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Et tu, Obama?




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By Nick Malkoutzis


Having seen the caliber of some of the Republican Party’s presidential candidates, it’s hard not to want with every fiber in your body for Barack Obama to succeed during his first term in the White House. But this week, thanks to the comments he made about Greece after meeting German Chancellor Angela Merkel, it was difficult not to feel respect for the American leader slipping away.
The headlines after the two politicians held their news conference in Washington revolved around Obama and Merkel’s warning that the Greek debt crisis could bring the world economy to its knees if it’s not tackled properly. «America's economic growth depends on a sensible resolution of this issue,” said Obama. “It would be disastrous for us to see an uncontrolled spiral and default in Europe because that could trigger a whole range of other events.”
With no attempt by Merkel to correct him, Obama had suggested that by some bizarre twist of fate, Greece, that speck on the global economic map, could undermine the world’s most powerful economies. One has to ask: Who do they think they’re kidding?
If we just regain our senses for a moment, what we witnessed on Tuesday was the leader of the world’s most potent nation, one with a $14.6-trillion economy, and the head of Europe’s economic powerhouse, with a GDP of $3.3 trillion, claiming that Greece, which struggled to turnover $310 billion last year, posed a threat to them. To say that this premise seems absurd is an understatement.
Of course, the problem is debt, not just the size of the economies in question. Greece made the unforgivable error of being a small country that ran up a huge bill with its creditors and it did so while being part of a single currency. With it currently standing at over 300 billion euros and close to 150 percent of its GDP, Greece’s debt is unsustainable and therefore a headache for lenders. Athens has managed to bring to life in glorious Technicolor the maxim of British economist John Maynard Keynes that: “If I owe you a pound, I have a problem; but if I owe you a million, the problem is yours.”
But one has to ask how much of a problem for the global economy the Greek crisis really is because what we witnessed on Tuesday was a gross exaggeration, and with good reason. Obama is concerned about a prolonged crisis in the eurozone because the longer the euro remains weak against the dollar, the longer US exports will suffer. In contrast, German exports are profiting -- they hit record levels in March -- from the euro’s slump. Merkel conveniently fails to mention this whenever addressing the crisis in Greece and other eurozone countries. She talked up the dangers of the Greek situation because she wanted to present a united front with Obama. The German chancellor needs the US president’s support for a second Greek bailout so she can sell the idea to her domestic audience with greater ease.
“The message to those in Europe who recoil at lending Greece more money is -- you're endangering the global economy,” wrote the BBC’s Europe editor Gavin Hewitt on his blog. “It is a heavy hand being played.” In reality though, the message was just heavy handed. Suggesting that Greece’s debt, especially if it has to be restructured, would have a thoroughly destabilizing effect looks unnecessarily alarmist when you examine exactly who holds Greek debt and how much of it they hold.
According to new data from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) German lenders were the biggest foreign owners of Greek government bonds in 2010 with $22.7 billion in holdings. French banks followed with $15 billion. In fact, 96 percent of foreign banks that own Greek debt are European and 69 percent of those are French or German. The European Central Bank owns about 50 billion euros of debt, while Greek banks find themselves in the worst position as they hold about 60 billion euros of state bonds. A restructuring, therefore, would involve a relatively limited number of lenders having to accept lower returns, not losses, on their investment. Although this would have a knock-on effect, it hardly seems like Armageddon for the global economy, especially as these banks have had over a year to recapitalize.
It’s interesting how this pales in comparison with what foreign banks are owed by Ireland, another country that has been bailed out by the European Union and the International Monetary Fund, but which was not mentioned by Obama or Merkel. Overall foreign claims on Ireland, which has about half Greece’s GDP, were three times as high as those on Greece, totaling $462.3 billion, BIS said. This includes household debt (which is low in Greece) as well as government debt. It makes the suggestion that the fate of the world economy rests on what happens in Athens seem risible. Well, at least it would be something to laugh about were it not for the fact that two of the world’s most prominent leaders allowed the Greek sideshow to become the main attraction, thereby drawing attention away from their failure to address the structural flaws that have allowed the global economy to roll towards the precipice.
In Merkel’s case, the fuss about Greece acts as a convenient smokescreen for the glitches in the euro’s architecture, which allowed a country that represents less than 3 percent of the eurozone’s GDP to become such a major factor.
Daniel Gros, the director of the Brussels-based Center for European Policy Studies, explained in an article last week just how this absurd situation came about. “The financial system’s entire regulatory framework was built on the assumption that government debt is risk-free,” he wrote. “This assumption makes sense, however, only when a government issues debt in its own currency; only then can it order its central bank to print enough money to pay its creditors.
“But the countries that adopted the euro can no longer rely on the printing press. They are, instead, effectively borrowing a currency that they cannot individually control. It should thus have been clear that with the start of European Monetary Union (EMU), participating countries’ public debt should no longer have been considered risk-free.”
Of course, this never happened and the result is that the European banking system has become vulnerable to a default because it holds a third of public debt in the EU. The European Commission is now trying to address this issue through its CRDIV proposal.
But if it's structural weaknesses that we want to talk about, then Obama is really our man. He’s the president of a country that is set to match Greece this year by running a deficit of more than 10 percent of GDP and a public debt greater than 100 percent of GDP. But beyond that, there’s an immense irony in the US president’s warning of Greece’s potential danger to the global economy while the dust on the world’s greatest financial crisis -- a catastrophe born and made in the USA -- has not settled.
To put things into perspective, the IMF calculated that banks lost just over $4 trillion during the financial crisis (the majority from US loans and assets) and that another $1.1 trillion was spent to remedy its effects. It is estimated that 8 million jobs in the US alone were lost as a result of the financial crisis. That’s what an “uncontrolled spiral” really looks like.
Furthermore, the fact that the US has done little if anything to address the root causes of the crisis, such as a largely unregulated financial sector and credit agencies that are less than transparent, makes it seem the height of hypocrisy for the leader of that country to express concern about “a whole range of other events” that could be triggered by a Greek default. It is the type of scaremongering and sensationalism that we have come to expect from his opponents. What a shame, we hoped for better.






ekathimerini.com , Saturday June 11, 2011 (16:29)

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Commerzbank Wary of New Greek Bailout, Welt am Sonntag Says

By Richard Weiss - Jun 11, 2011 4:22 PM GMT+0200

Sat Jun 11 14:22:12 GMT 2011




A bailout for Greece including investor participation may hurt confidence in the financial markets, Welt am Sonntag said, citing an interview with Commerzbank AG (CBK) Chief Executive Officer Martin Blessing.
While banks outside of Greece could bear a restructuring of the country’s debt, participation of creditors is “a question of trust,” as investors had been told they need not join any efforts before 2013, the newspaper cites Blessing as saying.
Not standing by this agreement would “not exactly help build trust in the markets,” Blessing said, according to the newspaper.



(Bloomberg)
 
Ciao Mark, credi che il nodo tornerà subito al pettine il prossimo anno e non nel 2013/2014?
Dal prossimo anno, se il piano viene adottata dai greci, non dovremmo stare tranquilli per un pò? D'altra parte anche le recenti previsioni, pur riviste, indicano già a partire dal prossimo anno un ritorno all'avanzo primario.
La situazione è proprio irrecuperabile?

Ciao Tommy, secondo me l'interesse di chi decide sul sostegno finanziario alla Grecia (USA, Germania) è principalmente quello di togliere il rischio Grecia dai mercati finanziari fino a fine 2012, però congelando la situazione attuale in capo ai bondholders.

Per onestà per ora, almeno a giudicare dai rendimenti OTC, non si vedono differenziali di rendimento tali da fare pensare a date prefigurate dal mercato. Voglio dire che il marzo 2012 ed il maggio 2013 hanno il medesimo rendimento, con un differenziale minimo.

Ci sono poi disallineamenti di rendimento fra titoli a scadenza ravvicinata e quindi anomalie nella curva che però mi fanno pensare piuttosto a vendite disordinate che ad altro.

Occorre vedere cosa succederà alla Grecia sul piano macroeconomico e del raggiungimento degli obiettivi fissati dal nuovo piano, diciamo che è molto improbabile un risanamento dei conti.

Ammesso che avvenga, occorrerebbe comunque ridurre il fardello del debito, che con il nuovo piano continuerà a salire, visto che da quello che si capisce l'entità delle cedole non dovrebbe essere neanche ridotta.
 
Banks, Insurers Should Extend Greek Loans, Reynders Tells Morgen

By Peter Chapman - Jun 11, 2011 1:27 PM GMT+0200 Sat Jun 11 11:27:24 GMT 2011




Banks, insurance companies and pension funds should contribute 25 billion euros ($35.9 billion) to the next round of emergency help for Greece by extending existing loans to the debt-plagued country, Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders said in an interview with De Morgen.
The investors are “kindly requested to extend existing loans,” De Morgen quoted Reynders as saying. “Gentle pressure” may be exerted on the investors if necessary, he said, according to the paper.



(Bloomberg)
 
Banks, Insurers Should Extend Greek Loans, Reynders Tells Morgen

By Peter Chapman - Jun 11, 2011 1:27 PM GMT+0200 Sat Jun 11 11:27:24 GMT 2011


Banks, insurance companies and pension funds should contribute 25 billion euros ($35.9 billion) to the next round of emergency help for Greece by extending existing loans to the debt-plagued country, Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders said in an interview with De Morgen.
The investors are “kindly requested to extend existing loans,” De Morgen quoted Reynders as saying. “Gentle pressure” may be exerted on the investors if necessary, he said, according to the paper.

(Bloomberg)

quando dicono quali sono le scadenze che vorrebbero rischedulare o riprofilare, e di quanto ?!
 
Ciao Tommy, secondo me l'interesse di chi decide sul sostegno finanziario alla Grecia (USA, Germania) è principalmente quello di togliere il rischio Grecia dai mercati finanziari fino a fine 2012, però congelando la situazione attuale in capo ai bondholders.

Per onestà per ora, almeno a giudicare dai rendimenti OTC, non si vedono differenziali di rendimento tali da fare pensare a date prefigurate dal mercato. Voglio dire che il marzo 2012 ed il maggio 2013 hanno il medesimo rendimento, con un differenziale minimo.

Ci sono poi disallineamenti di rendimento fra titoli a scadenza ravvicinata e quindi anomalie nella curva che però mi fanno pensare piuttosto a vendite disordinate che ad altro.

Occorre vedere cosa succederà alla Grecia sul piano macroeconomico e del raggiungimento degli obiettivi fissati dal nuovo piano, diciamo che è molto improbabile un risanamento dei conti.

Ammesso che avvenga, occorrerebbe comunque ridurre il fardello del debito, che con il nuovo piano continuerà a salire, visto che da quello che si capisce l'entità delle cedole non dovrebbe essere neanche ridotta.

Il nuovo piano serve solo per guadagnare tempo, su questo sono tutti d'accordo.
Certamente sposterà il peso sempre più dai bondisti verso gli istituzionali. E questo - per noi - è un bene.
Io mi voglio però immaginare una uscita dalla recessione ed una ripresa dell'economia greca in seguito alle riforme e all'apertura dei mercati. In questo caso il guadagnare tempo non sarebbe solo un allungare l'inevitabile evento del default ma una via di uscita verso la ripresa.
E' il mio parere da "tifoso" ...
 
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quando dicono quali sono le scadenze che vorrebbero rischedulare o riprofilare, e di quanto ?!

In teoria sarebbero tutte ... a mio parere basterebbe solo rimodulare le scadenze entro il 2014 lasciando intatte tutte le altre dal 2015 in avanti.
Ma non sono nè Schaeuble nè Trichet ... :lol::lol::lol:.
 
Weidmann against ECB extending Greek bond maturities






Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:44pm EDT

* Does not want to see bond-buying programme 'an institution'
* Says Euro would remain stable even if Greece defaults



BERLIN, June 11 (Reuters) - Germany's central bank opposes extending the maturities of Greek bonds held by the European Central Bank, Bundesbank head Jens Weidmann said in comments released on Saturday.
European officials are closing in on a second bailout for Greece, but the ECB and the German government are at loggerheads over ideas of how to get private investors to contribute.
A variety of mechanisms for so-called "soft restructuring" are on the table, most centring around ways to get private investors to follow the EU and IMF in prolonging existing loans.
Weidmann signalled he was not in favour of doing so with the bonds the ECB has bought under a programme of bond-buying that has supported struggling state borrowers but lain dormant in recent months.
"We are against monetary policymakers taking on the necessary additional financing and accompanying risks," Weidmann, also an ECB Governing Council member, told Welt am Sonntag weekly.
Asked if this meant European central banks should not extend maturities of the Greek bonds they have bought over the past 13 months as part of the ECB's dormant bond-buying programme, Weidmann said: "Correct".
"That would transform the programme, now rightly inactive for two months, from a rather short-term application of support into a lasting institution," he said. "That was never the intention."
Heavily indebted Greece holds it own fate in its hands, Weidmann told the paper, and would have to face the consequences of a default if it did not reform its economy as agreed as part of its bailout terms.
"If the agreements are not met, the basis for further funds from the aid programme disappears. Greece would have made this decision and would have to live with the surely dramatic economic consequences of a default."
"I do not consider this sensible, and it would surely put partner countries in a difficult situation," he added. "But the euro would also remain stable in this situation."
Weidmann said he opposed any forced restructuring of Greece's debt, but would welcome a voluntary solution.
"Creditors should have an interest in stabilisation and be ready to pitch in. But we should not set expectations too high, since at the moment little paper is really held by private creditors outside Greece."



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Grazie, secondo me - esprimo solo un'opinione - il mercato ritiene che fino alla fine del 2012 potrebbe non esserci una situazione tale da imporre perdite a carico dei bondholders.

Che poi questa situazione possa essere qualificata come credit event, dare luogo ad un SD (selective default) corto delle agenzie, questo non lo so dire. Secondo me, se si fa il reprofiling come indicato dai tedeschi, questo sarà selective default per le agenzie, però le conseguenze sui CDS non saranno catastrofiche, bensì modeste.

Qualcosa del genere reprofiling è successo con le agenzie governative del Dubai, lì anche con una riduzione del cedolare sui bond e sui loans bancari, ma l'effetto diretto sui CDS è stato modesto, nonostante si trattasse di un credit event.

Il reprofiling che la Germania sta cercando di mandare avanti, secondo me ha ricevuto un placet dagli USA, vista la concatenazione degli eventi (visita della Merkel da Obama, lettera del Min. Fin tedesco alla BCE immediatamente successiva ai colloqui; posizione del FMI sulla erogazione della quinta tranche emersa con tempi tali da imporre una revisione degli accordi sulla Grecia da condursi prima che negli USA parta l'anno elettorale).

Credo che darà luogo ad un credit event ma senza haircut e senza riduzione del cedolare. Certo, dopo il 2012 il nodo tornerà al pettine , e sarà più grosso di prima, perché il reprofiling, fatto così, congela temporaneamente il problema della ristrutturazione, ma non lo risolve...
Ciao Mark,ma se spostano di 7 anni le scadenze,perchè dici che dopo il 2012 avrebbero problemi?avrebbero 7 anni x migliorare..
 
mi spiace per chi ce l'ha, ma finalmente la 40 va verso il prezzo giusto
ho fatto notare piu' volte quanto fosse senza senso tenere una 40 quando con 2-3 punti in piu' prendevi una 2018 o 2019 con cedola anche piu' alta...ma non si riesce a capire che vendere in loss per switchare non e' un loss
Questo punto di vista mi interessa molto,se io ho un ggba 75 e lo vendo a 43,incasso 33 punti di loss,poi posso anche switchare su qlc altro ma il loss è certificato,perchè dici che lo switc non è un Loss?Grazie
 
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