deroose told reporters on Feb. 11 the country’s fiscal adjustment plan was on track and that emphasis should be placed on structural changes such as a tax-system overhaul and asset disposals to pay down debt. They were in Athens to review Greece’s progress under the bailout.
Approval of the country’s efforts would ensure payment of the plan’s next installment of 15 billion euros in March.



(Bloomberg)
 

tommy271

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EU, IMF voice support for Greek government after Athens slams international debt inspectors



ATHENS, Greece (AP) - The organizations supervising Greece's efforts to overhaul its debt-ridden economy have voiced their support for the Greek government and its people, after Athens slammed the organizations for what it called interference in its domestic affairs.

The International Monetary Fund, European Central Bank and European Commission issued a statement late Saturday night saying they had "full respect" for the government's decision-making, and that it was "regrettable if a different impression was perceived."

The statement came after Greece described the behavior of delegates from the three institutions during a recent news conference as "unacceptable" and accused them of meddling in the country's domestic affairs.

(Associated Presse)
 

tommy271

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EU, IMF voice support for Greek government after Athens slams international debt inspectors

By Elena Becatoros



ATHENS, Greece (AP) - The international organizations supervising Greece's efforts to overhaul its debt-ridden economy have voiced support for the Greek government and its people, after Athens slammed the organizations for what it called interference in its domestic affairs.

The International Monetary Fund, European Central Bank and European Commission statement, issued just before midnight Saturday, appeared designed to dampen Greek tempers that frayed following a visit by the three to review the progress toward economic reform.

The three said they "recognize the difficult challenges facing the Greek economy and we have the deepest respect for the tremendous efforts being made by the Greek people."

The Greek government a day earlier reacted harshly to a news conference in which the three institutions — known collectively by Greeks as the troika — said Greece must privatize euro50 billion ($68 billion) in state assets and speed up structural reforms in the next few months to keep the country's troubled finances afloat.

The IMF and European Union countries that use the euro rescued Greece from bankruptcy with a euro110 billion bailout loan package last May that kept it from defaulting on its mountainous debts, but at a price that many Greeks consider too harsh.

The three institutions, which are supervising the bailout deal, "have full respect for the prerogatives and initiatives of the government in all areas of economic decision-making," they said. "It is regrettable if a different impression was perceived at any time."

The reforms, which include cutting public sector salaries and pensions, increasing taxes and opening up highly regulated professions to broader competition, have been highly unpopular, with labor unions organizing frequent demonstrations and strikes.

The first public indication of the potentially damaging spat between Greece and the troika appeared in an unusually harshly worded pre-dawn statement by government spokesman Giorgos Petalotis, in which he described the behavior of the troika representatives at a Friday news conference as "unacceptable."

"We have needs, but we also have limits. And we do not negotiate the limits of our dignity with anyone," Petalotis said in the statement, issued just before 2 a.m. "We take orders only from the Greek people."

IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn phoned Prime Minister George Papandreou, who also told the IMF head that the delegates' behavior had been unacceptable, Papandreou's office said.

On Friday, the debt inspectors said Greece must privatize euro50 billion ($68 billion) in state assets — seven times larger than a target set only three months ago — and speed up structural reforms. IMF mission chief Poul Thomsen dismissed a suggestion in a reporter's question that Greece might sell its ancient monuments to raise money, but argued that "the mismanagement of public property is a major source of waste" in Greece.

He also said Greece's long-term reforms were being "fiercely tested by vested interests" and that some of the frequent demonstrations against the Greek government's reforms were being carried out by groups angry at losing their "unfair advantages and privileges," like truck drivers and pharmacists who work in closed industries the government is trying to open up.

"We asked them to help and we are fully honoring our commitments. But we didn't ask for anyone to intervene in our country's internal affairs," Petalotis said in his pre-dawn statement, adding the government would make clear that "everyone must understand their role."

(Associated Presse)

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PASTELLETTO

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Su questi titoli, più i tassi tenderanno ad andare verso l'alto più il valore degli stessi tenderà a scendere.
Salvo improvvise e gravi tensioni sull'area euro che tendono a privilegiare i titoli "sicuri", invertendone così la direzione.

Ma questo non vale per qualsiasi tasso fisso?
 

Baro

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Ciao Baro, come dicevo sopra con Pastelletto ..
L'Austria ha tenuto bene, non sottovalutare però l'esposizione delle banche austriache verso i paesi dell'Est: in particolare verso Ungheria e aree sud/est europee a "rischio".
Tempo fa, ora sono troppo cari (ma forse li riprenderemo più avanti), al posto dei Bund prendevo titoli KFW, equivalenti, ma un pelino meno "cari".
Grazie a te Tommy che sei vigile sui nostri ggb anche alla domenica ... I titoli tedeschi della banca KFW sono quotati sul TLX ?
 

tommy271

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Ma questo non vale per qualsiasi tasso fisso?

Non proprio.
Ad esempio sui titoli "periferici" la dinamica "tassi" si innesta su quella dello "spread", ovvero del rischio paese.

Per esempio: i nostri ellenici potrebbero recuperare ampiamente le quotazioni in caso di abbassamento del rischio anche in presenza di un aumento dei tassi che sarebbe compensato dall'accresciuto valore del titolo.

Non altrettanto possiamo dire dei titoli a tripla AAA a tasso fisso che non recuperano nulla sullo spread, essendo già ai minimi livelli.
 

tommy271

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brutte notizie....
se questi pensano di ricevere regali, i tedeschi si ink....

Papandreou deve anche tenere in conto le questioni interne... comunque pare tutto risolto stando alle ultime news.

Mi capite che non può essere il "passacarte" di decisioni prese altrove, almeno agli occhi dell'opinione pubblica.
 
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