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AAAA47
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cmq ragazzi occhio alla 2013 4%
con la discesa di oggi a 55 chi ha la 2019 6,5% puo' swtichare a costo ZERO (grazie al rateo) verso un biennale
ma anche chi come me ha tante 2014...e' da seguirle perche' se la 2014 dovesse farsi una sparata verso i 52 con una spesa di 3-4 punti si accorcia di un anno...
ovviamente questo non e' un vero swtich visto che bisogna spenderci dei soldini...
pero' se io ci sto dentro alla grecia, e ci credo, spendere 3 punti per ridurre di un terzo la durata lo vedo come un buon investimento
con la discesa di oggi a 55 chi ha la 2019 6,5% puo' swtichare a costo ZERO (grazie al rateo) verso un biennale
ma anche chi come me ha tante 2014...e' da seguirle perche' se la 2014 dovesse farsi una sparata verso i 52 con una spesa di 3-4 punti si accorcia di un anno...
ovviamente questo non e' un vero swtich visto che bisogna spenderci dei soldini...
pero' se io ci sto dentro alla grecia, e ci credo, spendere 3 punti per ridurre di un terzo la durata lo vedo come un buon investimento
tommy271
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Greece - A special case
By Nikos Konstandaras
It is one of life’s bitter lessons that when we read other people’s letters we are not only being rude but we also run the risk of reading something that will upset us. A cable from the US Consulate in Frankfurt to Washington, from December 23, 2009, and which was made public by WikiLeaks, is no exception. It reveals that from that early date, American officials and senior European bankers saw Greece as isolated and probably incapable of adopting the reforms that would help lead it out of the crisis.
In a report on the European economy, in a section titled “Greece -- A special case,” the author notes that senior officials at the European Central Bank saw Greece as a “peripheral” case in the eurozone. ECB board member Juergen Stark, said that Greece’s economic and fiscal position “is and has been a disaster for years.” The country, he added, “lacks the strong institutions and political leadership necessary for maintaining fiscal control.” He pointed to the doubling of public sector wages, unreliable statistics, and the “explosion” of the country’s deficit from 4 to 12 percent of GDP in just a few months. Whereas Ireland’s response to the crisis had been exemplary and helped restore the confidence of the markets, Greece “has done nothing so far,” the report quoted him saying. It noted that the Greek government had no choice but to implement reforms but that this would be “politically difficult” because of the “fragile political situation.”
Sympathy, however, was in short supply. “They had fun, but now is the end of the party,” the cable quoted Stark saying. Jens Dallmeyer, an economist at Deutsche Bank Research, commented: “I cannot remember a country ever as isolated in its peer group as Greece is now in the Eurosystem.”
In Athens, Prime Minister George Papandreou was defending his budget in Parliament, still trying to introduce reforms while sticking to his campaign promises of handouts, after being elected two months earlier with the slogan “there’s money to spend.” At that time, we believed that our partners would support us out of fear that Greece’s collapse would drag down with it other economies, or because they felt the obligation to express solidarity. We did not know then -- five months before Greece signed the bailout deal with its European partners and the IMF -- that in Frankfurt they had no illusions about the situation in Greece.
ekathimerini.com , Friday August 26, 2011 (17:21)
It is one of life’s bitter lessons that when we read other people’s letters we are not only being rude but we also run the risk of reading something that will upset us. A cable from the US Consulate in Frankfurt to Washington, from December 23, 2009, and which was made public by WikiLeaks, is no exception. It reveals that from that early date, American officials and senior European bankers saw Greece as isolated and probably incapable of adopting the reforms that would help lead it out of the crisis.
In a report on the European economy, in a section titled “Greece -- A special case,” the author notes that senior officials at the European Central Bank saw Greece as a “peripheral” case in the eurozone. ECB board member Juergen Stark, said that Greece’s economic and fiscal position “is and has been a disaster for years.” The country, he added, “lacks the strong institutions and political leadership necessary for maintaining fiscal control.” He pointed to the doubling of public sector wages, unreliable statistics, and the “explosion” of the country’s deficit from 4 to 12 percent of GDP in just a few months. Whereas Ireland’s response to the crisis had been exemplary and helped restore the confidence of the markets, Greece “has done nothing so far,” the report quoted him saying. It noted that the Greek government had no choice but to implement reforms but that this would be “politically difficult” because of the “fragile political situation.”
Sympathy, however, was in short supply. “They had fun, but now is the end of the party,” the cable quoted Stark saying. Jens Dallmeyer, an economist at Deutsche Bank Research, commented: “I cannot remember a country ever as isolated in its peer group as Greece is now in the Eurosystem.”
In Athens, Prime Minister George Papandreou was defending his budget in Parliament, still trying to introduce reforms while sticking to his campaign promises of handouts, after being elected two months earlier with the slogan “there’s money to spend.” At that time, we believed that our partners would support us out of fear that Greece’s collapse would drag down with it other economies, or because they felt the obligation to express solidarity. We did not know then -- five months before Greece signed the bailout deal with its European partners and the IMF -- that in Frankfurt they had no illusions about the situation in Greece.
ekathimerini.com , Friday August 26, 2011 (17:21)
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, altrimenti un pensierino ....AAAA47
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e forse anche le altre...visto che molte banche si sono affrettate (vedi news di tommy) a procedere subito alla svalutazione, non avendole piu' in carico a 100, ma a 79, se hanno venduto le 2012 ancora a 85 addirittura hanno fatto gains, e se hanno comprato roba a 50 che poi verra' swappata con roba contabilizzata a 79.....
beh...ora forse avete capito perche' vi dico di cambiare la prospettiva e mettervi nella posizione delle banche
cosi' vedete le cose in modo completamente diverso
noi accorciamo e loro forse allungano..
bosmeld
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AAAA47
Forumer storico
e tu perche' non me la compri?
se hai una 2016-2017-2018-2019, puoi switchare a costo zero (anzi in alcuni casi ci guadagni pure! la 19 la comprano a 50!) e accorciare di diversi anni
frmaoro
il Fankazzista
si infattiun millino non si butta via.
chi si accontenta gode.
bravo
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