Germans Want Greece Out of Eurozone
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Some in Germany Want Greece to Temporarily Exit the Euro Zone
By JACK EWING AND LIZ ALDERMAN Published: August 10, 2011
FRANKFURT — If the
European debt crisis were an old survival movie, there would be a scene in which the passengers in a lifeboat realize that they don’t have enough food and water for everyone and that someone needs to go over the side. We’re looking at you, Greece.
In fact, that is the sentiment that a growing number of reputable economists and other commentators, particularly from fully liquid Germany, have been expressing lately.
Greece, they say, should leave
the euro zone for its own good, as well as the Continent’s.
Some German economists argue that others in the 17-nation currency union, like Portugal or even Italy, might need to leave as well.
“It is better for all concerned, in particular for Greece, if the country leaves the euro temporarily,” Hans-Werner Sinn, president of the influential Ifo Institute at Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich, wrote in an essay published two weeks ago.
Continuing to throw money at Greece will only reduce incentives for the country to restructure its economy, he and other experts say, while pushing Europe toward a so-called transfer union, where strong countries must prop up weaker ones.
Meanwhile, Germany’s attitudes draw plenty of publicity in Greece and other stricken euro countries, where they
feed stereotypes of arrogant, domineering Germans and stoke the resentments that are already deeply straining European unity.
There is no provision in European Union law for a member to be ejected, according to legal experts. Greece would have to withdraw voluntarily. But if the other countries cut off aid, it may have little choice.
Among European economists outside Germany, the idea that a country should be put under pressure to leave the euro zone
is regarded generally as reckless and cruel. Greek banks would fail, the country would
default on its debt and would lack a credible currency with which to buy essential imported goods like oil or food. The whole euro area, their thinking goes, would suffer as investors feared the disintegration of the currency union and perhaps the European Union itself.
“It’s very risky,” said Silvio Peruzzo, an economist in London for Royal Bank of Scotland. “It would set a precedent for other countries leaving the region. And the market would start to flirt with the idea that the euro as a whole doesn’t make sense.”
But
in Germany, with its embedded fear of inflation and insistence that individuals should suffer the consequences of their actions,
the idea that Greece should just leave is gaining wider currency, even in elite circles.
Otmar Issing, a former chief economist of the European Central Bank and one of the architects of the common currency, has implied that Greece should exit. Asked about his position by e-mail, Mr. Issing answered indirectly, saying that countries that break the rules of monetary union — as Greece did — should have to fend for themselves.
“If a country does not comply with the conditions agreed on, it should not get further financial aid,” he said. “A country which does not get further support has to decide what to do.”
Mr. Issing and Mr. Sinn are both extremely influential, and their thinking provides an intellectual foundation for opinions widely held by ordinary Germans. Chancellor Angela Merkel is facing intense pressure within her own center-right party, some of whose members are pushing for a special party congress to discuss the
debt crisis.
Greeks, meanwhile, are as fed up with Germany as Germans are with Greece. As plumes of tear gas bathed the streets of Athens in June, for example, many protesters said they wanted the drachma back.
“We don’t care about staying in the euro,” said one protester, who gave his name only as Dimitris. “It would be costly, but at least with the drachma we would be able to control our own currency and our own future.”
Greeks have still not forgotten a cover on the German magazine Focus last year, which depicted the Venus de Milo raising a middle finger. “Cheats in our euro family,” said the headline, a reference clearly aimed at Greece.
“People believe Greeks don’t pay our taxes and we don’t want to work,” said Christos Manolas, a Greek businessman. “
That’s a myth perpetuated by the Germans.”
Mr. Manolas cited a study published in June by the French bank Natixis, which found that Greeks and other south Europeans worked more hours than Germans, though the German economy was more productive.
Nor have Greeks let go of the idea that
Germany owes them billions in reparations that were never paid after the brutal Nazi occupation during World War II. “We could pay off half our debts today with those reparations,” Mr. Manolas said, echoing a sentiment often expressed by his fellow citizens.
Among European economists as a whole, the idea that Greece should withdraw from the euro is seen as irresponsible, if not verging on madness. Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the European Central Bank, has called such proposals “absurd.”
Charles Wyplosz, an economics professor at the Graduate Institute in Geneva, said the idea that Greece should spin off was “as silly as could be.”
“It would be the undermining of the euro itself,” he said. “
Nobody's will benefit from that.”(Nobody's ne benficia sempre!
)
The German view is also based on the presumption that the northern European countries have a more virtuous record than those in the south, which has not always been true.
Early in the last decade, Germany’s budget deficit was in violation of treaty limits and its economy was one of the weakest in Europe.
But Mr. Sinn of the Ifo Institute and other German economists argue that countries like Greece will never do what they need to do to fix their economies if others keep bailing them out.
They point out that market pressure in the last week has prompted the Italian government to speed up efforts to remove barriers to entrepreneurship, after years of procrastination.
“We have seen that market pressure via higher interest rates is the most convincing sanction — if not the only one — which will trigger substantial, immediate reform measures,” Mr. Issing wrote.
Economists who say Greece should leave the euro zone acknowledge that Greek banks would probably fail and that the Greek economy would suffer a deep recession.
“Individuals would have to accept a big drop in living standards,” said Matthias Kullas, an economist at the Center for European Policy in Freiburg, Germany. “But the living standard has to fall anyway.”
The benefit would be that Greece would have its own currency and monetary policy and could devalue to recover competitiveness, he said. “It would be a very difficult adjustment process, but afterward, Greece could stand on its own two feet,” he said.
Other countries, like Italy and Portugal, might face pressure to leave the euro zone, too, Mr. Kullas said. “Some countries would suffer, and some would not be able to stay.”
But the result, he argued, would be a currency union with
more integrity.
“Whoever wants to be a member of the euro zone has to follow the rules, and undertake the necessary reforms,” Mr. Kullas said. “For me that would strengthen trust in the euro.”
Liz Alderman reported from Paris.
Discussions about the Greek bond swap plan and the debt buyback procedure are progressing and more details will emerge soon, Charles Dallara, managing director of the Institute of International Finance (IIF), said on Thursday, and he did not rule out the possibility that Greece would meet the target of securing the participation of 90 percent of private bondholders in the process.
