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Non l'ho letto, ma mi hanno detto che già oggi sul Wall Street Journal c'era un articolo in tal senso: è vero che la Grecia è in bancarotta però ... ma ... forse ... beh ... :D.

http://www.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_kathremote_1_22/06/2011_395493

Mi sono attivato come un segugio e sono riuscito a trovare l'articolo originale del WSJ a cui si fa riferimento nell'articolo del Kathimerini.
Fortunatamente è un breve articolo libero alla consultazione, questo non necessita di abbonamento.
Si vede che l'austerity è tale che al Kathimerini si guardano bene di spendere per l'abbonamento al WSJ per le loro rassegne stampa internazionali e accedono solo ai contenuti liberi :lol:


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Don't Believe These Greek Myths - WSJ.com


JUNE 21, 2011, 2:39 P.M. ET
Don't Believe These Greek Myths

By SIMON NIXON


As the Greek turmoil swirls, some commonly held beliefs are worth debunking:

1. Greece is insolvent.

No, it isn't. As economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff have noted, sovereign defaults are typically about willingness to pay rather than ability to pay. Greece has plenty of assets and huge potential to cut spending, increase tax collection and improve productivity if it is willing to make sacrifices. Rather than solvency, Greece's challenge is whether the changes required are politically possible.

2. It is in Greece's interest to default.

Hardly. The country is still running a large primary deficit, so even if it inflicted 50% "haircuts" on bondholders, it would still need to borrow money immediately or face huge spending cuts overnight to balance the books. Worse, the Greek banking system would collapse as its capital was wiped out and its funding dried up; under European Central Bank rules, Greek government bonds would no longer be eligible as collateral. Nor would it make life easier if Greece tried to leave the euro, since this would likely trigger an immediate run on its banks.

3. A Greek default wouldn't be a Lehman moment.

Even the German government now seems to accept it was too complacent in imagining the market was prepared for a Greek debt restructuring. Despite Angela Merkel's climb-down last week, contagion effects have spread across the euro zone, notably to Spain, where bond yields have risen sharply. Germany's mistake was to consider only first-order effects on bank capital, whereas it would be the second-order contagion effects on government and bank borrowing costs that would do the greatest damage. Lehman was a severe market shock, but a Greek default could trigger a global slump as credit dried up around the world.

4. You can't keep kicking the can.

Yes, you can. Time is a great healer. Even if a Greek default becomes unavoidable, there are good reasons to delay it: partly to encourage Portugal and Ireland to stick to their bailout programs, but more importantly to reassure investors so they keep buying other peripheral European government and bank debt. The euro zone needs to avoid any defaults until countries like Spain and Italy manage to grow their way out of the danger zone. Indeed, much as it may upset German taxpayers, the euro zone may have to continue kicking Greek debt down the road long after 2013.

5. It's all Greece's fault.

Not entirely. Now that the euro zone has accepted it has little option but to bail out Greece again, its objective should be to ensure the bailout works. Yet the euro zone is charging Greece a punitive lending rate—nearly double what the European Financial Stability Facility pays to borrow or what the International Monetary Fund is charging—making Greece's task far harder. This makes no sense. The only sensible way now for the euro zone to minimize moral hazard is to agree to closer political integration. Sooner or later, Europe's leaders will have to face up to this reality.

Write to Simon Nixon at [email protected]
 
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parmi capire che il dflt convenga solo a chi compra CDS senza avere il sottostante (se esiste tale possibilità) - cmq paga un premio ragguardevole 1,5 mln ogni 10 mln all'anno nel caso a 5 anni: chi sa come funzionano esattamente; ho letto che il premio è annuo, dunque nei 5 anni se è a 1500 pago 7,5 mln per essere assicurato per 10 mln - rimane fisso alla stipula senza riadeguamento annuale ?????


siamo sempre li lo strumento è ottimo poi è l'uso che se ne fa che non va bene ......vedilo come i contratti sul grano venivano emessi per proteggere il prezzo del grano e assicurare il contadino in caso di grandinate o altri eventi .....bene sono diventati una cosa di una speculazione assurda e il cds oggi si compra e si vende con una velocità incredibile e penso/temo* ma non ne ho la certezza che sul debito greco come sui subprime ci sia un volume 10/100 volte quello effettivo ti ricordi il sub prime ammontava a 250/500/750mlrd usd non si sa ancora oggi mlrd ma erano stati emessi titoli x diverse migliiaia di mlrd ossia il valore decuplicato ecco la stessa cosa .....devono regolamentarli una volta x tutte.

Quanto ho scritto sui cds è una mia opinione, non nessun tipo di documento o sito a cui fare riferimento x cui potrei benissimo aver preso un abbaglio........sono solo mie considerazioni tenetene conto prima di agire o operare in funzione di quanto ho scritto e tenete conto che l'86.5% del mio portafoglio è investito con una massima diversificazione anche con scadenze su tds italiani 20ennali e 30 ennali, etf , azioni, fondi immobiliari(0.5%piccola parte) il restante 13.55% è investito con un 3.5%in liquidita su cc e un 10% ititoli kfw scadenza 2015. l'ho scritto per ufficilaizzare che anche se ben vedo una situazione catstrofica non sono fuori dal mercato perchè credo che manterrano la situazione sotto controllo!
 
Però accendendo le rotative risolvono la questione ......ma sì l'inflazione ...che venga pure...... tanto se i cinesi voglino vendere la merce o si pigliano moneta inflazionata o la loro merce se la tengono;)

Su questo credo che siamo d'accordo, se ci fosse la volontà politica si potrebbero attaccare le rotative e stampare finché basta.
Il problema però rimane sempre sulle cifre in ballo - un conto è se devi stampare euro per salvare la grecia.
Un altro conto è se devi stampare euro per salvare: Grecia, Irlanda, Portogallo, Spagna, Italia.
A questo punto credo che sarebbero i tedeschi e i francesi a voler mandare a ramengo la moneta unica, non saprei quantificare ma ho l'impressione che ci troveremmo con l'inflazione al galoppo e l'economia - comunque - allo sfacelo :rolleyes:
Sto cercando di figurarmi una possibile via di uscita, è che non ne vedo... :rolleyes:
 
Su questo credo che siamo d'accordo, se ci fosse la volontà politica si potrebbero attaccare le rotative e stampare finché basta.
Il problema però rimane sempre sulle cifre in ballo - un conto è se devi stampare euro per salvare la grecia.
Un altro conto è se devi stampare euro per salvare: Grecia, Irlanda, Portogallo, Spagna, Italia.
A questo punto credo che sarebbero i tedeschi e i francesi a voler mandare a ramengo la moneta unica, non saprei quantificare ma ho l'impressione che ci troveremmo con l'inflazione al galoppo e l'economia - comunque - allo sfacelo :rolleyes:
Sto cercando di figurarmi una possibile via di uscita, è che non ne vedo... :rolleyes:


Capisco cosa vuoi dire ....Weimar crisi e sussulti politico sociali fino all'avvento del nazionalsocialismo..........se gestita bene, presa sul nascere questa situazione avrebbe fatto molto meno danni di quanti ne ha fatti, cmq anche nel caso di una "rotativa selvaggia" visti i buchi che si sono creati non credo che andremmo incontro ad una nuova Weimar europea, il problema sarebbe convincere i francoprussiani..................
e sopratutto capire dove sono andati a finire i guadagni stratosferici fatti da determinate istituzioni e colpirle, il problema poi consiste secondo me essenzialmente nel valutare gli asset tossici sia subprime che ellenici, irlandesi, portoghesi in portafoglio alle istituzioni finanziarie europee sia banche che assicurazioni che stati che fondi pensione ....il vero problema è quello e fino a dove si è disposti ad arrivare e in quanto tempo ........fattore tempo molto importante
 
Ieri la tensione si è fatta nuovamente sentire sui "periferici" anche se il principale imputato è riuscito a dileguarsi.
Ben Bernanke ha messo sull'avviso che la crisi greca può drammaticamente diventare una crisi mondiale: la forza del retail, contrariamente alle solite bastonature cui è destinato, sta proprio nella complessità delle distribuzione dei titoli in mano agli "istituzionali" e all'effetto "incendio" che i nostri GGB possono scatenare.
Il Consiglio dei Ministri ha dato l'avvio, con l'approvazione, al lungo iter per l'approvazione del piano di "Medio Termine" che dovrebbe concludersi verso fine mese. Il successivo passo sarà la riunione straordinaria dell'Eurogruppo per il 3 luglio che dovrebbe ratificare tutto.
La complessa macchina è già in modo, sono stati avviati contatti con le banche che detengono titoli ellenici in portafoglio per il rollaggio. Il compito è affidato ai singoli Ministeri dell'Economia dei vari paesi europei.
La nostra impietosa rassegna ci indica che siamo tutti intorno ai massimi del differenziale sul bund.

Grecia 1404 pb. (1413)
Irlanda 883 pb. (871)
Portogallo 844 pb. (838)
Spagna 259 pb. (253)
Italia 193 pb. (184)
Belgio 118 pb. (117)
 
Fines, not demolition, for illegal homes



In bid to help revenues. environment minister draws up plan to spare properties if owners pay penalty


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Five days after taking over from Tina Birbili at the Environment Ministry, former Finance Minister Giorgos Papaconstantinou has prepared plans to allow owners of illegal homes to pay a fine to protect their home from demolition, a scheme that his predecessor had vehemently opposed.
Kathimerini has seen Papaconstantinou’s blueprint for giving illegally built homes something just short of legal status. Homeowners who pay the fines, the size of which has yet to be set, would protect their properties from the threat of demolition for between 30 and 40 years. The regulations will vary slightly depending on whether the home has been built without a permit or if it has failed to comply with town-planning rules, or both.
The scheme is very similar to the one introduced by the government last year, which allowed homeowners to declare illegally altered parts of their properties, know in Greece as “imiypaithrioi,” to prevent them from penalties for the next 40 years.
In both cases, the government had considered schemes to allow the homes to be made totally legal but the Greek Constitution does not permit it. The imiypaithrioi scheme proved a significant revenue earner for the government but Birbili had opposed the same principle being applied to illegal properties, many of which have been built in wooded areas or forests. Birbili had insisted that those who broke the law so flagrantly should not be let off.
However, the government’s desperate need for revenues <+dash><+roman> which Papaconstantinou knows full well since he was in charge of fiscal policy until last Friday <+dash><+roman> means that the Environment Ministry will now proceed with the scheme, which has been debated by Greek governments since the early 1980s.
It is not yet clear how much homeowners will be asked to pay to protect their properties from further penalties or demolition, but it is likely that the time frame they will be given to submit their paperwork will be six to eight months.






ekathimerini.com , Wednesday June 22, 2011 (22:54)

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Papaconstantinou, ora Ministro dell'Ambiente, trova il modo anche qui per fare "cassa" ...
 
Samaras resolve put to the test



Opposition leader to come under foreign scrutiny over party's refusal to back measures


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New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras is due to come under intense scrutiny over his party’s reluctance to back the latest round of austerity measures in Greece on Thursday when he attends a meeting in Brussels of the European People’s Party, the collection of the continent’s center-right political groups.
Sources said that German Chancellor Angela Merkel may seek to meet Samaras on the sidelines of Thursday’s meeting to discuss his objections to the measures.
Samaras explained why he is opposed to the government’s fiscal policy in an interview with the Financial Times. “They’re asking me to support the same kind of medicine for someone who is dying from that medicine,” he said.
“Liquidity is the top, top, top problem of the economy. Imagine what happens in the real economy when there is no private spending, no government spending and no foreign direct investment. Everything is closing down.”
Samaras is also facing some pressure from his own MPs. Deputy Kyriakos Mitsotakis suggested he would vote for the midterm fiscal plan if the government needs an extra vote for the measures to be passed.
Sources said some conservative MPs were unhappy about having to walk out of Parliament during Tuesday’s vote of confidence debate.
ND’s parliamentary group secretary Costas Tasoulas ordered the lawmakers to leave after Deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos said the PASOK government elected in 1981 was Greece’s first truly freely elected administration.
The MPs came back after Prime Minister George Papandreou acknowledged the role of ND founder Constantine Karamanlis in the return of democracy to Greece following the fall of the military dictatorship in 1974.






ekathimerini.com , Wednesday June 22, 2011 (23:03)

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Come vi dicevo, tutti guardano verso il PASOK, ma i malumori sono tanti per la conduzione della "crisi" da parte di Samaras.
Un deputato ha dichiarato, se serve, voterà a favore del piano di "Medio termine" ;).
 
PASOK MP says he will vote against mid-term fiscal plan



Athanasiadis loss means gov't majority down to four; ND's Mitsotakis offers to step forward if needed


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Just days before a crucial vote in Parliament determines the fate of the government’s midterm fiscal plan, party lines are looking increasingly blurred. Speaking on Skai Television on Wednesday, PASOK MP Alexandros Athanasiadis said that he is not going to vote in favor of the new austerity measures.
Athanasiadis strongly opposes the Socialist party’s plan to sell part of the Public Power Corporation (PPC) and believes that a number of Greece’s state-owned public enterprises, known as DEKO, should not be privatized.
Losing Athanasiadis's vote would mean that the government majority would be cut to four. So far, no other PASOK MPs have expressed any intention to oppose the scheme in next Tuesday's vote.
Also speaking on Skai, New Democracy MP Kyriakos Mitsotakis noted that if the passing of the midterm fiscal plan depended on one vote, his own, he would vote in favor of the new austerity package. “The government has a majority, however,” he said.
According to the Mitsotakis family scion, the dismissal of Giorgos Papaconstantinou from the Finance Ministry points to the government’s failure on the whole. As for the perpetual feuding between the two major parties, PASOK and New Democracy, Mitsotakis noted that the two agree on more than they disagree on.
Meanwhile, Deputy Interior Minister Paris Koukoulopoulos denied that before being given a Cabinet position in last week's reshuffle he had said he would oppose the midterm fiscal plan. He told Skai TV on Wednesday: “I have never stated that I will not vote in favor of the midterm fiscal plan. I’m a member of GENOP [PPC’s worker union] and my proposal would be for 17 percent of the company to be sold to a strategic investor.”






ekathimerini.com , Wednesday June 22, 2011 (23:20)

Un deputato del Pasok ha dichiarato che non voterà il piano di "medio termine".
Bisogna vedere se cambierà idea oppure se si dimetterà per lasciare il posto ad altri (come avvenuto per altri due deputati dissidenti la scorsa settimana) oppure se farà scendere la maggioranza da 155 a 154.
 
PM prepares for next big vote



Finance minister in tough talks with creditors after viability of 3.8 bln euros in measures queried


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Buoyed by a vote of confidence in Parliament early on Wednesday that saw all 155 Socialist MPs rally behind the government, Prime Minister George Papandreou said his administration has what it takes to save the debt-ridden country but that much more must be done as a crucial vote on new austerity measures looms.
Addressing his new Cabinet, Papandreou described the confidence vote, which passed with 155 votes to 143 and two abstentions, as a “reaffirmation of our mandate to continue with a difficult national effort.”
He called on his ministers to continue “a tough battle on the domestic front to put our house in order and at the European Union level to secure funding for our country and make our debt manageable.”
Papandreou, who travels to Brussels on Thursday for a European Union summit where Greece’s debt crisis will be high on the agenda, on Wednesday charged Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos with handling talks with the country’s international creditors on changes to the government’s midterm fiscal program which foresees fresh tax hikes and public spending cuts.
Late on Wednesday, sources said that officials representing Greece’s creditors - the European Union, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund - had expressed doubts about the viability of measures designed to save 3.8 billion euros out of the total 6.4-billion-euro target for this year.
The creditors reportedly proposed the creation of more measures to cover this gap. They are also expected to propose the addition of provisions that Venizelos’s predecessor, George Papaconstantinou, had withdrawn following protests by some MPs.
These include reducing the tax-free threshold for annual income, which is currently 12,000 euros; introducing a levy on property tax - to be calculated based on size and charged through utility bills; and increasing the tax on heating oil.
The talks between Venizelos and top officials of the EU, ECB and IMF are to start today ahead of Tuesday’s vote on the midterm program. The creditors have said the program must be approved before the release of a 12-billion-euro tranche of rescue funding.
The midterm program, opposed by all other parties, has been slammed by some PASOK MPs, though only one, Alexandros Athanasiadis, who reitered on Wednesday that he will vote against it.
This would reduce the government’s majority to four seats.






ekathimerini.com , Wednesday June 22, 2011 (22:52)

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Intanto il governo va avanti ...
 
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