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cmq cippetto preso pure oggi ...
di cippetto in cippetto la quantità ad oggi è decisamente imbarazzante
sperem :benedizione:

PS sentivo Rai News poco fa sui contratti swap degli enti locali, che parecchi riguardano anche tds greci, portoghesi, irlandesi, etc, in possesso di banche, ma nel caso di default sarebbe l'ente locale a doverne sostenere l'onere
 
ciao,
detta cosi suonerebbe come dei TDS lt2 :lol: quindi...necessariamente offriranno rendimenti maggiori dei vecchi TDS.
Ottimo lavoro tommy su questo 3d, dovresti essere promosso a "creditore privilegiato" stile FMI:up:

se dal 2013 tutti i bond europei di nuova emissione fossero con tale clausola, non credo ci sarebbero differenze enormi; un po' come l'ultima p. di Unicredit rispetto alle precedenti: il mercato se la è digerita ugualmente
 
Mah, non credo non ci credano più, e probabilmente sarà quella la via per le futre emissioni.


Questo è vero Tommy, però non pensi che con le clausole di subordinazione, la speculazione (noi compresi :D) ci penserà 2 volte prima di attacare un paese in difficoltà, sapendo che sarà più facile perdere i soldini?

Rispondo anche a Innocentiproject, Giub ed altri.
Il problema di una subordinazione potrà creare due mercati paralleli tra le nuove e le vecchie emissioni (ci vorrà quasi decennio per riequilibrare la situazione).
Se è vero quello che dice Dierre, è anche probabile che queste emissioni dovranno pagare di più, portando la spesa per gli interessi ancora più in alto.
Nelle intenzioni dei legislatori rimane comunque prioritaria l'assunzione di "responsabilità": maggiori guadagni=maggiori rischi. Ed in linea teorica, non è neppure sbagliata.
Queste nuove norme, se approvate, impatteranno nuovamente sui "Periferici", mentre risparmieranno Germania e Tripla AAA.
Le ragioni sono evidenti ...
 
DAL MONETARIO REUTERS:

Resta tesa la situazione per il debito non-core in una settimana che ha visto il downgrade di Grecia e Spagna sullo sfondo di attese di un rialzo dei tassi che minaccia di accrescere il peso del debito per i Paesi più deboli.



Si riuniscono nel pomeriggio a Bruxelles i leader della zona euro al termine di una settimana di passione per il debito europeo non-core. Le attese per il vertice a 17 sono di accordo su una versione edulcorata del 'patto per la competitività' proposto da Francia e Germania, mentre ogni decisione cruciale sul rafforzamento del fondo di salvataggio è rinviata al summit di fine mese. Secondo fonti parlamentari tedesche Angela Merkel darebbe il proprio assenso a un ampliamento dell'Efsf se i membri più deboli dessero il loro contributo in denaro e non si opporrebbe a un alleggerimento del debito greco e irlandese in cambio di impegni specifici da parte dei due Paesi.
 
Eurozone leaders gear up for grand bargain over solution to crisis​



2011-03-10 23:22:28


BRUSSELS, March 10 (Xinhua) -- Leaders of the 17 European Union (EU) countries were poised to meet Friday to thrash out a comprehensive solution to the sovereign debt crisis, with a grand bargain inevitable.

One year after the sovereign debt crisis first broke out in Greece, EU leaders agreed in December to seek a comprehensive package of measures to tackle the toughest challenge in the history of the euro.

They were expected to finalize a deal at a summit scheduled on March 24 and 25, which analysts said could be a turning point in the EU's fight against the sovereign debt crisis if the comprehensive package is ambitious enough.

In preparation for the full EU summit, eurozone leaders chose to have a showdown among themselves since most of the envisaged measures would be specifically designed for the single currency club. What they could agree on would be decisive for the ultimate EU outcome.

Despite the high expectations, cracks have emerged among eurozone members over what should be done to overcome the sovereign debt crisis, which has engulfed Greece and Ireland, with Portugal and Spain feared to be waiting in line.

Division seemed to be intensifying with the deadline for a final deal approaching. So far, the most contentious part of the comprehensive package centered on a joint call by Germany and France for sweeping reforms to enhance competitiveness and policy coordination of eurozone economies.

EU President Herman Van Rompuy said the Franco-German proposal for a competitiveness pact in the euro zone would be the top issue for the informal summit of eurozone leaders.

"We will start with the pact for the euro area and discuss how to develop stronger economic policy coordination for competitiveness and convergence," he said in an invitation letter.

The EU president said he would like eurozone leaders to reach an agreement in principle on the reforms, which would be formalized at the full EU summit later this month.

However, much of the Franco-German proposal, which called for eurozone countries to abandon the indexation of wages to inflation, lift retirement ages based on demographics, anchor strict limits on government borrowing in their constitutions and harmonize corporate tax, has met strong resistance from other eurozone members.

Belgium had refused to scrap the country's policy of raising wages in line with inflation, while Ireland was unlikely to increase its corporate tax, which is significantly lower than the EU average and gives the country an advantage in attracting foreign investments.

In a bid to find a common ground, Van Rompuy was asked earlier this month to produce a compromised draft. Internal documents showed the original proposal had been watered down to accommodate political differences, with the reforms set to lose teeth.

On top of the competitiveness pact, countries like Portugal and Spain, which are facing pressure from the markets, were more interested in changes to the EU's bailout fund, which formed part of the comprehensive package.

They wanted in particular to increase the lending capacity of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) and make the use of financial support more flexible.

In the aftermath of the Greek debt crisis, eurozone governments set up the EFSF with a total guarantee of 440 billion euros (608 billion U.S. dollars) for future bailouts, but its effective lending capacity only amounts to 250 billion euros (345 billion U.S. dollars) because of the need to retain its triple-A credit rating.

Investors have been concerned the EFSF would be short of money if Portugal and Spain fall prey to the sovereign debt crisis, but any boost to the bailout fund would require Germany, the EU's paymaster, to put up more money on the table.

Berlin has so far made no commitment to boosting the lending capacity of the EFSF or making the use of the bailout fund more flexible, indicating any more contribution should be linked with acceptance of the competitiveness pact by eurozone partners.

Meanwhile, Greece and Ireland, the countries which had already been bailed out, were pushing for easier terms on the EU's financial loans, which analysts said may be the easiest part of the comprehensive package to be agreed.

The wide-ranging differences have prevented analysts from holding high expectations for the eurozone summit and the later EU summit.

"There has been a lot of hope pinned to the European Council (of EU leaders) that's coming up, that this would be the great leap forward, but that's hoping too much if you reflect on the political reality in Europe," Moritz Kraemer, head of sovereign credit ratings for Europe at Standard & Poor's, said.



(Agenzia Nuova Cina)
 
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Merkel Is Said to Support Lower Bailout Rates on Debt for Greece, Ireland

By Brian Parkin and Rainer Buergin - Mar 11, 2011 12:01 AM GMT+0100 Thu Mar 10 23:01:00 GMT 2011

March 9 (Bloomberg) --




German Chancellor Angela Merkel told lawmakers she would back lower interest rates for emergency loans if Greece agrees to sell state assets and Ireland backs a common corporate tax base in the euro region.
Merkel’s comments in a closed-door briefing to German lawmakers on the eve of today’s European Union summit came as EU leaders seek to break a deadlock by a March 25 deadline on reinforcing their bailout plan and coordinating economic policies, said four lawmakers who attended the session of the parliament’s European Affairs Committee in Berlin.
Her willingness to back what she called a moderate reduction in the cost of the rescue loans sought by Greece and Ireland marked a turnaround. The comments followed the first acknowledgement by her government yesterday that an expansion of the European Financial Stability Facility to lend its full capacity was on the table.
“It is a difficult negotiation and the negotiations are not over,” Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou told reporters in Paris yesterday after meeting French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Papandreou met Merkel in Berlin on Feb. 22 in a bid to persuade her to support an easing of lending terms.
At a March 4 meeting of their European People’s Party, Merkel rebuffed a plea by Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny to cut the cost of last year’s 85 billion-euro ($117 billion) bailout, saying “relief isn’t the issue.” Kenny wants to lower the 5.8 percent interest rate on aid loans and end the protection of senior bank bondholders.
‘Market Focus’

The public negotiating suggests today’s meeting, which is set to focus on coordinating economic policies, won’t “result in any tangible measures,” said UBS AG economist Beat Siegenthaler in a note today. “But it will bring the eurozone debt crisis back into market focus, particularly amid ever- widening spreads of peripheral sovereign bonds.”
Bond yields in Portugal and Greece touched euro-era records this week and Moody’s Investor Service lowered Spain’s credit rating by one notch today with a negative outlook. The euro fell 0.8 percent to $1.3798 at 8:35 p.m. in Berlin.
As part of the quest for a comprehensive plan to stem the debt crisis, the EU is nearing agreement on a plan to be put to today’s summit to raise the region’s competitiveness and tighten economic cooperation, German and French officials said.
The pact, which includes chapters on competitiveness, labor, sustainable public finances and the stability of financial systems, sets objectives rather than binding targets, leaving countries free find their own policy mix, the officials said on condition of anonymity because the talks are not public.
The original plan proposed by Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Feb. 4 ran into opposition. Luxembourg and Belgium rejected suggestions to scrap wage indexation.
German Elections

Merkel has been hemmed in by state elections and EU resistance to her calls for greater economic-policy coordination. In a March 9 speech, she said EU nations must adhere to fiscal rules to spur growth.
“We can’t give ourselves rules and then have some repeatedly flouting these rules,” Merkel said at a rally of her Christian Democratic party in Demmin, northern Germany.
Speaking to lawmakers yesterday, she signalled a willingness to compromise on several issues, including interest rates on aid loans to proposals to expand the scope of the current temporary rescue fund, said participants.
She set a proviso that any about-turn by Germany over interest paid by Greece and Ireland for aid be tied to strict conditionality, said the participants.
Merkel indicated support for raising the EFSF’s effective lending capacity to its headline figure of 440 billion euros and for making sure that the facility replacing it in 2013 can pay out the full 500 billion euros if needed, the lawmakers said.
Still, Merkel won’t support bond buying in the secondary market by the EFSF and the future permanent rescue fund, she told lawmakers. The post-2013 fund can only be allowed to dispense aid as a last resort, she said.



(Bloomberg)
 
Situazione di attesa intorno ai Periferici.
La giornata di ieri è trascorsa in attesa dell'apertura del primo Summit del mese tra il downgrade alla Spagna e i timori di un insuccesso dell'assise europea.
La Grecia, sul finire della giornata, restringe sullo spread in sentiment positivo mentre permane la pressione sulla penisola Iberica.
Oggi molto carte verranno scoperte: la Merkel ha fatto le sue controproposte per non finire all'angolo. Su molte si troverà certamente l'accordo, su altre bisognerà lavorare ...
Il nodo riguarda ora la capacità di ampliamento del EFSF e il livello di contribuzione a cui dovranno partecipare tutti i paesi.
I paesi a basso rating dovranno alzare il proprio contributo, ma non tutti sono disposti a farlo: la Germania non vuol essere il "contributore" principale.
Ma anche qui, le intese sono possibili.
Basta volerlo.

Grecia 948 pb. (961)
Irlanda 628 pb. (629)
Portogallo 440 pb. (436)
Spagna 226 pb. (221)
Italia 173 pb. (170)
Belgio 108 pb. (109)
 
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buongiorno a tutti ciao a tutti come ti dicevo tanti i mesi fa' i primi mesi del 2011 saranno fondamentali per i nostri titoli eccoci arrivati al dunque questo e' il mese fondamentale vedremo cosa partoriranno sti politici se hanno voglia di salvare la grecia oppure affossarla allungamento per rimborsare il debito riduzione dei tassi ecc vedremo
 
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