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ficodindia

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Certo, il default della Grecia ormai è dato sicuro al 98%, ossia è cosa certa. Ma è proprio così? Di default si parla troppo disinvoltamente senza ponderare le conseguenze, secondo me, finanziariamente e politicamente catastrofiche. I tedeschi sono disinvolti nel diffondere notizie sul probabile e necessario fallimento della Grecia, senza considerare l'effetto domino che un evento del genere con molta probabilità avrà.
Ad esempio, la capitalizzazione di borsa delle banche italiane è arrivata a valori incredibili, 10/20 volte meno del loro valore contabile, solo perchè si teme il rischio del fallimento della Grecia.
Il punto ormai è, appunto, l'effetto domino del fallimento della Grecia, che si tirerà dietro il sistema bancario e giganti finanziari come l'Italia, già in difficoltà per motivi politici interni, comunque aggravata dall'ipotesi del fallimento della Grecia.
Certo la Grecia la faranno fallire, per punirla per la condotta scoretta dei suoi governanti, ma il fallimento della Grecia avrà l'effetto boomerang di far precipitare nella crisi profonda tutta la zona euro, decretando la fine dell'euro stesso.
 
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giub

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This week is likely to provide some of the answers, not just for Greece but for the wider eurozone. International negotiators should return to Athens this week after walking out last week.
People close to the PSI deal argue that the drama of this standoff and the German rhetoric about the possibility of a default is merely designed to persuade Greece to stick to what it has agreed to. “The increased tone is about putting pressure on Greece to deliver,” one person says.
It is also likely to be an important week for other troubled eurozone countries. The 90-day deadlines for possible rating downgrades on Italy and several French banks by Moody’s pass towards the end of this week. “The eurozone crisis is likely to deepen because of the stresses in the markets and the potential threat of downgrades,” says Bill Blain, senior director at Newedge, the London-based broker.
Ironically, Mr Blain says the event many in the market fear – a Greek default – could be the very thing to relieve the pain. “The event most likely to turn around the mood and sentiment would be pulling the rotten tooth. If Greece was to default today, much of the market would probably rally on the ‘thank goodness, it’s finally happened’ surge that would follow. It would solve so many perplexities, like making it Greece’s problem rather than Germany’s.”

Fears of Greek debt default rattle investors - FT.com
 

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se i greci sta notte hanno ricevuto tranche è comica, anche se mi sembra strano francamente.

http://www.dailymarkets.com/forex/20...ek-aid-likely/


si dice che funzionario dell'Imf ritengano probabile l'arrivo della tranche alla grecia verso fine mese.


domanda:

oggi sono tornati i funzionari della troika in grecia?

Lo sai che oggi ci avevo buttato un'occhio sull'oro, indipendentemente da questi rumors.
Ed effettivamente mi era sembrata l'unica nota stonata del mercato.
 

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How To Profit From A Greek Default

No matter how much money is thrown at it, Greece can’t seem to solve its problems. The European Commission recently predicted that its deficit would reach 9.7% of GDP compared to the country’s own 7.6% projection this year. These revelations led its credit default swaps to hit yet another record high of nearly 4,000 basis points during the overnight session. So, how can investors profit from this situation?
Short the Euro, but It’s a Little Risky
The natural response to problems in the eurozone is to short-sell the euro. This is traditionally accomplished by borrowing a set number of euros, selling them for U.S. dollars or another currency, and then repurchasing the euros to repay the loan at some point in the future. Hopefully, the price will have decreased and the investor can profit from the spread.
There are two key problems with this strategy today:

  1. The Swiss franc used to be the gold standard to play against the euro, but the government recently decided to impose a ceiling on its valuation. That leaves the Japanese yen as a safe-haven currency, which also has a history of interventions and its own debt problems.
  2. The European Central Bank (ECB) is more likely than ever to print currency to prevent a default and preserve the fiscal union and intervene. After Jurgen Stark resigned from his position, the bank now has very few hawks that oppose very liberal monetary policy.
The easiest way to short-sell the euro is to buy the ProShares UltraShort Euro ETF (EUO). Since last Thursday, this ETF is already trading up nearly 7% and that could go a lot higher if problems continue. Another popular ETN is the Market Vectors Double Short Euro ETN (DRR), which is also trading up around 6.7% over the time period.
Investors can also short-sell the following long euro ETFs:

  • CurrencyShares Euro Trust (FXE)
  • WisdomTree Dreyfus Euro (EU)
  • Ultra Euro ProShares (ULE)
  • Market Vectors Double Long Euro ETN (URR)
Bet on the Decline of European Banks
With their exposure to Greek debt, European banks are also facing significant risks. In fact, French banks like BNP Paribas SA (BNOBF.PK), Societe Generale SA (SCGLF.PK) and Credit Agricole SA (CRARF.PK) have fallen more than 40% on such concerns over the past quarter. These French banks and others are said to have some $56.7 billion in exposure to private and public debt related to Greece.
Investors looking for broad exposure to these banks may want to consider these ETFs:

  • iShares S&P Global Financials (IXG)
  • SPDR Euro STOXX 50 (FEZ)
  • iShares MSCI United Kingdom (EWU)
  • SPDR S&P International Finance (IPF)
  • iShares S&P Financials Index (EUFN)
  • iShares MSCI ACWI ex-US Financials Index (AXFN)
Of course, some investors argue that the downside may already be priced in to some of these banking sectors. As a result, more cautious investors could also consider writing put options against their long-term bearish positions to help offset the costs.
Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours.
 

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This week is likely to provide some of the answers, not just for Greece but for the wider eurozone. International negotiators should return to Athens this week after walking out last week.
People close to the PSI deal argue that the drama of this standoff and the German rhetoric about the possibility of a default is merely designed to persuade Greece to stick to what it has agreed to. “The increased tone is about putting pressure on Greece to deliver,” one person says.
It is also likely to be an important week for other troubled eurozone countries. The 90-day deadlines for possible rating downgrades on Italy and several French banks by Moody’s pass towards the end of this week. “The eurozone crisis is likely to deepen because of the stresses in the markets and the potential threat of downgrades,” says Bill Blain, senior director at Newedge, the London-based broker.
Ironically, Mr Blain says the event many in the market fear – a Greek default – could be the very thing to relieve the pain. “The event most likely to turn around the mood and sentiment would be pulling the rotten tooth. If Greece was to default today, much of the market would probably rally on the ‘thank goodness, it’s finally happened’ surge that would follow. It would solve so many perplexities, like making it Greece’s problem rather than Germany’s.”

Fears of Greek debt default rattle investors - FT.com



Paradossalmente credo anche io.
Con queste perdite ora il mercato si sta mettendo a pari e scontando anche un default pesante Greco e le sue ripercussioni soprattutto nei ptf delle banche Francesi, che infatti stanno avendo la peggio in questa fase.
Quello su cui veramente si interroga il mercato è, se la Grecia fallisce, che succede allo spread degli altri piigs, quelli che stavano faticosamente migliorando e soprattutto le nuove pericolosissime new entry in zona calda, Spagna e su tutti Italia? Questa è la domanda....
Se per assurdo la Grecia fosse lasciata fallire ma immediatamente la BCE fosse in denaro a raccogliere lo tsunami (come dice qualcuno ;) ) di vendite degli altri piigs, ma roba grossa, dovrebbe agire in stile Fed, allora il mercato presto si tranquillizzerebbe. Ma come sarebbe possibile un simile cambiamento di politica? Con quali risorse se non si stampa? Con i fondi EFSF non ancora raccolti in quantità adeguate e non ancora autorizzati dai parlamenti a tale scopo? E soprattutto perchè dopo misure eroiche e prima mille resistenze? Perchè per la Grecia no un QE? Figli e figliastri? L'agnello sacrificale da immolare al pubblico ludibrio dei popoli nordici? In quale grande casino ci hanno ficcato a tutti. Sono stati capaci di mandare nuovamente tutto l'occidente in recessione.
 

frmaoro

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Forexpros - futures sull'oro esteso le perdite taglienti Lunedi, come il porto sicuro appeal del metallo prezioso è stato ridotto dopo che funzionari del Fondo Monetario Internazionale ha detto la Grecia era suscettibile di ricevere la sua nuova tranche di aiuti a fine mese.
 

g.ln

Triplo Panico: comprare
Tranche alla Grecia entro fine mese!

""Forexpros – Gold futures extended sharp losses on Monday, as the safe haven appeal of the precious metal was reduced after International Monetary Fund officials said Greece was likely to receive its next tranche of aid later this month.""

In effetti non c'è bisogno del traduttore: entro fine mese la Grecia "dovrebbe" (il condizionale è mio per prudenza) ricevere la tranche promessa. Se la notizia fosse confermata, insieme a quella dell'acquisto di quote significative di BTP italiani da parte della Cina, domani si dovrebbe risalire....e anche benino. :)
Buonanotte, Giuseppe
 
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