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anch'io ho in mente noloss, che tra l'altro salutiamo, se ancora ci segue. Sinceramente la vicenda di noloss mi ha rattristito, perchè sembrava che vendesse, spinto da qualche familiare, mentre forse ancora lui credeva in un recupero.
era vero esattamente il contrario. Noloss voleva vendere da diverso tempo, ma quel pitbull di sua moglie non voleva consolidare la perdita (inoltre ci godeva troppo a fargli pesare l'errore di aver investito i risparmi di famiglia nei titolacci greci). Ad un certo punto pero' l'insolvenza della Grecia e' diventata cosi' macroscopica che persino un pitbull microcefalo come lei si e' dovuta arrendere all'evidenza e dare il suo consenso a salvare il salvabile. Il fatto che persino una iena con la sua mente geneticamente limitata e in piu' offuscata dalla cattiveria e dall'avidita' l'abbia capito e voi no, dovrebbe farvi riflettere assai :rolleyes:

P.S. in ogni caso mi pare che da quando Noloss ha venduto si sia gia' risparmiato un'ulteriore perdita di una decina di k :-o
 
Ultima modifica di un moderatore:
Spero che... mi auguro che... qualcuno cancelli velocemente il suo post, e chieda anche scusa. Certe cose non si possono tollerare, la mancanza di rispetto, ad esempio. Poi cancellerò anche questo, ma non sarà facile dimenticare. :rolleyes:
 
proviamo ad alleggerire. :cool:

Io non ho bond Greci. In realtà, pensandoci bene, posso solo rimetterci.

Non posso guadagnarci, non avendo titoli che possono aumentare di valore.

Posso rimetterci, nell'ipotesi che sia necessario un intervento "pubblico" perchè, in maniera indiretta, verrebbe sostenuto da tutti noi cittadini (taxpayer) europei.

In caso di default di un paese nell'ambito della comunità europea, è probabile che i miei investimenti ne sarebbero, in generale, colpiti negativamente, diminuendo di valore, a causa delle turbolenze di mercato.

Non avevo comprato bond greci per dormire tranquillo, stasera me ne vado a letto tranquillo che se va bene, e solo se va bene, non ci rimetto niente... ;)
 
EU, IMF, Berlin Ready To Accept Soft Debt Restructuring For Greece-Report




FRANKFURT -(Dow Jones)- The European Commission, the International Monetary Fund and the German government are ready to accept soft debt restructuring for Greece due to the "dramatic worsening of Greece's situation," but the European Central Bank and France continue to oppose such a move, German newspaper Die Welt will report in its Saturday issue, citing unspecified sources.
"We're not aware of any such decision," a German government official said under the condition of anonymity. The ECB declined to comment on the article, and a spokesman for Olli Rehn, European commissioner for economic affairs, said he has no comment.
The French finance ministry wasn't immediately available for comment. The IMF didn't immediately respond to an emailed request for comment.
The IMF, European Commission and Berlin are now advocating an extension of the maturity of Greek state bonds, the newspaper says, following the latest forecasts for Greece's economy.
Until now, the European Commission had opposed such a move, fearing--like the ECB--that it could provoke turbulence in the European bond market and have negative consequences for Europe's banks, according to the report.
"Looking at the new data, one knows that the situation has changed," the newspaper quotes a source as saying.
However, the ECB and France continue to oppose a soft debt restructuring, according to the article.
Representatives from the German government have for some time favored a voluntary debt restructuring as part of a new Greek rescue package, Die Welt says.
Newspaper website: http://www.welt.de
 
Rehn: Guarantees sought for new Greek loans

Updated: 18:40, Friday, 13 May 2011





Sources in Brussels, Berlin and Helsinki told Finnish television that last Friday's 'secret' meeting in Luxembourg only discussed the unfolding Greek situation.
Political opposition to further bailouts in Germany and Finland in particular have led to the idea of guarantees being sought.
Among the ideas under discussion is the transfer of up to €50 billion worth of Greek government-owned assets to a private holding company - to be owned by the creditor countries - which would sell off the assets to repay the additional loans.
Greece has been falling behind in its EU/IMF fiscal adjustment plan, which requires large-scale sell-offs of state assets to raise cash.
The scheme would be similar to the holding company set up by Germany after re-unification to dispose of assets owned by the communist state of East Germany.
Mr Rehn confirmed in an interview today that the European Commission has been making preparations for some form of guarantee scheme to underpin additional loans required by Greece.
Sources in Brussels also indicated that next week's ECOFIN meeting will be dominated by the Greek issue, and that planned decisions on changes to the operation of the European Financial Stability Facility and the European Stability Mechanism will be put off until the next meeting in June.


(rte.ie)


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Riprende i rumors dettagliati di origine finlandese.
 
Nowotny: Greece Must Be Able To Tap Markets In Medium Term-Report




VIENNA -(Dow Jones)- Greece has a "short-term financing problem" but increasing its competitiveness can only be done over the longterm, European Central Bank executive board member Ewald Nowotny tells the newspaper Wiener Zeitung in an interview on its website Friday.
The Austrian central banker also says the debate on to whether Greece will need additional aid is a political one and doesn't have to do with economics.
Nowotny noted that it's been weeks since the ECB has bought Greek or Portuguese bonds, a measure that was set up to deal with market turbulence. "In my opinion, that should stay that way," Nowotny is quoted as saying.
He also dismissed the International Monetary Fund's recent warning that Greece's debt woes could have a negative impact on Eastern Europe.
"I consider this off the mark," he says. "Those countries have learned, and are now in an upswing. The only effects that I see is that Greek banks could sell their subsidiaries in the region, as recently happened in Poland." But that is "consolidation, not crisis," Nowotny says.
 
Greece cannot return to markets in 2012 - Juncker






BERLIN | Fri May 13, 2011 1:58pm EDT



BERLIN May 13 (Reuters) - It is clear that Greece cannot return to international debt markets in 2012, the head of the Eurogroup was quoted on Friday as saying.
"For me it is clear, that Greece cannot turn back to the financial markets in 2012," Jean-Claude Juncker, who chairs meetings of euro zone finance ministers, was quoted as saying by German newspaper Muenchner Merkur.
Greece's EU/IMF bailout last year envisaged the country would have recovered sufficiently to raise 27 billion euros in capital markets in 2012, and more in 2013.
 
ECB's Stark says wrong to think Greece is insolvent






AACHEN, Germany | Fri May 13, 2011 1:30pm EDT

AACHEN, Germany May 13 (Reuters) - Restructuring Greece's sovereign debt would pose potentially incalculable risks to the overall euro zone and will not solve the country's fiscal crisis, a senior policymaker of the European Central Bank said on Friday.
Speaking in the German city of Aachen, ECB Executive Board member Juergen Stark warned that market speculation over a debt restructuring was based on the false assumption that Greece was insolvent.
"I would warn against underestimating the massive harmful effects a debt restructuring would cause for the country involved and for the euro zone as a whole," he said.
 
EC reportedly backs Greek debt-extension

By Kate Gibson


NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The European Commission, International Monetary Fund and Germany are backing a debt extension for Greece while the Europeaan Central Bank and France, both holders of Greek debt, are opposing the move, according to wire service reports on Friday citing the German newspaper Die Welt. "It makes sense, the Germans want to stop fronting Greece money and it gives Greece more breathing room, and because the principal would get paid back, banks won't have to mark the debt down," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak.



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